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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:30 PM
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Good Morning America learns that Bin Laden is CIA
 
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:46 PM
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1. I've said it in a few places here . . .
. . . look up the wanted poster for bin Laden at the FBI's most wanted site.

OK, I"ll save you the trouble. Here it is: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

Notice anything conspicuously missing?
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 06:53 PM
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2. The wanted poster doesn't specifically mention the 911 "attack".
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 07:07 PM by balantz
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:26 PM
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3. Washington Post reporter, Dan Eggen, whistles government tune on Osama bin Laden


August 29, 2006 – In the Monday, August 28, 2006 edition of the Washington Post appeared an article by Washington Post Staff Writer, Dan Eggen, titled Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings? Staff Writer, Sari Horwitz is listed as having contributed to the report. In the article, the Washington Post attempts to explain to its readers why the FBI’s Osama bin Laden Ten Most Wanted poster makes no direct mention to Osama bin Laden being wanted for the events of September 11, 2001. Eggen and Horwitz make no mention whatsoever as to what prompted them to write this article at this time.

It is clear that the Muckraker Report article, FBI says, “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11” has been circulated extensively since it was published on June 6, 2006. It is also obvious that when I.N.N. World Report ran a segment on the Muckraker Report article during its June 7, 2006 newscast after FBI spokesman Rex Tomb confirmed his quotation in the Muckraker Report article to I.N.N. World Report News Editor, Claire Brown, awareness of the curious omission of 9/11 from the FBI’s Osama bin Laden Most Wanted poster was certain to become widespread across the Internet.

The Washington Post makes no reference to the news sources responsible for its story. Instead Eggen and Horwitz presented their article as if the topic originated from their own research. They’re not alone. Last week, MSNBC show, Countdown with Keith Olbermann ran a short segment on the fact that the FBI’s Osama bin Laden Most Wanted poster makes no mention of 9/11. In both instances, the Washington Post and MSNBC failed to mention that the FBI is on record, confirmed by two independent news sources, as saying that the reason Osama bin Laden is not officially wanted by the FBI for 9/11, is because it has “No hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.” However, there is a big difference between how the Washington Post and Countdown reported this story. Keith Olbermann accurately implied the absolute absurdity associated with the fact that Osama bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster didn’t mention 9/11, nearly five years after the fact! The Washington Post on the other hand, engaged in white lie plagiarism while once again assuming the role of media mockingbird. From a journalistic standpoint, I.N.N. World Report and the Muckraker Report have done a better job presenting the facts to the public on this topic than the Washington Post.

In its article, the Washington Post has resorted to the last line of defense against independent news sources, such as the Muckraker Report, that ask probing questions regarding the government’s official version of 9/11. As its last resort, the Washington Post and the rest of the so-called mainstream media have been reduced to name calling and labeling as conspiracy theorists, any independent investigative reporting on 9/11 that challenges the shortcomings of the government’s official version and post 9/11 actions. Why the Washington Post is so eager to zealously endorse the government version of 9/11 is a peculiarity worthy of its own investigative report.

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http://muckrakerreport.com/id293.html
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 05:06 PM
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16. Good find
Here's something from the article referenced above:

http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html
. . .

On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”



Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing statement, I asked, “How this was possible?” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.” I asked, “How does that work?” Tomb continued, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.”



It shouldn’t take long before the full meaning of these FBI statements start to prick your brain and raise your blood pressure. If you think the way I think, in quick order you will be wrestling with a barrage of very powerful questions that must be answered. First and foremost, if the U.S. government does not have enough hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11, how is it possible that it had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan to “smoke him out of his cave?” The federal government claims to have invaded Afghanistan to “root out” Bin Laden and the Taliban. Through the talking heads in the mainstream media, the Bush Administration told the American people that Usama Bin Laden was Public Enemy Number One and responsible for the deaths of nearly 3000 people on September 11, 2001. Yet nearly five years later, the FBI says that it has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.

