The OWS Will Fail - Here's Why

[walerosco]

Run time: 04:24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Ie-Xr6NMY   Posted on YouTube: November 22, 2011 By YouTube Member: StormCloudsGathering Views on YouTube: 3188   Posted on DU: November 23, 2011 By DU Member: walerosco Views on DU: 5028

 
In it's current form the Occupy Movement will fail. In this video I'm going to talk about why.

[mdmc]

1. I think it has already seceded

[bertman]

7. 'seceded' or 'succeeded'? Seceded from what? Just curious. Thanks nt

[mdmc]

16. sorry

succeeded

[bluestateguy]

2. There is only issue that I can see OWS agreeing with the teabaggers on

And that is ending the Federal Reserve system.

[CJCRANE]

3. OWS are fighting for the rights of the 99%

whether you want them to or not.

[leveymg]

4. There is one broadly unifying issue this guy leaves out: Tax the One Percent more than the rest.

I'm suspicious of that omission, which is glaring. Some of the rest of what he says about not allowing the lunatic extremes to take over the public face of a mass movement, of the Right or the Left, makes sense.

I don't think OWS will fail - it's already succeeded - it can only change, for better or worse.

[bertman]

5. I'm reccing this because I agree with the part about keeping the extremists out of Occupy.

It may be too late for that, but it's still worth a try. Given the tiny numbers of left-wing extremists who are involved it may not even be a problem except for minor flareups.

On the other hand, I disagree that OWS is going to die. It is going to contract during the winter months, then when spring comes and our economy is even worse than it is now, and we're hearing the same old stuff from our "leaders", it is going to bloom and grow and create even more positive change.

[Modern_Matthew]

12. Left-wing extremism is the only hope I have for this movement... nt

[macandsandy]

6. The occupy Movement

You left out some important information:

the Occupy movement started as a back lash to the greedy banks
the occupy movement received little if any coverage from the press until it has grown to huge numbers
The occupy movement is peaceful
the tea party was founded by the rich and covered in the press by the rich and the 1%
The tea party movement came with their guns and signs expressing bigotry and hatred
the occupy movement is made up of the old, the young, the poor, students, jobless, those with jobs - in effect it covers a broader range of people.

[CJCRANE]

8. That's a great reply to this video!

It seems like it missed out quite a lot.

[mmonk]

9. We will see if we do.

Or the lay the few at the feet of the many.

[Modern_Matthew]

10. Unrecc'd. Go occupy Freeperville. nt

[grantcart]

20. Nauseating isn't it?

[Quartermass]

11. I agree with points one and two

but not with point number three.

Many of them are not wars of aggression.

I just can't believe that the war on terror is a war on aggression. I fully believe that it is justified to fight terrorists wherever they are. The terrorists struck first, and always do strike first.

The rest of it he is also right on the money. Socialism and communism are very unpopular in America, for many different reasons. If you allow those guys to walk besides you, it will be no different than how liberals view the Tea party. Because some of the members of the tea Party of racist, then all members of the Tea party must be racists, is the most common generalization there is.

No, don't let the Communists and Socialists walk with you they will tarnish your image.

The anger will always be there though, because Wallstreet will not change its ways until hundreds of millions of Americans rise up and ransack their office buildings in protest.

Only until then will our government listen. But never until then.

There's just too much money at stake and it's the greed for money that drives Wallstreet into its immoral and deplorable behaviors.

[liberation]

13. Damn skippy! OWS won't succeed until they behave like the republican party

so y'all can finally return to the good ole' alma matter...

[Douglas Carpenter]

24. yes if OWS can only adopt a pro-war and anti-socialist message that will save it

:think:

[EFerrari]

14. Since you don't have the slightest understanding of #OWS

why on earth do you use "we"? You're transparently not part of the movement and yet feel free to coopt it rhetorically and to issue demands and orders. #UnclearOnTheConcept.

And it's "vee - eh - ment" not "veh - hem - ent".

