'Fahrenheit 9/11': Not a Single Democratic Senator Joins with House Objections to Bush/Gore

[Charleston Chew]

Run time: 02:48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnNMlBTkF_s   Posted on YouTube: January 03, 2011 By YouTube Member: mmflint Views on YouTube: 302   Posted on DU: January 03, 2011 By DU Member: Charleston Chew Views on DU: 5019

 
Congressional Democrats ratify Bush election coup in US
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jan2001/cong-j08.shtml

[Poll_Blind]

1. That was painful to watch but a worthwhile reminder about the state of things.

PB

[Larry Ogg]

34. Another victory for evil and a significant day in American history...

Psychopathic manipulation, engendered by the elite predator class, had completely stacked the Senate with venal politicians who were amenable to set aside, for personal gain, their sacred duty to defend the Constitution.

[harvey007]

58. Is this video being posted in response to the appointment of Daley?

See this for reference:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x127680

[blm]

2. Gore asked them not to do it.....it would have made it impossible for him to run in 2004 and that

was an option he wanted to preserve.

[Charleston Chew]

3. I don't think that is how a proper democracy works

[formercia]

6. Thinking of the Country, I see.

:sarcasm:

Go Maxine. She is still paying for that statement. That took courage.

[frylock]

7. how'd that work out?

[Devil_Fish]

14. He didn't run in 2004. That was SUCH BULL SHIT.

[blm]

48. It was still a viable option for him at the time, and was until HE decided it wouldn't be.

That's just the way it was. I'm not arguing right or wrong, just that at the time it was HIS calculation about his chances....remember, this was pre-9/11 world where options could STILL be more fairly weighed.

[Uncle Joe]

49. I don't believe that was a major consideration with Gore at the time.

It was basically a no win situation and Gore knew it, the Republicans controlled the Florida Legislature, both houses of Congress, the U.S. Supreme Court and the corporate media; which had worked tirelessly to enable to Bush and demonize Gore for the better part of two years prior to the selection.

The Republican controlled Florida Legislature was preparing to send a separate set of electors; willing to vote for Bush and the Republican controlled Congress would have seated them.

I believe Gore was sincerely doing what he thought was best for the nation at the time.

[breadandwine]

21. He has the option in 2012 too but he won't do it. He's too chicken.

...

[crazyjoe]

39. not to mention the whole global warming thing is falling apart.

none of the dire predictions are coming true (thank god). most people believe it's all bullshit at this point, yes, including me.

[chervilant]

40. Sooooooo sad.

Denial will not change the inevitability of global climate change.

[bongbong]

41. What convinced you?

Did the fact the arctic ice has melted enough to allow ship passage do it?

Maybe the number of glaciers that no longer exist did the trick for you.

Perhaps the thousands of climate scientists who have done the research proving it.

:sarcasm:

[chervilant]

46. Most

of the refutations smack of the anti-intellectualism that is soooooooo necessary a component to the usurpation of our democracy by the Corporate Megalomaniacs.

[bongbong]

47. Most of what?

Most of the refutations of WHAT?

[chervilant]

50. Gosh...

Really?

Most of the refutations of global climate change smack of the anti-intellectualism now rampant across this nation.

What we seldom discuss--the 800 lb. gorilla in the middle of our nation's living room--is overpopulation. This macro-level manifestation of our species' hubris is our biggest threat. From an evolutionary perspective, something's gotta give. I sincerely doubt it will be our planet.

We've succeeded in pushing several species to extinction or the brink of extinction. Apparently, we are not far behind...

[bongbong]

54. Oops

I thought you were "Crazy Joe". I had responded sarcastically to him about his doubts on climate change, for which he provided no evidence.

[liberation]

51. "most people believe..." LOL

Technically your sample of buddies at freerepublic is not significant enough to extrapolate as a representation of what "most people believe."

[ProgressOnTheMove]

4. Gore told them to leave it he'd taken it to the highest court i the land what more could be done.Why

supreme court appointments mean the difference between life and death, climate change, listening to advance wrningsof 9/11 the world could of been massively different today. Hartmann is more than right that a Democrat must remain in office tillwe can change the balance back to not just moderate but sane.