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jph wacheski Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:33 PM
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4. well yeah he was indeed a CIA operative,.
This is know history, for those that care to read at all,.. the secret organisation known as the CIA funded Bin Laden to fight the USSR, then they used him as the evil terrorist symbol, PNAC was the evil group of sociopathic terrorists that pulled 9/11! The official conspiracy theory is so full of holes and blatant lies and misrepresentations,. why do I even need to type these words is this not clear to all of you?!?

go to WTC7.net and watch the videos of the third skyscraper to be destroyed on 9/11 as it is demolished,. If you can watch that, and not see the truth,. an obvious Controlled Demolition,. then you are truly lost.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:28 PM
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5. Amen to that jph! K&R!
Welcome to DU. :hi:
Everyone look up "Tim Osman" for yourselves.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:43 PM
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6. No way dude. It was totally the Martians
Except for the first plane - that one was remote piloted by Dick Cheney. Notice how he has never denied that claim. Aha!

But really. Bin Laden was never funded directly by the CIA. Some CIA money might have fallen into his hands with all the cash we were pumping into Afghanistan, but that's unlikely simply because Bin Laden himself was a financier of the anti-USSR insurgency like the CIA was, not a fighter. The CIA gave money primarily to Ahmed Shah Massoud, Abdul Haq, and Hekmatyer - warlords who had shown their willingness and skill at attacking Soviet forces. There is no evidence to suggest that Bin Laden ever had direct contact with American intelligence. Did we pour money and weapons into the same men that would later become Sunni terrorists? Hell, yea. But there's no evidence I've ever read about to imply a CIA-Bin Laden connection except their many half-ass attempts to kill him in the 90s.

As far as the video, well, a clever person once said "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Simply looking at a video and thinking, wow that looks like a demolition is a few light-years from being extraordinary evidence to prove the extraordinary claim that the Bush Administration attacked America on 9-11.

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sss1977 Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 02:07 AM
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7. I think the extraordinary claim is the official story.
So you say potato, I say potato.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 07:41 AM
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9. And the extraordinary evidence is there to prove it.
The documented history of Bin Laden and his activities is deep and open to the public, for most of it. I just finished reading one of the most fascinating books on the subject: Ghost Wars by Steve Coll. An absolutely incredible read, it details the history of the CIA and Afghanistan from the Soviet invasion of 1979 to the attacks of 9-11.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:54 AM
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8. Fucking Martian ingrates--and after we saved them from the Ratzis in DubyaDubyaTwo.
oh my god. "Dubya" Dubya Two. I just realized the connection. Wheels within wheels, man.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 07:41 AM
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10. Pass the doobie, man!
:rofl:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 08:01 AM
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11. Conspiracy rhetoric aside, it's not clear that Osama was a CIA agent.
Edited on Wed Dec-05-07 08:02 AM by Perry Logan
CNN journalist Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997, calls the idea "that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden ... a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. ... Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. ... The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Alleged_CIA_involvement

Even if Osama was an agent, it seems highly unlikely that the CIA would hire a known asset to pull off their secret job. As always, the "inside job" scenario makes far less sense than the official story.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 09:16 AM
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12. so interesting there is so much shit going on behind the backs
of the American people, if we knew this administration would be behind bars where they belong. Sickening absolutely sickening.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 02:26 PM
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13. wow, I am shocked that this stuff is on GMA
The soccer moms heads must be exploding!
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:43 PM
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14. Degrees of Separation.
From Peter Dale Scott;

"The following is a footnoted extract from my book, The Road to 9/11: Wealth, Empire, and the Future of America. It deals with the matter (and quotes from, among others, Peter Bergen). The book will be out next year from University of California Press."

In 1981, Casey of the CIA, Prince Turki of Saudi intelligence, and the ISI worked together to create a Foreign Legion of jihadi Muslims or so-called "Arab Afghans" (who in fact were never Afghans and not always Arabs) in Afghanistan.<1> The foreigners were supported by the Services Center (Makhtab al-Khidmat, or MAK) of the Jordanian Palestinian Abdullah Azzam, in the offices of the World Muslim League and Muslim Brotherhood in Peshawar, Pakistan.<2>

This project did not emanate from the Afghan resistance but was imposed on it. According to the Spanish author Robert Montoya, the idea originated in the elite “Safari Club” created by French intelligence chief Alexandre de Marenches in 1976, bringing together other intelligence chiefs such as Gen. Akhtar Abdur Rahman of ISI in Pakistan, and Kamal Adham of Saudi Arabia.<3>

The relationship of the CIA to the Arab Afghans, the MAK, and bin Laden has been much debated. Jason Burke denies the frequently-made claim that “bin Laden was funded by the CIA.”<4> The 911 Commission Report goes further, and asserts that “Bin Ladin and his comrades had their own sources of support and training, and they received little or no assistance from the United States.”<5>

