Are the Republicans really Nazis in Disguise??

[Raoul]

Run time: 05:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDP4u9Lsslc   Posted on YouTube: January 20, 2011 By YouTube Member: raoul116 Views on YouTube: 1   Posted on DU: January 20, 2011 By DU Member: Raoul Views on DU: 1714

 

[Joanne98]

1. YES!

[Raoul]

2. It's Heart warming

and quite humbling to have you give a thumbs up since I happen to enjoy the many videos you take the time to post over here. Thanks!

[movintocuba]

3. Agree

I also see our pres a lot like Chamberlain, bending over to these pricks, good comparison.

[Raoul]

7. Fantastic Comparison!

And I wonder how much more he'll compromise after all of them (neocons) refused to attend the state dinner given to the Chinese premier. The only repub. who showed up was Christy from NJ. And even though Christy has employed some draconian measures in his state (cutting jobs, budgets, etc.) he's still like a leftie compared to the rest of his party.

[JDPriestly]

4. Thank you, Raoul.

I notice that many of the people who express such shock when some of us compare events of our time to those in the 1930s in Germany and Austria are young.

Clearly, those of us who grew up during WWII and in the post-war period heard about WWII and the NAZIs from our friends and families and teachers.

We forget the lessons of WWII to our peril. The same extremist voices that were heard during the 1930s are being heard today.

Recently I heard a TV personality demanding to know why, after we spent all the money "freeing" the Iraqi people, we are getting to have the oil. Why aren't the Iraqis paying us for having freed them? This was a well known TV personality. The man is unbelievably naive. But his statement proves just how ignorant Americans are about international law concerning war crimes.

Think of the price that the German people paid for the aggression of their nation. Think of the price that Eastern Europeans paid for the NAZI invasions.

Americans do not know what it means to live in a country on which bombs are being dropped. Children who experience repeated bombing raids are traumatized for a long time if not for life. The Germans learned what that is like.

I wish that more Americans would take the time to learn how Hitler came to power and the suffering that his abuses and crimes caused all over Europe, not just in England and other countries that were attacked by the NAZIs but also in Germany.

Thanks again for posting this.

[Raoul]

6. You're quite welcome JD and

what you said about us being paid with oil for freeing the Iraqis triggered something else in my foggy memory banks. That hideous scumbag depicted in Shindler's List who was in charge of the death camp in the movie - I did some research on him once. Among the odious things he'd done was that he actually CHARGED the Jewish victims for AMMUNITION used by his killers to shoot them! Can you believe that? It boggles my mind whenever I think about it.

[Enthusiast]

11. Beautifully said. nt

[Xipe Totec]

5. What disguise? nt

[Raoul]

9. My bad..

and point taken.

[Xipe Totec]

12. Take Rich Iott, for example...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/09/rich-iott-republican-hous_n_756870.html

[Raoul]

13. Nope

You take him and stuff him in a toilet.

I think he lost his election didn't he?

[Enthusiast]

8. K&R and Plus one thousand.

You only need listen to Limbaugh for five minutes to hear Goebbels-like convoluted justification for anything the right wing has done or wants to do. His rhetoric is nearly identical to that of the Nazi Germany propagandists. The same could be said for Glenn Beck and the rest. The scape goats have changed but the MO remains the same.

Today the evil is thought. To today's American fascist, Liberal thought is the evil that must be eradicated. Glenn Beck even attacks the notion of 'social justice'. The very basis for this nation is social justice. Srsly. Glenn Beck actually advocates destroying the very basis for this nation!

[Raoul]

10. Start without me

regarding trying to listen to that windbag Limbaugh. God knows I try but can only listen to about 5 minutes of his garbage before I'm talking back to the radio like a madman.

[Frisbee]

14. Right on, Rauol!

What I find almost equally perplexing is that a Democratic politician will make a (valid) comparison to the Nazis, and as soon as the republicans start crying foul, the Democrat apologizes. If they said it, and meant it, don't apologize, own it, explain it and let them prove you wrong. If you aren't prepared to do that, don't make the comparison in the first place, because you know they are going to try to turn it on you.

[Raoul]

15. Generally speaking

you're right about them apologizing all of the time but this time I think the Dem did not back down and kudos to him for sticking by his comments.

[Frisbee]

17. Rep. Cohen has stood his ground...

As have Alan Grayson and Anthony Weiner when asked for apologies (on other issues) in the past. Sadly they are the exception to the rule, but at least there are a few who have the courage to stand by their words.