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. What more could be done?

How about impeachment of the court for making an improper, purely political ruling whey they themselves admitted was without foundation by their stipulation that it could not be used to establish precedent. SC rulings ALWAYS establish precident - that is their function. By saying this ruling couldn't, they proved thier own ruling invalid.

The whole fucking majority should have been impeached.

[bvar22]

9. What more could be done?

See: Ukraine 2004


Of course, this type of thing requires a leader willing to say,
"Come STAND WITH ME until we see justice."

[formercia]

10. I wonder who had the forethought to make all of those orange banners

It took time to enable all of the logistics and distribute the materials.

The Orange Revolution, just like the Rose Revolution in Georgia, was bought and paid for by the same people that put Junior in power.

One will never see the Forest if one only stares at a single tree.

[defendandprotect]

17. They already have a majority ... they could do 2000 again ... !!

Gore also stopped the demonstrations that sprung up in Miami-Dade County

re the butterfly ballots -- and sent Jesse Jackson home -- Jackson came down

to give some leadership to their voices.

Gore got the word from "elites" that they didn't want anything as messy as

one candidate for president challenging another -- and then they brought in

the heavy weapons - the Gang of 5 on the Supreme Court!

That was after their fascist rally didn't work --

[groovedaddy]

28. The Citizens United decision will more than likely prevent the need for another recount

decision by SCOTA. In its own way, the CU decision is just as bad...made by some of the same crackers as the 2000 decision. This government is OWNED.

[defendandprotect]

33. Don't see the connection you're making ... and it's possible CU could create a backlash

to corporate involvement in our elections, imo --

at least among those who understand what's at play.

But don't get how you arrive at that "preventing need for another recount" --

no matter how you vote, you always need the ability to do a recount.

Granted this is a fascist Supreme Court --

as most of our government is at this point.

Corporatism is fascism --

[groovedaddy]

35. "Granted this is a fascist Supreme Court -- " that was my only point. The recount decision in 2000

was key in putting together the current FASCIST Supreme Court majority that rendered the citizens united decision. If there was a similar occurence in an election, these fascists will do whatever is necessary to get or keep their people in power. Of course, this doesn't even begin to touch the outright electoral cheating/fraud that has happened.

[defendandprotect]

55. Agree -- but that has always been true --

We've had more than 50 years of right wing political violence -- out of the closet.

That is the only way the right wing can rise -- political violence - stolen elections - lies.

[defendandprotect]

32. Didn't Gore take it to the Florida State SC ... but Bush took it to US Supremes?

Was just trying to recheck that --

????

[ProgressOnTheMove]

5. Gore told them to leave it he'd taken it to the highest court in the land what more could be done...

Why the supreme court appointments mean the difference between literally life and death, climate change, listening to advance warnings of 9/11 the world could of been massively different today. Hartmann is more than right that a Democrat must remain in office till we can change the balance back to not just moderate but sane.

[davidwparker]

11. Although a functioning legislative branch is a check on

the supreme court.

Impeachments. Clarifying laws which may be deemed unconstitutional. Citizens United, an example of overreach by the S. Court, could be stopped by legislative corrections.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

12. that was the day the music died

and we said bye bye to democracy.

[FedUp_Queer]

13. Make no mistake about it.

Nobody will say or it nobody wants to say it, but that was nothing short of a coup d'etat.

I'm not one for Wikipedia, but this seems to say it:

A coup d'état (English: /ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/, French: ; plural: coups d'état)—also known as a coup, putsch, and overthrow—is the sudden, illegal deposition of a government,<1><2><3> usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to replace the deposed government with another body; either civil or military. A coup d'état succeeds when the usurpers establish their legitimacy if the attacked government fails to thwart them, by allowing their (strategic, tactical, political) consolidation and then receiving the deposed government's surrender; or the acquiescence of the populace and the non-participant military forces.

