2004 Dodge Pickup Runs on 100% Water

[DearAbby]

Run time: 14:32 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py8QYt54EpE   Posted on YouTube: August 17, 2010 By YouTube Member: PESNetwork Views on YouTube: 51542   Posted on DU: November 20, 2010 By DU Member: DearAbby Views on DU: 1080

 
Inventor Frederick W. Wood, and his associate, David Seigler, from Future Energy Concepts, Inc., give a video tour of the pickup truck that they claim to have converted to run on 100% water

[jberryhill]

1. Where do they wan suckers to send the "investment" checks?

[physioex]

2. Yes......

I have a bridge for sale myself.

[Agent William]

6. I wouldn't dismiss this yet

Their system is legitimate. They use an electrolysis vessel that breaks Hydrogen off the water, and Hydrogen will work just fine in any internal combustion engine. The only thing that it a bit iffy is the fact that they are able to create such a big head of hydrogen in a few minutes. Other than that, there is no reason this isn't real. Believe me,I've scene inventors claim that they can just dump water into the fuel tank and away they go... that would be a scam, but this is really on using a known gas as fuel.

[bullimiami]

9. The problem is that it typically takes more energy to break the water than you get out in hydrogen.

[jberryhill]

13. Not just "typically" - that's how molecules work /nf

[jberryhill]

15. "They use an electrolysis vessel that breaks Hydrogen off the water"

Yes. And it takes as much energy to do that as you get back by burning the hydrogen. As a practical matter neither the cell or the engine are 100% efficient.

So, what do you suppose is powering the electrolysis cell?

[bullimiami]

20. thats the question. I suppose solar or nuclear and an argument could be made in favor.

or Mr Fusion of course.

[realisticphish]

3. I look forward to their paper in a major engineering or physics journal

...what? No? Just a video on YouTube? A video that shows them driving around while you look at a PSI gauge? SIGN ME UP!!!

It's also amusing that they make a big damn deal about the car's performance. WHO GIVES A SHIT. The important part would be the apparently energy-input free hydrogen extraction methodology. That alone would be worth billions or trillions of dollars, and would be world-changing.

But we didn't see that, did we. We saw a truck driving around. With an amp meter and a pressure gauge soldering onto a plate with some knobs off of a stereo receiver, and screwed onto the console.

[silverojo]

4. I love the skeptics around here

They said their plans are available for free on their website, so that anybody can do this experiment. It's not like they're selling the plans, at this point. Did you skeptics try this on a vehicle of your own, and make an informed, scientific judgment for yourselves, before pissing on the idea? No? I didn't think so. You just sat there for 15 minutes, and made a snap judgment with no experimentation of your own to disprove what these guys were doing.

Also, inventors don't just get published in scientific journals at the drop of a hat. The guys, themselves, said that they're still in the process of perfecting this technology. They even invite people to visit them, so it's not like they're using smoke and mirrors to hide the truth about what they're doing.

And what's wrong with posting a video to YouTube? How else are they going to show people what they're doing--by sending out psychic visions? They're not just looking for investors, they're inviting other people to do this experiment on their own, for free, to help reduce consumption of fossil fuels. In this respect, the concept is very similar to open source software--anybody, anywhere, is invited to experiment, contribute knowledge, and strive to make the project work better.

IMHO, you're just hating on this project because this is being done in "evil" Arizona. They may have rich Republicans and rotten lawmakers, but there are also lots of forward-thinking Democrats and Independents who find Jan Brewer appalling. Hating all Arizonans is just as stupid a prejudice as racism.

[DearAbby]

7. Indeed

They are open now for anyone to make one for their own vehicle, granted it still is in the experimental stages.

[jberryhill]

14. Do you investigate every Nigerian widow who wants to send you money?

Or did you figure out after a while that there was something else going on?

Google is your friend - try "car that runs on water"

Instead of a car, why don't they use the engine to run, say, an electric generator?

It seems pretty foolish for them to drive around while paying the electric company to power their house.

The reason why burning hydrogen makes energy when it burns is because it is combining with oxygen to make water molecules. In order to break apart a water molecule, you need exactly as much energy as was produced when the hydrogen and oxygen combined to make that water molecule. You don't get a net gain by taking apart water molecules and putting them back together again.

If the skeptics are just stupid, what does it matter? These guys built this one, and so can any other mechanic. Before long, this will spread like wildfire, and nobody's skeptical attitude can stop that.

So, come back in a few months and laugh at how dumb we are.