But as we shall explore in the next chapter, MAK Centers in America, such as the al Kifah Center in Brooklyn, were in the 1980s a major source of both recruitment and finance for the MAK, if only because America was one of the few countries in which such recruitment and financing were tolerated and even protected. “Millions of dollars each year” are said to have been raised for the MAK in Brooklyn alone.<6>

In addition Jalaluddin Haqqani, the chief host in Afghanistan to the so-called “Arab Afghans,” “received bags of money each month from the station in Islamabad.”<7> (This was an exception to the general rule that CIA aid was funneled through General Zia and the ISI in Pakistan, cited by Jason Burke as the reason why CIA funding “would have been impossible.”)<8>

Peter Bergen, in arguing that the CIA “had very limited dealings” with the Arab Afghans, concedes that “the CIA did help an important recruiter for the Arab Afghans, the Egyptian cleric Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman.” Sheikh Rahman, despite his known involvement with Egyptian terrorists, “was issued a visa for the United States in 1987 and a multiple-entry visa in 1990 at least one of the visas was issued by a CIA officer working undercover in the consular section of the American embassy in Sudan.”<9> (This was in addition to the visas reluctantly issued in Jeddah by Michael Springman, as noted earlier.)

John Cooley describes the Sheikh as “helpmate to the CIA in recruiting young zealots, especially among Arab-Americans in the United States, for the jihad in Afghanistan.”<10> Those recruited through the Al Kifah Center in Brooklyn were trained (as we shall see) by a former CIA contract agent, Ali Mohamed, another Egyptian with connections to the same terrorist group as Sheikh Rahman. Eventually both Sheikh Rahman and Ali Mohamed would be convicted for their involvement in 1990s al Qaeda plots. But before that (as we shall see) both men had enjoyed a surprising degree of FBI protection, in Mohamed’s case because he was the FBI’s original informant on al Qaeda.

<1> Steve Coll, Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001 (New York: Penguin Press, 2004), 156-57.

<2> Rashid, Taliban, 131.

<3> Roberto Montoya, El Mundo (Madrid), 2/16/03, http://www.el-mundo.es/cronica/2003/383/1045404347.html. For more on de Marenches, the Safari Club, and Afghanistan, see Doug Vaughan, Covert Action Quarterly, Fall 1993; John Cooley, Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America, and International Terrorism (London: Pluto, 1999), 25-28..

<4> Jason Burke, Al-Qaeda: The True Story of Radical Islam (London: I.B. Tauris, 2004), 59.

<5> 911 Commission Report, 56.

<6> Peter Lance, 1000 Years for Revenge (New York: Regan Books/ Harper Collins, 2003), 41-42.

<7> Coll, Ghost Wars, 157 (host); Crile, Charlie Wilson’s War, 521 (bags of money).

<8> Burke, Al-Qaeda, 59.

<9> Peter L. Bergen, Holy War, Inc.: Inside the Secret World of Osama bin Laden (New York: Free Press, 2001), 66-67.

<10> John K. Cooley, Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America, and International Terrorism (London: Pluto Press, 1999), 41.


Ahmed's Rashid's "Taliban" is an oft-cited history of Afghanistan that chronicles the rise of the Taliban. Along the way, Rashid drops some useful information that he has gathered during his on-the-ground, on-the-scene journalism expeditions:

"...in 1986, CIA chief William Casey had stepped up the war against the Soviet Union by taking three significant, but at that time highly secret, measures. He had persuaded the U.S. Congress to provide the Mujaheddin with American-made Stinger anti-aircraft missiles to shoot down Soviet planes and provide U.S. advisers to train the guerrillas. Until then no US-made weapons or personnel had been used directly in the war effort. The CIA, Britain's MI6 and the ISI also agreed on a provocative plan to launch guerrilla attacks into the Soviet Socialist Republics of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, the soft Muslim underbelly of the Soviet state from where Soviet troops in Afghanistan received their supplies. The task was given to the ISI's favourite Mujaheddin leader Gulbuddin Hikmetyar. In March 1987, small units crossed the Amu Darya river from bases in northern Afghanistan and launched their first rocket attacks against villages in Tajikistan. Casey was delighted with the news, and on his next secret trip to Pakistan he crossed the border into Afghanistan with President Zia to review the Mujaheddin groups.

