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Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 03:55 PM by Diclotican
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Have never been in the Soviet Union, but I do have been to some of the eastern block country, both before the wall and after.. I was young then and possible not the most dangerous of enemies.. But I remember very well that the custom offices was very strict, and you was locking very closely before you was given your passport again.. But as a foreigner in a country in dear need of hard cash, you was pretty well sheltered from some of the more evil types of police I guess.. The officers in the area with the hotels was pretty polite, specially with the kids, they may had some kids on their own so I guess they was polite then.. But for the most part we don't se so much about the police.. But the area was off limits for ordinary citizens, something I believe it to be little weird both then and now.. But after the wall was tearn down, and the freedom was coming all that was over in a heart beat.. But it was AFTER the cold war was over that the Police was coming out in force, to protect the tourist from the bad folks.. The checpoints around the area who the hotels was, was pretty many, and the gun they was using was not beebee guns... Rather the AK47 assult rifle
And the police was too better equipments and use much more force when provoked.. I was never in problems, but I do know a few who was really into police with the bulgarian authority.. And they are not nice when using their battons...
You are coming a long way if you just try to respect the authorities and try to explain, as best you can what happened.. For the most part, in europe I believe, the police have not that "hands on" approach as many other have, and you can reason with them, if you just are calm, and try you best to explain what happened.. Have been into the police once or twice, and everyone they have ben polite, and decent with my.. But then I am very calm when talking to the police.. If you don't respect the person, respect the uniform at least..
Well, a officer have to try to do its best then, if the milk in his coffee was bad. He cant just beat the hell out of the first he encounter.. I really doubt a officer of the law, have the right to just say "I don't like they gay" an then use violence?:. At least it should not be that... I know that if you have a bad day, the temper can blow out even for the most peacefully man.. But for the most part the officers have to give much before they snap..Many officers I know about, are been treated very badly when encounter the public.. Shouting, yelling and disrespect... SO I guess some of them get enough, and then....
It is maybe like you say, but even with the heart of enforcement thing,they have to follow the law.. And if they don't, they are coming into more problems then it was worth I guess.. They SHOULD be asked for more information if challenged, maybe the information they was given was wrong, or misleading?.. Maybe the case was not that bad as it sound in the radio?.. Many police officers are maybe in the wrong line of work, if they don't are to be reason with?.. It is IMPORTANT to learn that you have to get the oversight before you are hitting down the victim.. And I believe that many american officers are using much more force than strictly necessary when arresting people.. But then many people are too using more violence against the police then necessarily too.. But in this case the woman was in no position to resist what the officers wanted to do I guess?...
The gun issue, where you have almost free availability to gun are maybe one of the reason police officers are so hard?. I cant for the best of my life understand the necessarily of claiming right to bear arms everywhere and to use it when threatened.. This is a "silly" system for me, a system I really cant comprehend even that I tried to understand it once.. Ordinary civilians are in no need to have full automatic weapon in the home.. And i doubt that M15 are been used to hung dear or something like that... It is just not the type of weapon...
It must be terrifying to be in a like of work who the only trustworthy is if them you stop are in the same line of work?.. I know that many american are just to trigger happy, and that many police officers die in the line of duty.. But can this fear of everyone else coming because of the almost free weapon laws in many US states?.. I don't know the situation in other european country's but in Norway the law with weapon are one of the strictest in the world, and you can get a stiff fine if you don't follow the regulation.. Maybe even a prison time.. You can clearly NOT drive the car, and have a Shot gun in the back, just to protect yourself against "criminals".. But we have had some bad accident the last couple of year here to.. So not everything is perfect even in a country where you have to be in a hunting club, or a pistol club to get a license to have a firearm.. And then to have it in special lockers to boot...
It is possible that you are right. When you are been teach that everyone else, are dangerous and criminals, it is very easy to use the same thing that criminals are using to try to explain your way out of this type of situations.. It is bad, it should not been happened, and I do hope at least this officer is disciplined as a result.. You don't get two black ayes and been send to hospital for treatment just because you have fallen down... If you are not been beated you are not been locking like that.. But even I know about how to beat the famous hell out of someone, and don't give that result like this man was given a woman. THis man, who beat a woman are just a coward in my book. You just don't BEAT woman, Period!
The same have I encountered in the old eastern block system. If you just help them to get goods they don't have, you was pretty well off.. And it was always a possibility to reason with the authority.. If you treat them well, them treat you well.. And as a foreigner we was given maybe even better treatment then the regular was given...
Home for many year the old folks home was given a Christmas gift for a family we was knowing in Bulgaria.. Some food, soap, and some cloth and its like.. Things they was in deer need of, and who was also possible to get other things when they exchange it for something else.. And it was always given to them.. And we was always given a long letter, in german home after the Holiday where they was thanking for the gifts and so on;).. So our wealth was been given back in some way..
Diclotican
Sorry my bad English, not my native language
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