[Raoul]

18. Well Frisbee

if history has shown us anything, it's that the majority doesn't do crap in any historical change. It's always been the minority who get off their behinds and move things so 3 Dems are, perhaps, the beginning...

[Marblehead]

16. I agree

I saw this when bush was installed. How about Arnold??? Talk about a nazi..

[rexcat]

19. As much as I agree with Raoul...

I find it irritating that Raoul called "DemocraticUnderground" "DemocratUnderground." Just one of my pet peeves. I am hoping this was not a deliberate mistake. I live in SW Ohio and the republicans here use Democrat Party as a slur. I am identifying less with the Democratic Party and more as a liberal and progressive but I don't really want liberals and progressives like myself who identify less with the Democratic Party to use slurs as the republicans do.

I agree with the Congresscritter who compared the tactics of the republican party with how the Nazis used propaganda and repeated lies to gain favor of the German population but how does this help our side in the case of civility? Not that civility is necessary in all cases. The frame was good but the delivery could have been better, possibly a little more nuance but on the other hand conservatives don't understand nuance or irony. Overall I agreed with the Congresscritter but I have mixed feelings on how it was said.


edited for spelling

[Raoul]

20. It was

a mistake okay? I meant the Democratic but sometimes, when I speak, my mouth gets ahead of my brain. LOL

Regarding civility - not applicable with them in my humble opinion because they count on us trying to be civil while they can do anything they want to do and say.

[rexcat]

23. I appreciate your response...

I have mixed feeling about the civility issue as stated in my original post. I live in a community that is overwhelming ultra-conservative and I respond in-kind to their total lack of civility. My views of the republicans is probably far more negative than most as a reaction of being surrounded by the asshats.

Please keep up the posts and my apologies if I offended you with my intial response. Again, living in SW Ohio makes me a little more sensitive to liberal and progressive issues. Also Speaker of the House Boner lives within 5 miles of me and my Congresscritter, Mean Jean Schmidt, lives within 10 miles of me. It is enough to drive the most sane person batty.

[Raoul]

25. Rest assured my friend,

no offense was taken. In fact I appreciate anyone taking the time to respond to anything I and my wife post here and elsewhere. And I don't know how you keep your sanity living so close to those 2 you cited. That Jean Schmidt - wasn't she the one who'd made up that fake letter from an imaginary Marine which claimed 'cowards cut and run'? I think she was so you can be forgiven for going bonkers. I'm going bonkers just thinking about that episode.

[rexcat]

32. She actually called Murtha a coward...

and she was reprimanded for it and her statements were stricken from the congressional record.

[Raoul]

33. That's a riot

ain't it? I mean the way they call Viet Nam vets cowards when they've never served in harm's way a second of their miserable lives. I'm still trying to figure out how Bush/Cheney were considered patriots whereas John Kerry or Al Gore, who'd both served in 'Nam, are considered otherwise by them.

[SharksBreath]

21. I always said during the buildup to the Iraq war.

If you want to know how the people of Germany followed Hitler take a look at the Republican party.

The day that war started was the second time I cried for my country.

The first was when the space shuttle exploded when I was in the 9th grade.

[boycottfaux]

22. Well Said . .

Bravo Raoul . .

Your comments are FACTUAL.  Somehow republicans double-talk
and 'refudiate' TRUTH . .

Interesting, isn't it and very sad!!

[Turborama]

24. K&R Right on Raoul

Have you seen my OP about it in GD yet? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x233136">I Have No Problem Whatsoever With Rep. Cohen Linking The GOP To "The Big Lie" Strategy Of Goebbels

Also, the latest news has caused a bit of an uproar...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4703427">Rep. Steve Cohen: 'I Meant What I Said' About GOPers And Nazis Lying

There's also this to consider...

Hitler on Propaganda

In chapter six of Mein Kampf,Hitler reviewed the use of propaganda during World War I. In the course of his criticism of the German effort, he included comments on the function of propaganda in general. His statements offer insight into the methods used by the Nazi Party.

Source: Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf,translated by Ralph Manheim. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1943.

The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be. But if, as in propaganda for sticking out a war, the aim is to influence a whole people, we must avoid excessive intellectual demands on our public, and too much caution cannot be extended in this direction.

The more modest its intellectual ballast, the more exclusively it takes into consideration the emotions of the masses, the more effective it will be. And this is the best proof of the soundness or unsoundness of a propaganda campaign, and not success pleasing a few scholars or young aesthetes.