Typically, a coup d'état uses the extant government's power to assume political control of the country. In Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook, military historian Edward Luttwak says, "A coup consists of the infiltration of a small, but critical, segment of the state apparatus, which is then used to displace the government from its control of the remainder", thus, armed force (either military or paramilitary) is not a defining feature of a coup d'état.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d'état

[defendandprotect]

20. ...and since then we've had 9/11 and the financial coup d'etat .....

you have a government being run based on capitalistic crime and corruption -- !!

And, I'll also add, you do have to go back to at least '63 when right wing political

violence came out of the closet .... they had always been active -- but they came into

the open to do that one!!

[chervilant]

42. And,

Uncle Miltie's disaster capitalism has become the many-headed Hydra that is destroying the global economy. All the bare glimmers of hope promulgated by the corrupt propagandist arm of the PTB are just so much smoke and mirrors. I despair over the massive numbers of the hoi polloi who believe that our economy is 'recovering' nicely. What a crock.

[defendandprotect]

56. Nice summation ....

and I was just looking to post this article up on Yahoo now --

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110104/ts_yblog_thelookout/the-paradox-of-our-recovering-economy

The see-saw of info --

"Dow Jones, NASDAQ, S&P all rose" -- what does that mean to average person -- ?
80% of the market is elite money.

"That pain from the housing bust and the economic slowdown it triggered lingers on."
We have had a new depression, as Obama called it only months ago -- quickly scrubbed from
yahoo and replaced with "recession."

"Personal bankruptcies rose to 1.53 million last year, a gain of 9 percent from 2009. That's the highest level since bankruptcy laws were changed in 2005. In California and Arizona -- two of the states hit hardest by the housing slump -- bankruptcies were up by a whopping 25 and 24 percent respectively."

"The spike in bankruptcies appears to reflect the effects of long-term joblessness -- a phenomenon we've written about here -- and depressed home prices. Meanwhile, wage growth is slow, and unemployment remains at 9.8 percent."

Notice that lie -- unemployment rose from 9.6% to 9.8% -- while emphasis is being kept on
unemployment claims which have dropped.

"And there's reason to believe that even if the economy continues to improve this year, as it's expected to do, these problems may remain. The Federal Reserve has said joblessness likely won't come down much this year -- though some firms have said they may start hiring. And there's not much evidence that home prices will substantially rebound in the near future -- indeed, some are predicting they'll continue to decline."

There's a live link to that FED quote on "joblessness" -- and how many Americans understand
that it is the FED -- not our Congress -- which is setting employment goals for the nation??


Disgusting!!!

[Enthusiast]

25. No question about it.

Just look how the country has been transformed since.

[axollot]

57. I've always called it a coup. That sure what it looked like to me. n/t

[pocoloco]

15. You weren't around in November of '63?

[defendandprotect]

18. That happened in '63 when they took our president and our "people's" government ....

with very little protest from Democratic Party -- LBJ was president!!

Couldn't have been done without him!

What resistance began later was too late and Democrats who participated in

challenging WC Report were targeted by right wing and ousted from Congress ...

all faked attacks, of course -- coming from CIA, GOP/NRA, GOP/"pro-lifers,"

GOP/"Christians" -- and GOP/Diebold computers!

GOP buys what they need every time!!

[stlsaxman]

23. that happened a little earlier, at THIS moment...

[Divine Discontent]

16. I felt for Rep Maxine Waters when she had her righteous frustration smacked down like that

so that his wording and tone had them laugh at her. I was sickened in my stomach. He could have said "the chair thanks the Lady from California but it must be signed". I wouldn't give the rightwing thugs the joy of laughing at her fighting for the people over the election that was stolen.

[defendandprotect]

19. The courage that we have seen from Dems in recent years comes from black caucus .... !!

[The Wizard]

22. It was the motivation for

Democratic Underground.

[Enthusiast]

27. For every action there is an opposite reaction.

I won't say '"equal" and opposite' reaction because the reaction has been so unequal to the massive effort by the RW/corporations.

