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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-08-10 07:33 PM
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So help me God I will curbjaw the next person ...
Another Deficit of Trust

by John Cole

The crux of the foodfight is his post several months back in which he asserted that the WH intentionally did not put up the text of the Human Rights Campaign speech fast enough on a Saturday night, which started yet another inevitable “Obama Hates The Gays” three day affair on the internet. You may not remember which one of those it was, because it was sandwiched in between a couple days of “Obama hates the womyn folk” because he doesn’t play basketball with them, and a couple of days of “Obama hates the progressives” because he hasn’t shot Lieberman in a dark alley yet but asked Howard Dean to tamp down the rhetoric (hint- one of those two people has a vote in the Senate). Likewise, I don’t want you to get confuse this freak out with the “Obama hates the gays because he has not waved a wand and ended DADT and DOMA” and “Obama hates the gays because Rick Warren gave a shitty speech and was totally outclassed by Gene Robinson and Rev. Lowery.” No doubt, the fact that I have even mentioned this will foster fifty emails and delinkings because I am not gay friendly.

But here is the thing- Steve says he has private information, and I just don’t want to hear it. The piece making the assertion was public- very public, and if he and others have evidence that this was intentionally done, then I want it out there so I can beat up on the WH Communications Office. I don’t want private assurances, because right now I see a real deficit of trust between the beltway progressive activists who call themselves the base and a lot of the rest of the party who look and think like me and many of the people here.

I’m new to this whole party, so I haven’t quite figured out the whole history of all the infighting yet, but I have to tell you that there are a number of people like me who worked their ass off last year trying to get Obama elected, and who would still crawl over glass to get him elected again. We are just sick and tired of the unending negativity in some quarters and tired of being told that we are vastly outnumbered by the disaffected (but loudest) few, when polls show Obama with up to 90% of liberal support. So help me God I will curbjaw the next person who savages Obama on Fox and then has the balls to use the “Overton window” as a defense. I’m sick and tired of people writing pieces flaying the administration alive and then saying “but I only wish the best for the admin.” I’m sick and tired of people looking at the HCR bill and picking out only the things they dislike, ignoring all the positive aspects that make folks like Feingold and Sanders willing to vote for it- but that isn’t good enough for our progressive betters on the blogs and in the media.

...

But right now-I just don’t trust the beltway progressives any more than the beltway Republicans, even though on a lot of issues I think the progressive activists are probably right about policy. What I see going on are the same hysterical types of responses to everything that we get from Republicans, only the position on the issues has changed.


http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=34284

This was posted in GD. Since I'm not supposed to link to it, I decided to make my own post here 'cause I think we all can kinda relate ...

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-08-10 07:57 PM
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1. I was just about to post this. A most righteous rant!
Cole's blog is great. All BOGs should read him. He keeps me sane. (My sig line is a great quote of his from the Obama vs GOP "debate".)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-08-10 08:20 PM
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2. And, that's why I call them whiners
instead of critics bc they're not constructive..just massive whining.

They think they're helping..no, they're in the way.

I'm new to this infighting too..I got into politics in 2000. Course, I wondered how people could believe that "bush and Gore were tweedle dumb and tweedle dee".

Cole has some very good points and has an interesting way of putting it.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-08-10 08:44 PM
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3. couldn't give you a k/r so gave you a valentine instead
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 01:36 PM
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4. K
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 03:17 AM
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5. kicked
:kick:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 06:15 AM
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6. You know, the Democrats haven't been a cohesive party since the Roosevelt days.
Edited on Thu Feb-11-10 06:19 AM by Drunken Irishman
It seems we're not happy unless we're bickering and blaming and fighting. Which serves no purpose, mind you. It only creates larger rifts between every social group within this great party. And yes, I still believe the Democratic Party is great. I guess this is the burden of being such a diverse party.

You know, the Republicans fight, too, but they never cave. They're always there to rally behind their leaders. Bush was not very well liked by conservatives toward the end of his presidency, yet they stuck with him to the bitter end. McCain didn't lose because he failed to get out the Republican vote. They voted for him. They swallowed their pride and went against their better judgement, but they voted for him. He lost because the moderate voters felt more comfortable with Pres. Obama and the liberals finally despised the Republicans so much, they actually went out and voted for the Democrat.

They did that in 2004, too, but it wasn't enough to offset the moderate support Bush received in many key states (Florida, Missouri, New Mexico, Iowa).

That's the problem. The Democratic Party has had a rift since the 60s and it isn't healing. We just change each aspect of the divide.