The art of propaganda lies in understanding the emotional ideas of the great masses and finding, through a psychologically correct form, the way to the attention and thence to the heart of the broad masses. The fact that our bright boys do not understand this merely shows how mentally lazy and conceited they are.

Once understood how necessary it is for propaganda in be adjusted to the broad mass, the following rule results:

It is a mistake to make propaganda many-sided, like scientific instruction, for instance.

The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out.

Thus we see that propaganda must follow a simple line and correspondingly the basic tactics must be psychologically sound.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

What, for example, would we say about a poster that was supposed to advertise a new soap and that described other soaps as 'good'?
We would only shake our heads.

Exactly the same applies to political advertising.

The function of propaganda is, for example, not to weigh and ponder the rights of different people, but exclusively to emphasize the one right which it has set out to argue for. Its task is not to make an objective study of the truth, in so far as it favors the enemy, and then set it before the masses with academic fairness; its task is to serve our own right, always and unflinchingly.

[Raoul]

26. Yeah, thanks.

I just went over and read it - excellent work. In fact I'm gonna copy your stuff from the body of your reply here (the blue background info) and try to memorize it for future use or at least keep it in a file for reference if you don't mind.

Also, I vaguely recall a few years ago catching a blog where they'd actually developed over 50 similarities between the modus operandi of the Nazis with that of the bush war criminal administration. Perhaps if I do a google search on it later I'll find it again.

[eleny]

27. Your video is timely for me since I just started to read The Eliminationists by David Neiwert

I'm not very far into the book but so far I'd recommend it to anyone who has their doubts about fascism creeping into our culture.

K&R

[Raoul]

28. Quite a good read

Especially when he really simplies their mantra under Manichean dualism - simplistic division of good vs evil, etc.

Like when bush said 'those evil doers' - jeez, I'd never heard the concept of 'evil' put that way before he stole the election.

[eleny]

30. I was sorry to hear that "evil" was used regarding the horrible Tuscon shootings

If it turns out that the JL is a madman then evil has nothing to do with it. The president used the term in his moving address, something about evil being in the world. I wish he'd left that out. If someone is out of their mind, imo it's not because evil took over their mind.

The whole good and evil thing is a religious idea when the right wing uses it and that's just not my thing. However, I think we've heard some evidence that JL did believe in some of the Patriot movement's ideas i.e. the fixation on the gold standard.

Here in Colorado we came close to having a Constitution Party governor. When Tancredo didn't win the Republican nomination he went fishing for another Party to accept him and the Const. Party opened their arms. That's getting pretty close to mainstream.

Pat Buchanan routinely cautions about Reconquista, which is another fear of the Patriot movement. He's doing his job of planting seeds. One of those small steps.

[Raoul]

31. Agree and still

disagree somewhat concerning the concept of 'evil'. While I, like you, reject the notion of good vs evil from a macro sense I really do believe there are people who are evil in nature - who are out to destroy someone or some thing. I once quoted from a psychiatrist who put it more succinctly than I. He defined evil as the 'destruction of hope'.

I guess he was talking in the macro sense but I believe it from my own personal experiences which I may talk about some day if I want to go down that dark road.

[Imagevision]

29. GOP reminds me of the south trying to get back for Civil War lose!

[travelingtypist]

34. If you wrote what you said in a post, it'd be deleted.

Lots of name-calling here that's really gratuitous and insulting, bub.

[Raoul]

35. Tell you what.

You can direct our next video okay? LOL

And I was never one for being politically correct - I leave that to the libs.. Sorry if you're offended but I call them as I see them..

[WhoIsNumberNone]

36. I've got some facts...

but they all support your argument.

Back during the W administration I read some books (those are things with pages for all you 20-somethings) about the Nazis rise to power and I was struck by the similarities between the neocon and Nazi propaganda techniques, as well as the sort of people they buddied up with (i.e. super rich, barons of industry, etc) There was a lot more to the Nazi way of thinking than just Jew-hating (Incidentally- had the Nazis won the war, the Holocaust wouldn't have ended when the last Jew was gassed. They had similar plans for the Slavs, Russians, and Gypsies)

There is one point I would argue though- I doubt if disposing of the Jews in a humane way was their primary consideration. Everything I've read suggests that they were concerned more about efficiency. Gassing Jews was cheaper, less public and required less manpower than rounding them up and shooting them. They were also concerned about the psychological effect that participation in a couple of massacres a week was having on the troops.