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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:00 PM
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Kucinich: US making Libya worse
 
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It's been more than ten days since NATO entered Libya yet there is still no clear understanding on who the rebels are, what the endgame is or what will happen next. Democratic Congressman Dennis
Kucinich argued the war itself is not only unconstitutional, but is making Libya worse off. "What we're doing here is enlarging a humanitarian crisis with more people becoming refugees, with more civilians put at risk of injury or death due to the bombing," he said.
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:20 PM
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1. Yeah, stopping a masicure makes things worse.

Is this guy having a secret sexual affair with Qaddafi? He's in love with guy. He complains about everything the US is doing, but Qaddafi gets very little of his vinum.

When did "liberal" translate into "Turn your head away from other people's problems", even if military action is required? I'm sorry Mr. Kucinich, but Liberals help people, Conservatives are apathetic.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:26 PM
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2. Sorry to have to inform you but...
Kucinich is right he is one of the few principled leaders left in the Democratic party..

Why are we involved in a Libyan Civil War?

Oh thats right Obama/Bush said that if we didn't do it then thousands would have been killed by Khadaffi/Saddam. Next up terra, terra, terra... and the wheels of war continue to grind...

Same justifications different war, but somehow people like you can judge Bush as a war crimnal and agree that Obama deserves the nobel peace prize... Its wearing thin...

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 06:21 PM
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6. +1
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 08:01 PM
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There was no imminent masicure in Iraq! That was bullshit!

How can you say that if we didn't intervene then "everything would have been alright" in Lybia?

What is your justification, or do trust Qaddafi like Bush did?
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:02 PM
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10. Are you all right?
I said nothing of the sort, I said both Bush and Obama were wrong and both claim similar reasons for their actions... Bush claimed Saddam killed his own people indiscriminately and yes it was a fact that Saddam used Mustard gas on the Kurds in the north, and Saddam killed many of his people after Kuwait.... We all know that Khaddafi is killing his own people thats true so is Assad in Syria so is Amadinajad in Iran, so Obama claims that a massacre (spell check is your friend) would have happened but that he prevented it by taking action.....

U.S. action or inaction cannot prevent what those evil people will or will not do to their countryman we cannot be the worlds policeman.... Obama has gotten us into another war using the same tactics and justifications that Bush did they are exactly the same and those that can't see that are blind....

So you either stand up for your principles or you don't... IMO Obama has been suckered by the NEOCONS but thats just MHO...
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:44 PM
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5. How in the hell is killing/maiming people and destroying a
country's infrastructure helping anyone, including the US. Good things take time, it doesn't happen overnight and certainly not on the end of a bomb. This country is in a word of hurt. What would you think if some country came to our aid by bombing the White House?
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 06:29 PM
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7. Bingo
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 08:23 PM
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9. Killing/maiming Qaddafi's thugs IS A GOOD THING!!!

I bet the Lybian Freedom Fighters(Ed Shultz calls them that) agree. Plus, if we had "taken our time", all those people would be DEAD BY NOW!!! Allowing genocides/masicures isn't Liberalism! That's Conservatism at it's core.

What infrastructure is being destroyed in Lybia? It's been all military targets, or do you believe Qaddafi's reports of civilian casulties??? If you trust Qaddafi, then you are as gullible as W.

What imminent masicure(within days, shit years)is Obama going to execute here? If so, then bomb. Plus, your point is mute because we are not bombing any of Qaddafi's residents, the Presidential palace, or gov't buildings. You're confusing Lybia with Irag(which was/is bullshit).

Oh BTW, zero US/Coalition casualties and local civilian casualty counts are extremely low, most likely zero. Take note W./Cheney/Rumsfeld.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:08 PM
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11. Dude get a grip
and spell check is your friend, your starting to remind me of some backwoods tea partier....

Massacre instead of masicure unless that is what you think Obama's intervention was a Masicure???, and if his point was mute it would have been a silent point.... Additionally, if your point is to suggest that U.S. involvement in Libya and Iraq are not two peas in a the same NEOCON pod then you have some serious investigation homework to do regarding U.S. foreign policy and involvement in Israeli/Arab state conflicts start about 30 years ago and work forward....
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:28 PM
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3. Once again, Kucinich is a voice of reasoned judgement. nt
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:32 PM
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4. I am with Kucinich. Another Vietnam, Iraq and Ahfganistan ?
Just doesn't make sense. Not so very long ago we were tight with Ghadafi as well as Hussein. The Libyians are in for more suffering; why call this a humanitarian action when the result will be more death and destruction in Libya.
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