In the 1960s, it was the anti-war activists. I'm not going to debate the merits of their cause, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the division sprung out of the Vietnam War hurt Democrats more than it did Republicans. Even though it was a Republican president who openly lied to the American people about that war. It didn't stop him from winning in a landslide. Yet it stopped the New Deal-era of the Democratic Party cold in its tracks. LBJ was the last New Deal president we've had. RFK might've been able to win had he not been gunned down and Hubert Humphrey certainly was progressive, but he lost. Humphrey got his butt kicked in the electoral college in 1968 and that paved the way for Nixon.

We haven't been the same since.

I've said it many times before, the 60s ruined the Democratic Party. Everything gained from the FDR administration went up in smoke because the party found itself collapsing from within. And it isn't to say all of it was bad. I believe the purging of the southern racists during the civil rights era surely made the party more pure in that regard. But it did hurt. It cost the Democrats the south and when they lost the south, it took decades to recover.

But the civil rights era of the 60s led to racial tension in the 70s and 80s. The Democrats gained a very reliable voting block out of the civil rights movement - but it also once again created a divide among the blue collar whites brought into the party during the Roosevelt administration. Those voters were racist and didn't like the fact the Democrats appeared to advocate more for the poor & minorities than they were for the white working class folk of many northern rust-belt states.

Nixon played this divide well and because of it, slaughtered the liberal McGovern in 1972. The only NE state the Democrats won that year was Vermont. They couldn't even carry Massachusetts, which had solidly supported Humphrey four years earlier.

Let's face it, the only reason the Democrats didn't fall into total obscurity in the 70s is because Nixon fucked it all up. Had Nixon not done Watergate, he probably goes down as one of the greatest presidents in American history and certainly doesn't damage the Republican brand name enough to allow an unknown and quirky peanut farmer from a rural southern state gain the presidency.

Jimmy Carter only won because Nixon damaged Ford so much early on when Ford pardoned him that he was able to build a huge lead. That election the Democrats almost lost and if it weren't for an idiotic gaffe about the Soviets not having control in Eastern Europe by Ford, he probably does win that election. Which, believe it or not, probably would've benefited the Democratic Party far more than had history played out the way it did. Ford most likely would have had to weather an identical storm as Carter and it would've ruined his presidency like it did Carter's. That means it's extremely likely the Democrats pull a Reagan and win the WH due to high disapproval of the course America was heading in.

That means no Reagan.

But alas, we know how history really played out.

It seems the Democrats haven't been a connected party in decades. We just don't rally behind our presidents and leaders like Republicans do. Maybe some like that. Maybe they feel we shouldn't blindly support our leaders. I agree - to a point. I think it's important, though, to know the progressive ideology will die if Republicans exploit this divide.

It was that divide within the Democratic Party in the 70s & 80s that led to Reagan and Reagan undid a good number of policies enacted by FDR. We're still recovering from that.

Are we ready to throw it all away because Pres. Obama might not be doing it fast enough? Because in the end, what's best for the cause: losing it entirely, or achieving small steps toward our ultimate goal? Democrats work best when they realize the latter is the best.

We've got to stop blaming Obama for everything at this ideology's own peril.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 01:32 PM
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7. This needs to be an OP ...

Well said. I'd like to add some things but don't have the time at the moment to run a coherent thought together.

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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 01:25 PM
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8. Phenomenal post, although I'd go a little bit further back.
Frankly, FDR didn't exactly have a lock-step Democratic party either. He was constantly battling a Democratically controlled Congress (in fact, one of his three "Brain Trust" members was George Norris - a Republican). What's more, that's when the labor unions split apart and started feuding with each other. The enormity of the Great Depression was pretty much the only reason he actually got what he wanted done, which is (fortunately) not something Obama quite has in his employ.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 01:30 PM
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9. Agreed ...

The mythical aura surrounding FDR's administrations makes my brain burn.
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 11:46 PM
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10. I'm happy to claim George Norris!
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:12 PM
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13. Absolutely star post DI.
Edited on Sat Feb-13-10 08:14 PM by TheBigotBasher
There isn't anything I disagree with in there at all, it appears that the Democratic Party prefers to aim bullets at their own feet and not the opposition.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 03:06 PM
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11. Awesome.
I hate hearing that shit.

People here can be as thin-skinned as Republicans. Because no women have asked to play basketball with President Obama, Obama hates women. Because Rick Warren was present at the inauguration (never mind that he was completely outclassed by other, more liberal religious figures), Obama is a horrible bigot who hates gay people and wants to exterminate all of them.

Right now, the only difference between the Dennis Kucinich fan club and the hardcore wingnut Republicans is that the Kucinich fan club happens to have better policy advice. They are both stubborn, touchy, angry, and completely unwilling to compromise.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 03:51 PM
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12. And, they both hate President Obama which
only speaks in Obama's favor.
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