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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:33 AM
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Your allotted amount of free speech has expired!
 
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Posted on YouTube: November 28, 2011
By YouTube Member: LainieDuro
Views on YouTube: 562
 
Posted on DU: November 29, 2011
By DU Member: kas125
Views on DU: 5065
 
Just saw this posted on facebook. Evidently, now there's a three hour limit on freedom of speech, at least in Texas. And if you see a group of protesters, like what they're saying and join them, you aren't allowed your three hours, your time starts when theirs did.
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James48 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:59 AM
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1. Texas Stasi.
I last saw this Texas-type police behavior in communist East Germany in 1989. In 1989, the Stasi employed 91,015 persons full time, including 2,000 fully employed unofficial collaborators, 13,073 soldiers and 2,232 officers of GDR army, along with 173,081 unofficial informants inside GDR.


Their job was to stifle any political opposition to the people in power.


God- how soon we forget.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:26 AM
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9. Plus one! "God- how soon we forget."
We forget at our peril.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:40 AM
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2. OccupyTheBallot

Time to run the powers-that-be out of their thrones

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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:21 AM
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3. Incredible! According to the 2nd video at that link, if others show up later . . .
. . . they'll immediately be in violation of a 3-hour limit?
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:36 AM
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4. Yep, that's what they said. If you join them, your three hours start
when theirs did. And when asked, they wouldn't answer how long a period of time needs to go by before you can protest again without the three hours being counted against you. This country is so well and truly fucked, and too many people aren't paying attention so it will continue to happen.
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:31 AM
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7. Here's something from Occupy Austin's facebook page [my emphasis added in bold] --->
Occupy Austin
Attention Occupiers!! For all questions/concerns regarding the 3-hour time limit on your free speech rights at the Texas State Capitol, please contact Julie Fields, Public Information Coordinator for the Texas State Preservation Board. Her direct office line is 512.463.6271. Also, her email is spbadmin@tspb.state.tx.us. Enjoy!

< snip >

Occupy Austin
From a non-occupier:: "As one of your constituents, I am writing to call your attention to a serious infringement of constitutional protections in the way that State Preservation Board rule #111.20 is being applied to members of Occupy Austin, specifically over this past weekend. A video of officers citing rule #111.20 to eject people from the Capitol grounds can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/​watch?v=v-1CNf7_GpE&feature​=player_embedded. I am not a member of Occupy Austin, but I am outraged at how this rule is being used to shut down a political protest. I believe the SPB is authorized to make such rules under statue 443.018, which clearly states that such rules "may not be applied in a manner that violates a person's rights under the Texas Constitution or the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, including the right of persons peaceably to assemble." Anyone viewing the youtube video can plainly see that the rule is being used to deny legitimate, constitutionally protected political activities.

I urge you to look into this matter and stop the unconstitutional use of this rule. "

Find out who represents you here:
http://​www.fyi.legis.state.tx.us/

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:patriot:

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:29 AM
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11. It's not unconstitutional when fascists do it.
:grr:
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JRinMI Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:40 PM
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20. Just called Julie Fields
While a bit rude, she was informative. She told me that there was a miscommunication and that everyone has the right to assemble 24-7 at the capitol. Funny how these cockroaches flinch when they're held to the letter of the law, which they're supposed to be enforcing anyway.
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:45 AM
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12. Here's yet another video---apparently made the next day --->
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Liberaltalker Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:38 AM
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5. Spv 111.30 or what ever its called
Sounds unconstitutional to me... Hope it gets challenged in court. I wonder what the actual language of the law is and when it was enacted?
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:11 AM
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6. Where were the lovers of 'liberty' and the 1st and 2nd amendments when this went down? Oh, right...
They were busy listening to patriot radio and Faux Newz. My bad.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:28 AM
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10. Plus one! nt
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:18 AM
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8. If you put another quarter in the slot can you get you next 3 hours with the politicians XD
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 05:18 AM by pam4water
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april Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 08:18 AM
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13. r u kidding me ? where did they get 3 hours!
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 08:38 AM
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14. Some law makers must have watched a lot of Gilligan's Island
when they wrote that law.

I mean why 3 hours? It could be 2, it could be 4, it could be 12.

A 3 hour tour...

I can not find a time limit on free speech in the Constitution.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:18 PM
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23. Like "3 strikes" -- they love sports inspired laws apparently
3 strikes and you're....IN!

If no protestors win the protest within 3 hours then it is declared a stalemate and you must return to finish the game, I mean protest, on another date. The game clock starts when any player arrives on the field. Players entering the game later do not reset the game clock.
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anon-y-moose Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 08:40 AM
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15. kohlberg stage 4 cop reasoning
kohlberg stage 4 cop reasoning.
look it up, read....
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votesparks Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 09:39 AM
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16. First Amendment Trumps
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 09:40 AM by votesparks
All local ordinances that limit the First Amendment.
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2QT2BSTR8 Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 10:39 AM
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17. "There is NO Free Speech Zone anywhere on the Capitol Grounds"
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 11:22 AM
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18. No. only well-paid, corporate and commercial speech is allowed. Thanks, TX GOP majority!
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 11:49 AM
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19. A Federal Judge should be brought in
to reverse this. THIS IS ridiculous! Shameful.
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They_Live Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:04 PM
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21. I just made a call to Julie Fields
at the Texas State Preservation Board. She said they are currently working on a press release which will clear up the issue of "Events" (a planned event in which an organization reserves space, which cannot exceed 3 hours), and free speech/ public assembly which can take place 24/7/365. I then asked her if they would be informing the State Troopers about this newly enlightened viewpoint. She said, "Oh YES!"

Our calls have already had an impact. Thanks for everyone who paid attention, took action, and spread the word.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:27 PM
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22. could have fun with this Find out when the tea party is planning something there
have someone show up about 3 hrs early with some sort of mis spelled sign.
get that clock a ticking
Tea Party shows up and find out their 3 hrs are over....


be worth a couple of beers......
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 10:11 PM
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24. Good one, but that knife cuts both ways... n/t
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James48 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 12:28 AM
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26. ++1100+++ n/t
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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 12:24 AM
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25. US Constitutional rights only last 3 hrs?
Sounds like the police are violating citizens' constitutional right and should be arrested.
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James48 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 01:17 AM
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27. Time to serve them some of these:
A "Constitutional Color of Law" Warning notice:

http://tinyurl.com/Constitutional-Warning

And make sure they understand you intend to contact the F.B.I. and will be asking to have THEM arrested.


Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241
Conspiracy Against Rights

This statute makes it unlawful for two or more persons to conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person of any state, territory or district in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him/her by the Constitution or the laws of the United States, (or because of his/her having exercised the same).

It further makes it unlawful for two or more persons to go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another with the intent to prevent or hinder his/her free exercise or enjoyment of any rights so secured.

Punishment varies from a fine or imprisonment of up to ten years, or both; and if death results, or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years, or for life, or may be sentenced to death.

See also:

Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242
Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law

Title 42, U.S.C., Section 14141
Pattern and Practice

Etc. Etc. Etc.

More:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/federal-statutes#section242
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 01:39 AM
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28. M$M would never discuss this.
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-11 04:35 AM
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29. is false arrest concidered kidnapping? NT
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