Bush executed innocent man! DNA proves it - Rachel Maddow

[NuclearDem]

Run time: 10:15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NUX9eTuPjI   Posted on YouTube: November 13, 2010 By YouTube Member: goog2k Views on YouTube: 409   Posted on DU: November 15, 2010 By DU Member: NuclearDem Views on DU: 2269

 
Just one more drop of innocent blood on Bush's hands...

[BrklynLiberal]

1. Most certainly not the only one..merely the final one....

but the succeeding governor has continued the streak.

[veganlush]

2. it proved no such thing.

And the guy was a murderer anyway, not an innocent man.

[thereismore]

7. Explain please. nt

[veganlush]

13. If i have a hair on my person that's not mine, and someone comes up and shoots me and the hair is

..likewise not theirs, it doesn't mean they didn't shoot me...it just means it's someone else's hair. It wasn't the only evidence in this case, although it was the only physical evidence. The prosecution was wrong to say it was his, but that fact that it wasn't proves nothing. He was a piece of shit anyway.






http://www.skepticaljuror.com/2010/06/surprising-case-of-despicable-claude.html



In November 1989, Jones entered Zell's liquor store in Point Blank and asked the owner, Allen Hilzendager, to retrieve a bottle for him. As Hilzendager turned to get the bottle, Jones shot him three times with a .357 Magnum revolver. Jones took $900 from the cash register and fled in a getaway vehicle waiting outside. Waiting in the car were Jones' two accomplices, Kerry Daniel Dixon Jr. and Timothy Mark Jordan.

Three days later, the trio robbed a bank in Humble, Texas, obtaining $14,000 in loot. ... About three weeks after the liquor store robbery, Jones was arrested in Florida for bank robbery.

Jones ... had eleven prior convictions in Texas for crimes including murder, armed robbery, assault, and burglary. ... In 1976, he was convicted of murder, robbery, and assault in Kansas and received a life sentence. While in Kansas prison, Jones killed another inmate. He was paroled in 1984.

Kerry Dixon also had a lengthy prior record that included murder and two prison terms.

The evidence at Jones' trial was conclusive. A number of witnesses placed Jones at the scene of the crime, including Leon Goodson, who heard the shots and watched Jones leave the liquor store. A strand of Jones' hair was found at the murder scene. Also, Timothy Jordan testified against his partners in crime.

Jones was convicted of capital murder and received the death sentence. Dixon was convicted of murder and received a 60-year prison term. Jordan received a 10-year prison term.

[NuclearDem]

14. Except it's something called "reasonable doubt"

When the only shred of physical evidence in a case where someone has been sentenced to death comes into question, it should cause enough doubt in the case to stay the execution, or even move for a retrial.

And I didn't realize being a POS was a capital offense. Or that we could just ignore someone's wrongful execution because "eh, he was a bad guy anyway" :eyes:

[Moonbat2]

15. Absolutely

and if it makes Bush look bad then Jones was like a father figure to me. Right?

[NuclearDem]

16. I didn't say you had to like the guy

I just said when someone's life is on the line, he should be given every avenue to attempt to prove his innocence.

No matter someone's crime, no one on Earth deserves the death penalty.

[TheEuclideanOne]

21. No one on earth deserves the death penalty?

Then why are we even having this conversation? If you believe that, than it is a pointless exchange of points. Regardless of the logic of how heinous were the crimes committed, evidence, etc, your conclusion will always be the same. I am not trying to disrespect your opinion, and I do have friends who are also against the death penalty under any condition, but it just seems like a waste of time, IMHO.

So, let me throw this question out at you..... if you do not put him to death, and he kills again, are your responsible?

[NuclearDem]

22. That's why we have life in prison without the possibility of parole

I don't believe in the death penalty because taking away one life won't bring the victims back. It's a sad state when our collective will in the government says that we're out for blood, and that's how we want to remember the victims--through more death.

[veganlush]

25. he once doused a man with lighter fluid

and burned him alive

[24601]

31. No, the standard isn't any doubt or a shred of a doubt, but instead

it's reasonable doubt.

INSTRUCTIONS UPHELD TODAY from Sandoval v. California (1994): "Reasonable doubt is defined as follows: It is not a mere possible doubt; because everything relating to human affairs, and depending on moral evidence, is open to some possible or imaginary doubt. It is that state of the case which, after the entire comparison and consideration of all the evidence,leaves the minds of the jurors in that condition that they cannot say they feel an abiding conviction, to a moral certainty, of the truth of the charge."

FOUND UNCONSTITUTIONAL: 1990 Cage v. Louisiana (1990): "Even where the evidence demonstrates a probability of guilt, if it does not establish such guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, you must acquit the accused. This doubt, however, must be a reasonable one; that is one that is founded upon a real tangible substantial basis and not upon mere caprice or conjuncture. It must be such doubt as would give rise to a grave uncertainty, raised in your mind by reasons of the unsatisfactory character of the evidence orlack thereof. A reasonable doubt is not a mere possible doubt. It is an actual substantial doubt. It is a doubt that a reasonable man can seriously entertain. What is required is not an absolute or mathematical certainty, but a moral certainty."

A DIFFERENT APPROACH Proposed by the Federal Judicial Center, the research arm of the Federal judiciary: "Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is proof that leaves you firmly convinced of the defendant's guilt. There are very few things in this world that we know with absolute certainty, and in criminal cases the law does not require proof that overcomes every possible doubt. If, based on your consideration of the evidence, you are firmly convinced that the defendant is guilty of the crime charged, you must find him guilty. If on the other hand, you think there is a real possibility that he is not guilty, you must give him the benefit of the doubt and find him not guilty."