Thirdly, Casey committed CIA support to a long-standing ISI initiative to recruit Muslims from around the world to come to Pakistan and fight with the Afghan Mujaheddin. The ISI had encouraged this since 1982 and by now all the other players had their reasons for supporting the idea." p.129

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"His father backed the Afghan struggle and helped fund it, so when Bin Laden decided to join up, his family responded enthusiastically. He first traveled to Peshawar in 1980 and met the Mujaheddin leaders, returning frequently with Saudi donations for the cause until 1982, when he decided to settle in Peshawar. He brought in his company engineers and heavy construction equipment to help build roads and depots for the Mujaheddin. In 1986, he helped build the Khost tunnel complex, which the CIA was funding as a major arms storage depot, training facility and medical center for the Mujaheddin, deep under the mountains close to the Pakistan border. For the first time in Khost he set up his own training camp for Arab Afghans, who now increasingly saw this lanky, wealthy and charismatic Saudi as their leader.

'To counter these atheist Russians, the Saudis chose me as their representative in Afghanistan,' Bin Laden said later. 'I settled in Pakistan in the Afghan border region. There I received volunteers who came from the Saudi Kingdom and from all over the Arab and Muslim countries. I set up my fist camp where these volunteers were trained by Pakistani and American officers. The weapons were supplied by the Americans, the money by the Saudis." p.132

Page numbers from the 2001 Yale Note Bene paperback reprint.


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DAN RATHER, CBS ANCHOR: As the United states and its allies in the war on terrorism press the hunt for Osama bin Laden, CBS News has exclusive information tonight about where bin Laden was and what he was doing in the last hours before his followers struck the United States September 11.

This is the result of hard-nosed investigative reporting by a team of CBS news journalists, and by one of the best foreign correspondents in the business, CBS`s Barry Petersen. Here is his report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) BARRY PETERSEN, CBS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Everyone remembers what happened on September 11. Here`s the story of what may have happened the night before. It is a tale as twisted as the hunt for Osama bin Laden.

CBS News has been told that the night before the September 11 terrorist attack, Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan. He was getting medical treatment with the support of the very military that days later pledged its backing for the U.S. war on terror in Afghanistan.

Pakistan intelligence sources tell CBS News that bin Laden was spirited into this military hospital in Rawalpindi for kidney dialysis treatment. On that night, says this medical worker who wanted her identity protected, they moved out all the regular staff in the urology department and sent in a secret team to replace them. She says it was treatment for a very special person. The special team was obviously up to no good.

"The military had him surrounded," says this hospital employee who also wanted his identity masked, "and I saw the mysterious patient helped out of a car. Since that time," he says, "I have seen many pictures of the man. He is the man we know as Osama bin Laden. I also heard two army officers talking to each other. They were saying that Osama bin Laden had to be watched carefully and looked after." Those who know bin Laden say he suffers from numerous ailments, back and stomach problems. Ahmed Rashid, who has written extensively on the Taliban, says the military was often there to help before 9/11.

AHMED RASHID, TALIBAN EXPERT: There were reports that Pakistani intelligence had helped the Taliban buy dialysis machines. And the rumor was that these were wanted for Osama bin Laden.

PETERSEN (on camera): Doctors at the hospital told CBS News there was nothing special about that night, but they refused our request to see any records. Government officials tonight denied that bin Laden had any medical treatment on that night.

(voice-over): But it was Pakistan`s President Musharraf who said in public what many suspected, that bin Laden suffers from kidney disease, saying he thinks bin Laden may be near death. His evidence, watching this most recent video, showing a pale and haggard bin Laden, his left hand never moving. Bush administration officials admit they don`t know if bin Laden is sick or even dead.

DONALD RUMSFELD, DEFENSE SECRETARY: With respect to the issue of Osama bin Laden`s health, I just am -- don`t have any knowledge.

PETERSEN: The United States has no way of knowing who in Pakistan`s military or intelligence supported the Taliban or Osama bin Laden maybe up to the night before 9/11 by arranging dialysis to keep him alive. So the United States may not know if those same people might help him again perhaps to freedom.

Barry Petersen, CBS News, Islamabad.

(END VIDEOTAPE) END
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO311A.html
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 04:58 PM
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15. Kick & Nominated
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 05:18 PM
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17. I'll add the Bin Laudin family was let fly out with help from
Aschcroft during the No Fly period to escape

The Justice Department isn't being upfront with Americans

and we have never captured the murderers of the Anthrax killers and the 911 killers
there still out there and the FBI knows it
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