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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 08:49 AM
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Jesus Opposed The Minimum Wage
 
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Well then, if Jesus is against it ....
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 08:53 AM
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1. that guy was a lunatic. nt
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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 08:57 AM
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3. Was???? IS!!!


:rofl:
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Skip_In_Boulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 09:59 AM
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8. That guy is David Barton probably the most dangerous
right wing historical revisionist out there. A large majority of right wing talking points on the saying's of the founders that have been maligned and taken out of context can ultimately be traced back to Barton. He has been debunked and shown to be a fraud more times than one can keep count of but the right wingers keep buying up his drivel hook, line and sinker.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 05:30 PM
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23. a couple of generations have been brought up on this sort of pseudo-history
and have passed it on to their own kids as gospel truth. don't question lest your deity smite you.

# This is not a Religion Column: Biblical Capitalism
# By Jeff Sharlet
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/politics/562

Only months ago, what scant attention the press paid to fundamentalism in American life was dedicated to declaring the Christian Right deceased. Of course, those were the days when Lehman Brothers still looked like a good investment. Now, Christian Right leaders are feeling bullish for the first time in years, ready to bet the farm on Sarah Palin, while the rest of us blink in shock as the clock goes spinning back to the Great Depression. In more ways than one—it was in the 1930s that modern fundamentalism’s strange marriage of laissez-faire economics and heavily-regulated morals was first consummated, in reaction not to abortion or homosexuality, but to economic malaise—“spiritual depression,” as it was called by an early advocate of “biblical capitalism.”

In 1932, James A. Farrell, president of US Steel, tried to persuade then Governor Franklin Roosevelt that economic depression was “caused by disobedience to divine law,” and that the only cure was a mix of spiritual revival and unprecedented powers for corporate leaders. In 1936, Frank Buchman, the founder of the Moral Re-Armament movement—a network of upper crust Christian clubs—announced, “Human problems aren’t economic. They’re moral, and they can’t be solved by immoral measures.” He suggested instead “God-controlled democracy, or perhaps I should say a theocracy.” Bruce Barton, a founder of advertising giant BBDO and the author of one of the 20th century’s bestsellers, The Man Nobody Knows (it was Jesus, whom Barton proposed as the greatest CEO in history), won a seat in Congress in 1938 by proposing to a nation battered by unfettered capitalism that it “Repeal a Law a Day.”

The most influential of these businessmen for God was a Norwegian immigrant named Abraham Vereide, founder of an annual ritual of piety and politics that survives to this day, the National Prayer Breakfast. In 1935, Vereide created a “fellowship” of Christian businessmen bound together by the idea that God hates government regulation because it interferes with a believer’s ability to choose right or wrong. He found receptive audiences in private meetings with Henry Ford and the president of Chevrolet, Thomas Watson of IBM and representatives from J.C. Penney. By 1942, he’d moved to the capital, where the National Association of Manufacturers staked him to a meeting of congressmen who would become students of his spiritual politics, among them Virginia senator Absalom Willis Robertson—Pat Robertson’s father. Vereide returned the manufacturers’ favor by telling his new congressional followers that God wanted them to break the spine of organized labor. They did.

Vereide died in 1969, but his organization—known in his day as International Christian Leadership, in ours as the Fellowship Foundation or the Family—still prospers. In a recent survey of 360 evangelical leaders—not preachers but politicians and businesspeople—Rice University sociologist D. Michael Lindsay found that a plurality named the Fellowship one of the most influential religious groups in Washington. “There is no other organization like the Fellowship, especially among religious groups, in terms of its access or clout among the country’s leadership,” wrote Lindsay. “The most powerful group in Washington that nobody knows,” as David Kuo, a special assistant to Bush in his first term, put it, praising the publicity-shy network of piety-brokers.