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

16. it's not a fraud, it just is not energy efficient

So don't equate the two, it is dishonest. These people are experimenting, not trying to sucker people for their money. I realize you want to make yourself look very intelligent (don't worry, you did a fine job) but this isn't fraud.

This type of experimentation by American citizenry should be encouraged at every opportunity, not mocked by bored dilletantes on the inter-tubes. Is this engine the green technological "breakthrough" we have been so desperate for? Nope, not really, but is damn encouraging that ordinary Americans all across this nation are tinkering in their garages, wrenching in their barns and drafting plans in their dens for news sources of energy and power that are either being ignored or suppressed by the corporate energy monopolies. If you haven't seen "Who Killed the Electric Car", you absolutely should watch it asap.

So with all due respect, you can just go jump in a lake with your smug self-satisfaction, buddy. These guys are all right with me.

[jberryhill]

19. I see

Just out of curiosity, what do you think of large companies like, say, UPS or Fedex, which would have huge profits if they could lower the cost of operating large fleets of vehicles?

Do you suppose they are in on the plot here?

[realisticphish]

18. WTF

I didn't even notice this was in Arizona, Christ. Calm down.

You know why I'm skeptical? Because this has been done a MILLION TIMES before this. Why am I supposed to trust these two? Because they seem nice? Free energy has been proven to be bullshit every single time its come up. Even if the core technology does actually separate hydrogen, which for all I know it does, there's a 99% chance that it uses more energy than it puts out. It may not even be intentional. Maybe they really think it does work. But I'm not naive enough to think that THESE two random guys who build a free energy device are magically the ones who got it right, as opposed to the countless others.

As for the information distribution, there's nothing wrong with youtube. But are you telling me that, say, Arizona State wouldn't leap on this if these guys asked? Or CalTech, which is close enough? A major research university is the first stop I would make if I invented something amazing. And science is ALREADY open source. That's the whole point. If no one else can reproduce what you do, there's a problem. Look at Pons and Fleischmann. You do the study, you publish it for others to see. They improve and alter what you've done, and put THAT out for others to see. And so on.

If these guys are right, they'll win the Nobel Prize. If not, they'll be right there with every other failed free energy device. So pardon me for assuming the latter.

[GOTV]

23. Because they save you so much money on scams? You're welcome!

[old mark]

5. In the '60's there were several "inventions" that did this...they sold several in the

classified sections of various magazines...one was a pill you dropped into the gas tank after you had filled it with water from your garden hose...I often wondered how people got all that water out of their gas tank after they realized that pill wasn't going to work...


mark

[herbm]

11. The big device was a water injection device. A simular device was used on Mustangs

in WWII as a sort of booster to get speeds that made them more "competitive" when a shot of power was needed. Kinda worked on airplane engines but not on auto engines. Popular Mechanics did an article ot two about it in the '60's

[Lasher]

8. Inventive minds have discovered new alternatives to dirty and expensive combustion engines.

This car runs on water:



Well water and grass.

[herbm]

10. I think it has potential and it isn't as if there aren't others working at hydrogen extraction.

The difference is they put an extractor in the vehicle and others want a hydrogen extraction industry with hydrogen stations on every corner.

[LawnKorn]

12. Other people besides Wood and Seigler have run on water

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apvJpZu1Ub0

[Davis_X_Machina]

17. Wrong headline

"Second Law of Thermodynamics
Found Unconstitutional by Roberts Court
in 5-4 Decision"

[longship]

21. Sir Arthur Eddington explained this in early 20th Century.

If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell's equations—then so much the worse for Maxwell's equations. If it is found to be contradicted by observation—well these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation.

Sir Arthur Eddington (1882-1944), an English astronomer, physicist, and mathematician of some note

Water powered cars like this use *more* energy than is reclaimed by the breaking up of the water. This *must* be true by the 2nd law of thermodynamics. And as Eddington says, you're so screwed if your putative invention violates this principle.

Live with it.

Anybody who buys into this is likely being scammed.

[GOTV]

22. When a 3rd party tried to validate the claim the device was down. Convenient!

From the description of the video on YouTube:

"Chava Energy (http://www.chavaenergy.com ) was present on April 21 to validate the technology. However, it turned out that the claimed technology was not in a condition to be tested during the visit and the Inventor Fred Wells was not present either, only his business partner. Therefore, none of the claims could be validated and Chava Energy generously
offered to conduct a test in the future once the system is running reliably."

Maybe it only works on YouTube.