[Enthusiast]

24. K&R

They did not steal the election because they had good intentions. Now we have seen their intentions come to fruition. How is this working out for us? Just look at this mess of a fucking country they have created.

[stlsaxman]

26. Hey Chuckles- using this as Gore-bashing bait eleven years after the fact is absolute

bullshit.

CHENEY would have gladly stepped in if he were president of the senate- which Gore was at the time. For Gore to take advantage of this move would have led to a constitutional crisis. It amounts to a congressional coup d'etat and Bush/Cheney KNEW IT!

Because Gore believes we are "a nation of laws", he did everything he could legally. Do yourself a favor and read "The Assault On Reason".... but I suppose you never will, seeing the type of divisive shit you post here.

Why bring this up here now? Makes no sense other than baiting.

[DeeDeeNY]

30. +1

Yes

[Uncle Joe]

43. It was a no win situation and Gore knew it. The Republican controlled Florida

legislature was prepared to send a different set of electors and the Republican controlled Congress was prepared to seat them even if Gore had prevailed with the U.S. Supreme Court, which of course he didn't.

In my mind this was a moment of grace on Gore's part, he was considering what was best for the nation as of December 2000.

[pam4water]

29. They all let us down that day.

[deutsey]

31. It was a travesty. We've yet to recover from that..

I wonder if we ever will.

[emulatorloo]

36. GORE ASKED THEM NOT TO

Let's not forget the context.

[peacetalksforall]

37. I was pained for the Black Caucus and wanted a movie ending, but at the time

I understood the Constitutional thing even though the Supreme Court didn't.

Recently, I've been learning about the Gore connection (mild as it is from what I know so far) to the Bilderberg Group. Kerry Edwards both Clintons. This country is run by the Bilderberg Group.

Devestating Milestones along the way of our plummet down.

The establishment of the Federal Reserve as a corporation.
The start of the Bilderberg Group, then Council on Foreign Relations, then Tri-Lateral Commission.
The rule of the OSS/CIA and all the little brother/siter intelligence services in this country.
The corporative morphing of the military.
The assassination of Kennedy, Kennedy, King and all the others.
The arrogance of domination of the world.
The lies of war and the economy.
The manipulative, planned arrogance in the theft of Florida and Ohio votes, the Supreme Court decision in FL - including the conclusion of this event as portrayed in this video as far as the disrespect and ridicule and arrogance shown to the members of the Caucus.
PNAC and that September day.
And millions of other lies including how they use lies to work with and against other countries.

[JJW]

38. The Corporate Democrats Failed

and they keep failing every single day. They will continue to fail until we get an even worse President than Bush.

"Impeachment Is Off The Table"

War Crimes And Crimes Against Humanity Are Off The Table "Can't look back must move forward per Pres. Obama".

White collar crimes by the criminals on Wall Street are untouchable by the Director of DOJ Holder.

[bongbong]

44. The only question left

I have only one question, and viewed in the rapidly developing corporatism that is engulfing America (and the world), it's gotta be on a lot of people's minds: What is their end goal?

Is it a society like 1960? Or is it 1930? 1910? 1850? 1600? Death thru attrition of everyone worth less than $10,000,000? WHAT IS THEIR GOAL???

(I know, in a more serious frame of mind, that their only goal is getting every single last penny and crumb away from everybody else, leaving only enough wretches & lackeys to protect them. But that thinking is what produces the outcomes noted above)

[Vilis Veritas]

52. A global corporate oligarchy with billions of workers?

Only with such a system could you plan the next great leap. Mine the asteroids, colonize the moon and Mars, build generational spaceships all take vast amounts of money and resources that no SINGLE country has...

All pure speculation on my part...

[masmdu]

45. I cried myself to sleep that night....I felt as though something fundemental was killed that day...

my heart is scarred.

[felix_numinous]

53. What a powerful turning point

for this country, I felt a great loss that night, and such shock to see what happened in congress. I was going around telling everyone, if this had happened in the 60's people would be in the streets, but everyone was sort of numb for some reason.