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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 10:50 PM
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King's Plan To Overturn Birthright Citizenship
 
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 10:58 PM
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1. Go For It
Flash Forward:

November 6, 2012

Chuck Todd: Our exit poll shows President Obama with 80% of the Latino vote, the highest recorded percentage in presidential election history.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:26 AM
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2. What an idiot...
Edited on Sat Nov-20-10 12:32 AM by rasputin1952
This would take amending the Constitution, essentially taking out the first sentence of Section 1:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State in which they reside."

As far as Native American citizenship, it has been a very rocky road, w/a lot of anomalies:

The Severality Dawes Act (1887):

"And every Indian born within the territorial limits of the United States to whom allotments shall have been made under the provisions of this act, or under any law or treaty, and every Indian born within the territorial limits of the United States who has voluntarily taken up, within said limits, his residence separate and apart from any tribe of Indians therein, and has adopted the habits of civilized life, is hereby declared to be a citizen of the United States, and is entitled to all the rights, privileges and immunities of such citizens..."
— Language from the Dawes Act.

The Dawes Act would be the most important method of acquiring citizenship for the Indians prior to 1924. The Dawes Act tied Indian citizenship to "the ultimate proof of civilization" — individual ownership of property. The American Indian became an American citizen as soon as he received his allotment. The Act also declared that Indians could become citizens if they had separated from their tribes and adopted the ways of "civilized" life, without ending their rights to tribal or other property. In a sense, the American Indian could maintain dual citizenship tribal and American.


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The supporters of the Dawes Act not only wanted to destroy the Indian tribal loyalties and the reservation system but also to open up the reservation lands to white settlement.

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Congress, as a result, enacted legislation on November 6, 1919, granting citizenship to Indian veterans of World War I who were not yet citizens.

"BE IT ENACTED . . . that every American Indian who served in the Military or Naval Establishments of the United States during the war against the Imperial German Government, and who has received or who shall hereafter receive an honorable discharge, if not now a citizen and if he so desires, shall, on proof of such discharge and after proper identification before a court of competent jurisdiction, and without other examination except as prescribed by said court, be granted full citizenship with all the privileges pertaining thereto, without in any manner impairing or otherwise affecting the property rights, individuals or tribal, of any such Indian or his interest in tribal or other Indian property."

The 1919 American Indian Citizenship Act did not grant automatic citizenship to American Indian veterans who received an honorable discharge. The Act merely authorized those American Indian veterans who wanted to become American citizens to apply for and be granted citizenship. Few Indians actually followed through on the process, but it was another step towards citizenship.


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the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 proclaimed:

"BE IT ENACTED by the Senate and house of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all non citizen Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States be, and they are hereby, declared to be citizens of the United States: Provided That the granting of such citizenship shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of any Indian to tribal or other property. (Approved June 2, 1924)"

Italics cited source: http://www.nebraskastudies.org/0700/frameset_reset.html?http://www.nebraskastudies.org/0700/stories/0701_0140.html

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The cited section above is the language of the time, not of today.

So, citizenship was not officially enacted fully for Native Americans until 1924. At that point, a portion of Native Americans refused citizenship or recanted their citizenship.

Basically, Native Americans have had a rough road to travel, and received citizenship 4 years after women were granted suffrage, (that's a whole 'nother story).




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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 10:18 AM
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8. I love how he's not afraid of the Supreme Court.
He knows they have a 5 to 4 conservative majority. He knows that Scalia and his minions would absolutely support his scheme. Hell, they'd probably open it up wide, and take citizenship AWAY from native Americans again.

Grrrrr.

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independentsrule Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:46 AM
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3. King's horrible...
King's horrible and so is Fox News for trying to promote this view.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 12:49 AM
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4. Problem is that people born in the United States even of illegal
aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States in my view.

They can be brought before a federal court, can they not?
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 06:46 AM
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5. So . . . what would be the requirements for becoming a citizen?
No, let me guess . . . you have to BUY citizenship. Only people with lots of money get full citizenship. Yeah, that sounds like a Republican idea.
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MODem75 Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 08:54 AM
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6. Racist.
I bet most of these racist teabaggers would be happy with some sort of "Final Solution" for all non-white people.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 09:35 AM
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7. I wonder how many degrees of legal
separation there are between denying citizenship to some people born here and taking it away from others?
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WhoIsNumberNone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 03:52 PM
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9. So in other words
He wants to change the law, and leave it to his opponents to convince the Republican Supreme Court that it's unconstitutional? Completely shifts the burden, doesn't it?

I've never been a fan of the "anchor baby" proviso, and I wouldn't object if it were changed to cover only people who were residing in the country legally, but doing it the way he suggests sets a precedent that is wide open to abuse in the (very near) future- Like say, starting January 21st 2012 if the Republicans have another big win.
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