Jesus Hates Taxes: Biblical Capitalism Created Fertile Anti-Union Soil
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/politics/4366/jesus_hates_taxes%3A_biblical_capitalism_created_fertile_anti-union_soil/
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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 08:56 AM
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2. I'm willing to bet this pulpit pimp could convince his true believers
that toxic waste is good for them.

These christian facists will go to any length to destroy OUR democracy. REMOVE THEIR TAX EXEMPT STATUS. NOW!:grr:
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 09:32 AM
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4. Even if it mattered what was in the bible, why would anyone take policy advice from 100 AD.
As if they had a clue.
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spedtr90 Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 09:34 AM
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5. Jesus preached in the old testament?
This guy says Jesus preached about minimum wage and then references the old testament???? The only New Testament sources repeat the same parable...PARABLE which is not actually about money.

Supply side Jesus - what a perversion of religion.
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spedtr90 Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 09:42 AM
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6. This is Michelle Bachamnn history teacher. Really!
Barton went to Minnesota in 2005 to help Bachmann shape the state’s “history standards.” Bachmann wanted to make sure that references to religion in historical documents were taught in Minnesota’s public schools. Barton came to the Minnesota Senate to give a presentation at Bachmann’s invitation.

Don't know much about history, don't know much Christianity, don't know much about science books.....

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Skip_In_Boulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 09:51 AM
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7. I also heard that Jesus was against the creation of OSHA.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 10:19 AM
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9. I have no words...
I mean I do..but, geeze.. I won't say a thing. Anyone got an Alka Setzer?
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 10:34 AM
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10. I would scream to crucify Jesus anew if he was a neocon.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:09 AM
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11. I had to go back and read some Bible verses to see what he referred to
Not only is this guy wrong on principle (why the hell should we run the counytry according to his, or ANY religious beliefs?), he's also wrong on the tax facts (the verses don't support what he claims), and he's even wrong on the religion (the verses -when read in CONTEXT-actually promote giving away money to support the poor!).

This man is either mentally ill, or or just nasty evil. Not sure which...
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:25 AM
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13. People like this...
always get it wrong.

There are times when I wish the OT God would just torch them for what they distort...:evilgrin:
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:24 AM
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12. Let's look at some things here...
There was no "Minimum Wage" during Jesus' time, (at least none that we know of); who needed it...there was slave labor.

I recall the words, "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, unto God what is God's".

There is a baseline requirement for the faithful, tithing. 10% of whatever you earn, is supposed to go to the church/synagogue, what the entity brings in, (in this country), is non-taxable, and can be written off on a 1040 for a family or individual. 200 members of a congregation, each tossing $10 into the pot, (let's say that's an average), and $2000 a week goes to the organization, that's $8000 a month x 12 = $96000...tax free! not a bad haul, and considering that the $10 is not 10%...well you can see where this is going. Basically, it's a very profitable racket for some, (others squeak by).

What Jesus spoke of more than anything, (I can't even recall him speaking of sex, something the evangelicals are obsessed with), was hypocrisy, and it's damning influence. Money changers, were a serious problem to him as well. Hypocrisy took the cake though...something this bombastic used car salesman cannot seem to fathom. And if he keeps it up, there is a good possibility that his "church" might lose it's tax exempt status...:D

This clown should have taken to heart the message of compassion and empathy Jesus spoke of, clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, caring for the sick, visiting those in prison...I guess he, (and many others like him), just skip over the important parts; after all, where's the profit in being compassionate?





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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:58 AM
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14. Actually, Jesus did speak of sex on a number of occasions
but that's not the discussion here.

The subject is taxes.

Besides the "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's" reference, there is also the New Testament story of a miracle, where the disciples went to Jesus and said that they had no money to pay the tax. Jesus told them to go fishing and to open the mouth of the first fish that they caught. They did, and that fish had swallowed a coin - just enough to pay the tax.

