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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:06 PM
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Military Spending Will Ruin Us
 
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If anything needs to be cut it is war spending. Pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan and don't buy fighter jets that can't fly in the rain.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:14 PM
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1. It already has ruined us.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 03:07 AM
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4. That was my thought too
fuck these war mongering greedy pentagon fucks - war is ALWAYS about money and power. it's not about bin laden, it's not about helping the afghan people - just ask the Iraqi's how well we "helped" them - those that are still alive that is. Make love - FUCK WAR!
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southmost Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 12:39 AM
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2. this should go in the 'no-shit-sherlock' files
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 01:31 AM
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3. Even Eisenhower warned of this 50 years ago.
It is not just the spending but the cabal that perpetuates this senseless waste year after year.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 03:31 AM
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5. Chisox08
Chisox08

Rembember, it was the extreme military spending that broke the back of the USSR in the 1970/1980s.. More than 1/3 of all public spending was on military hardware the last 20 year of USSR existence... It was also political and etnic troubles who, in the end blow the USSR wide open, but the economical trouble USSR was in, before the first part of the 1970s, ended in ruin in 1991...

And now it looks like USA is going down the same road, but in the belif that USA would never end up in the same gallows as USSR did when the economical back got broken.... And are spending, more and more and more on military hardware, who is waste of ressourses and money.. Yes they are in many cases really cooooooooooool to look at, and is full of amazing hardware and software. But when a fighter cost more than most smal country's can afford for a whole Airforce....

Even your former President Eisenhower warned against the indusrial-military complex, more than 50 year ago. Today mutch of the warning he was making (more or less as a profet I would say) is making US more or less a ruin to say at least. A lot of wars, and more than 700 military bases all over the world, are also making a dent on the public coffins I would say...

I hope USA would not end up as USSR did, a broke, multietnic country, who was tearing itself appart by different oppinion. And even tho, USSR ended pretty easy compared to what can become of USA, when USA might blow up

Diclotican
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 08:07 AM
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7. Sadly, and frighteningly, right on target...
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 01:01 PM
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8. BrklynLiberal
BrklynLiberal

And the bad part, is that we can see it, look at it, and not stop the traincrash..

The F35, the US more or less pushed over to its allies in Western Europe this days, is the most complex, and most expensive ever produced from Locheed Martin. And it cost a lot more than any one fighter ever used in most of the country we are talking about.. GB and a few others are desiding if they want that equipment at all, Mostly becouse the cost are going astronomical. And some in US, is moamng about the astronomical prize too.. Some want the aircraft scraped all togheter, and replaced by F22... Who doubtfull wil ever be exported to others anytime soon.. it is to adwanced.. Even tho it wil reduce the cost of the aircraft overall... But I belive that in a decade or so, most of the secrets of the F22 is more or less known by the advisaries the US wil confront anyway.. Russia and a few others are working on the subject, and in a decade or so, even Japan would have their own Stealth Figther, as the "secrets" of Stealth is not near a secret anymore. The theory behind Stealt is in fact dating back to 1903, when a russian sientist, and mathematician was making some theory about Stealth.. But the erly 1900 was rather turbulent in Russia, and the theory died with the sientist for the most part... And was "discovered" again in the 1950s, and then used to build some interesting aircrafts over the decades..

But again, US can stop the madness they are on, if they want. The sad part, the scary part is that I fear that no one in power wil dear to do the right thing.. To close down a lot of military bases around the world, and to get the US soldiers home from Iraq and Afghanistan. It wil be like killing yourself publicy with the extreme right in the Kongress, and would bee seen as fact as soft on terror.. Even tho US can not afford the wars they are currently in.. In the cold war, when US had a solid industry, and an economy solid as rock, then US could face two major wars, and have hope of winning.. Today the industry is been moved to China and other country's, and the economy are more or less in ruins, with billions in debt, a debt US are more or less uable to ever pay back. What I fear, is that one day, near in future, the US would devaluate her Dollar, and the whole economical system we have build up since world war two, wil if not ruin itself, at least risk a lot of damage, with the result that the trust the US dollar have had as the One currency everyone could agree on was the best one, could falter... And US dollar be just one of many valutas in the world, not the One as it have been, more or less since 1945... When Pund Sterling was devaluated in 1948, the DOllar got its power as the reserve currency everyone could have, to safeguard their own valutas.. Today the whole thing is unstable, and it could end up in chaos, if all the worst fact is coming to light...

And now US wil wait to 2014 to leave Afghanistan, the same with NATO.. Afghanistan have been the graveyard for empires for tousands of year, the few empires who have subjiacted them, have been using metodes who are not acceptable today.. The Mongols, the Greeks under Alexander The great, and later ones, under the arabic leaders, was all using metodes who was extremely brutal, where whole parts of the country was killed off, to the last man and woman.. I doubt that NATO and US can accept that type of metodes to stop Taliban from taking control over the area again.. It is just imposble to win it, at current. And we can not even trust Karzai to mutch, as he is playing both sides, taking money, and other things from everyone who want to give him it. How many millions mr Karzai have been given by both sides I do not know. But I belive him to be a rather wealthy man now.. And he is the best hope for Afghanistan, as many, or most of the others, is far worse... Men who have been killing, and murdering for all their grown up life, and who is psycopats by nature.. Compared to them, mr Karzai is a rather kind and gentle man....

Diclotican

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 02:43 PM
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9. ...
:scared: :cry:
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 07:10 AM
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10.  BrklynLiberal
BrklynLiberal

I agree:puke: :cry:

Diclotican
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 04:17 AM
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6. K&R Excellent analysis.
I've read quite a bit about this. (See Chalmers Johnson's books.) But when I read the numbers of troops in, say Germany, I was horrified. We are spread far too thin.

Germany has a thriving industrial sector. We can't make socks or toothpaste or even our own knitting yarn. Yet our troops insure German sovereignty. Why not let some of these mature democracies take responsibility for their own defense? I've lived in Germany. The Germans do not need quite so many of our troops in their country.

Remember, we pay for the privilege of housing our troops, our military installations in these countries. It's stupid on our part. We need to look at the world as it is today. But we aren't. We imagine the world as it was 70 years ago. Things have changed here. They have also changed in other countries.

We cannot afford our overextended military. And it is not needed at this time.
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