[liberation]

18. Perhaps the royal "we" was being used?

[swilton]

15. Disagree with his defining the movement objectives

to appease the tea party crowd-The tea-party crowd is already being drawn to OWS; those who don't join in probably wouldn't belong anyway.

To label the movement as failing is very strong - how would failure be defined? The movement has already put income inequality on the front pages...

The argument presented is based upon OWS capturing the 99% label - it would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater to condemn the movement for want of a better definition of percentages.

[CJCRANE]

17. IMO he misunderstands the difference between representation and approval.

OWS represents and fights for the rights of the 99% whether everyone understands and approves or not.

[mmonk]

25. That's the part that escapes them. The part of the 99% that doesn't

understand because they believe something the 1% says.

[zeemike]

19. Well I hate to burst your bubble but

The tea parties will agree with none of tha....and I dare say that no thing you can think of they will agree with.
That is why they dived people up like they do....the tea baggers have been fed a constant supply of hate and loathing for the left and they will only say that you want those things so you can have a socialist take over...or some such paranoid thing.
And if you kick everyone out that does not dress in brooks brother attire it still won't matter because if they don't have the ammunition to ridicule with they will just make it up...that is what O'Keeffe and Brightbart specialize in.
The only way to victory is to change their mindes...and thy will not...cannot change that as long as they listen to Fox and National Hate Radio.
The key to wining is in the young people...just as it was during the Viet Nam and civil right era.

[Butch350]

21. Did any of you even listen...

This individual made a lot of good points and all of your replies are
the standard typical DU chit-chat.

How many of you sitting behind those keyboards ever got off your
butts to participate in anything other than to whine and complain here
in the DU "Clique gathering Bitch and do Nothing Squad".

[liberation]

22. Oh, the irony....

[blackspade]

23. I definitely do not agree with this video as a whole.

While he makes a good point about staying 'on message', he undermines himself with false equivalencies.
The Communist Party does not equal the KKK.
And OWS is in no way similar in its origin to the tea-party, a right wing sponsored astro-turf creation.

Polling shows that this is a much more liberal country than the M$M, politicians, and their corporate masters want us to realize.
Huge majorities support socialist policies like medicare, universal health coverage, taxing the rich, and social security.

[Jack Rabbit]

26. Counterpoint

The Communist Party USA and other far left groups were fellow travelers in the civil rights movement, the opposition to the war in Vietnam in the sixties and the opposition to the invasion and occupation of Iraq in the last decade. That didn't stop any of these movements.

Of course, there were some who attempted to paint all who participated in such movements as Communists, but the people with the paint brushes were and continue to be far right fringe in their own right, the Klan and the Birchers of the sixties and the Tea Party of today. These people don't know the difference between Karl Marx and Groucho Marx. They thought that anybody -- anybody -- who believed that black people were equal to whites was a Communist. They claimed that Martin Luther King was a Communist. These days, they believe that anybody who believes that politicians should not be bought and sold on the free market is a Communist.

When the occupiers claim to be the 99%, they are not claiming there is a political platform that can be supported by 99% of the voters. That is a pipe dream. They are saying that 99% of Americans have not benefited from economic growth over the last 30 years. That is the truth and it is supported by empirical facts.

The Occupy movement will continue to grow and ultimately succeed because it is just common sense. The present system of deregulation in the markets has led to a massive maldistribution of wealth, a loss of jobs at home and outright fraud on a monumental scale. That system is unsustainable and, if it is not altered, will collapse like a poorly constructed building and crush the 99% and the 1% alike under its weight.

[Douglas Carpenter]

27. indeed, the New Deal, the labor movement and certainly the civil rights movement owes a lot to the

Communist Party and to numerous other socialist organizations. Their organizing participation had everything to do with their success. That doesn't mean that the labor movement, the New Deal and the civil rights movement were all communist or socialist in nature - because most of the people involved were not particularly ideological. The idea that the OWS must purge itself of elements that have a socialist inclination is ludicrous. Because the OWS like almost every other great social movement of the last hundred years has a strong - albeit not exclusively - socialist element. I really cannot think of any great movement for change in the past one hundred years that did not.