Copyright 1994 The New York Times Company (http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cri09.htm)

[TheEuclideanOne]

18. So, does that mean you should be executed too?

If an innocent man is killed and you condone it, doesn't that make you a POS too?

The way I see it, if that hair is used as the primary point of evidence and it is proven to be completely invalid, then without it, he would not have been put to death. While I do agree that he sounds like a real POS, that is a slippery slope you want to go down. If you follow your logic, you could have skipped the whole trial and put him to death much earlier. Who needs that stinkin evidence, right? Sometimes it just gets in the way. I am sure that "W" would totally agree with your decision as well.

[veganlush]

28. if the prosecution

would have worked with the case they had, without the hair, and with the defendant's extensive record, he probably would have been convicted anyway.

[TheEuclideanOne]

30. You may be right. Who knows for sure.

After all, the other guys were convicted without the hair as far as I know.

[LawnLover]

26. A few things to consider:

1. He may well have been a POS, but that doesn't mean he's a murderer.

2. Eyewitnesses are NOTORIOUSLY unreliable.

3. Jordan received a 10-year sentence, why? Because he testified against Jones. That puts his testimony in question.

4. The hair was used as evidence against Jones and was obviously not his. That single hair may have swayed the jury. We don't know.

The least he deserved was a stay of execution and a new trial.

But I wouldn't blame Bush for this. He apparently was not told about the request for a DNA test. Rachel talks about that in her report. Had he been told he may well have granted this guy a stay. He supported DNA testing.

[LaPera]

12. Bush's actions & lies tortured & killed many, many innocent human beings of all ages and gender!!

All for money, pleasure & ego!

[activa8tr]

17. You are going to trust Bush to sign off, and you are going to give us each and every

piece of information on this case, or you are just going to sleep well tonight because you posted your opinion here without a single fact. Too much HARD WORK??? OKAY!!!!!!!!!

[veganlush]

27. right here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=525514&mesg_id=525587

[damntexdem]

3. And sent thousands of Americans and tens (hundreds?) of thousands of Iraqis to their deaths.

He's a criminal coming and going.

[rhett o rick]

4. Why wont Rachel say the word? Why wont she just say S O C I O P A T H ? nm

[Charleston Chew]

5. Capital Punishment is Flawed.

"GW Bush Executed Innocent Man?"
November 12, 2010

It only took an inch of hair to sentence a Texan criminal to death for a crime he may not have committed. Now, years later, DNA tests showed that the hair didn't belong to him and was actually so short that it was never suitable as evidence anyway.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x524943

[Rhiannon12866]

6. K&R! Wow! How bad can it get?!

Thanks for posting this... :(

[LaPera]

8. Bush was born a psychopath - He killed via the state allowed torcher & mass killing through his wars

Bush is a sick individual and most likely would of been some kind of serial killer much like Ted Bundy if he wasn't so visible and in the public eye....So Bush had to get his killing kicks "legally" to feed his sickness - I'm sure Bush has every torturer tape made, getting off on them - Now Bush is just a frustrated simple-minded bored lying old sick psychopath, a has been.... with no outlet anymore for his personal touch for his sickness.

[sasquuatch55]

11. Exactally why his pairing up with Cheney worked out so well(?)

nt

[24601]

34. Most you have never lived in both Texas and Maryland. It's quite

a difference because Maryland has the strongest governor constitutionally while Texas has the weakest. In Maryland for example, the legislature cannot increase spending over the governor's submitted budget - they can only reduce it.

In Texas, real power is concentrated with the Lt. Governor who appoints Senate Committees & assigns Bills. The Governor cannot even commute a death sentence or pardon the individual without first having that recommendation from the board of pardons who, once appointed, serve fixed six year terms shorter if they are filling out the term of a former member.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

9. So Bush decided executions based on Cliff Notes?

Shocker. Much the same way he decided to invade Iraq

"Ah'm not a big reader"
-George W Bush

[activa8tr]

19. Aside from My Pet Goat, not a reader at all.

[defendandprotect]

10. Only people who are INFALLIBLE should have the power of executing any one!!

We learned that a long time ago --

and, Bush sure ain't!!

[activa8tr]

20. In all my years on this planet, (and it's more than most here) I have never met

those "infallible" people... not a single one!

[Township75]

23. That video didn't say anything about him being innocent.

I am against the death penalty even if someone is guilty. That video didn't do anything to show Bush let an innocent man get executed. It showed a physical piece of evidence linking him to the crime scene did not belong to the convicted. OK. What was the other evidence? There may have been other physical evidence. What did this guy say to the police?

I also don't get how this is Bush's fault if the lawyers omitted it from the reports. Is it just a matter of finding a story and working your way to Bush Is Evil?

[Hoopla Phil]

24. The Governor of Texas does NOT have the power to stop an execution.

Used to decades ago but no more. The only thing a Governor can do is delay it but even that has limits.

[Independem]

29. Bush: Texas Biggest Serial Killer

Bush: Texas Biggest Serial Killer


Please, Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, don't kill me

http://www.texecutions.com/

[Hoopla Phil]

32. That's cute but the fact stands. Texas Governors cannot stop an execution.

They could a long time ago but that is not the case any longer.

:toast:

[Lil Missy]

33. There is no proof he was innocent.