Obviously, we can't all rely on fish for our tax money; but the point that was driven home on a number of occasions is that being a Christian did not exempt us from our civic duty: we needed to carry our share of the tax burden and not pass it off to our fellow citizens, regardless of their beliefs or ours. And if we oppose a tax as unfair, we need to work to repeal it under the rule of law.

And while I'm on the soapbox, this man is not a lunatic - far from it. He is manipulative, conniving, and out to influence whom he can and deceive whom he can and grab whatever he can get. Greedy, immoral a__hole who has no shame in quoting Scripture to advance his purposes.

:grr:
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nonoxy9 Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 01:53 PM
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19. Well put!
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:26 PM
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16. Indeed...
Edited on Fri Mar-25-11 12:27 PM by markpkessinger
I recall the words, "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, unto God what is God's".


You recall correctly. What's more, those words were uttered (at least if we are to take the account in the Gospels at face value) in response to a direct question about whether it was lawful (religiously) to pay taxes. I pointed this out to a fundamentalist on another site not long ago. It resulted in the following, rather entertaining exchange, the context of which was a lengthy discussion about whether the New Testament can be at all properly interpreted to support modern-day arch-conservative economic policies:

(Me): And what did Jesus advise about paying such taxes to the Roman government? "Render unto Caesar ...". He certainly isn't on record as being opposed to such systems, as some here have suggested.

(Other Person): Mark the complete passage is Matthew 22: 15-22. The context regards an attempted Pharisaical entrapment of Jesus. Please don't use scripture out of context.

(Me): I fully grant the context. But nothing about the context changes the question posed to Jesus, nor his response to it. It's pretty straightforward. Unless, of course, you are suggesting that Jesus gave an answer he didn't really mean just to get out from under the Pharisaical trap. ;)


My evangelical correspondent had no response to that. ;)
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:04 PM
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15. What is it about evangelical preachers that so many of them sound like sleazy used car salesman?
And given that, why would anyone listen to them?
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:26 PM
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17. So, did Jesus tell him this when they were sitting down to lunch together or something?
Maybe they had coffee and a slice of pie at the local Bakers Square when they were discussing this? I think this guy sees dead people (hears them, too).
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WhoIsNumberNone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 01:26 PM
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18. I've always said the Bible can prove or disprove anything you want it to.
Edited on Fri Mar-25-11 01:27 PM by WhoIsNumberNone
The Bible "proves" slavery is OK, The Bible "proves" genocide is OK...
Of course, "Bible" and "proof" in the same sentence- You might as well try and prove something to me using a Spiderman comic.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:31 PM
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21. You'd probably get better moral lessons from the comic.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 07:04 PM
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24. With great power comes great responsibility
Help people because you can, not be cause it gets you naything.

Don't knock "comic book morality". It's better than what we usually get from Serious People.

(but you can knock "comic book fashion sense". That does get pretty ridiculous. :evilgrin: )
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rschallack Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 01:57 PM
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20. After 15 minutes of reading the Bible...
I just want to say, for the record, that I am Catholic, but leaning more toward agnostic.

That said, whenever ANYONE quotes the bible, even the Pope, you should go read it for yourself. The first 2 passages about "Capitol Gains Tax" are parables. PARABLES. Says so right in the bible before the passages. Here's the definition of parable:

a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels.

Lets gloss over the fact that the "minas" and "talents" in the 2 parables really mean something like the level of faith each is given from God. The fact that this guy takes these passages LITERALLY means that he has not one clue about faith or the Bible. I'd love to be an observer when Peter tells him that he must go to hell for deceiving all those poor people.

BTW, did you notice that he was speaking to a fair crowd (a few dozen at least).

Lets have a look at that Leviticus passage he mentions. It mentions a one-tenth tithe (I think Jews are still paying this to temple today). Of course, he thinks it's the tax. But of course, it's the tithe to the Church.

I stopped at that point because you can't tell a man who believes the sky is pink that it is really blue.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 04:09 PM
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22. What, are there no oil companies for him to apologize to this week?
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