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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:55 PM
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DU is making me more cynical
I used to think liberals were smarter than "conservatives". Now I'm thinking not so much.

Remember that song: "Nation of Assholes?"

Nation of Assholes, Nation of Assholes
I live in a country that's a Nation of Assholes
Idiots and morons, shitheads and jerks
I'm always amazed that anything still works

Flag waving dickheads all up in my face
spouting their bullshit all over the place
I try to ignore them, I try to buck up
But now I just wish that they would shut the fuck up

The oil cartels raise the price as they please
because of these assholes and their damn suv's
With all the pollution and the prices of gas
It all goes to prove they've got their heads up their ass

September 11th hit us like a bomb
Osama attacked us so we captured Saddam
The Iraq occupation makes my teeth gnash
'cause it's not about freedom, it's all about cash

Nation of Assholes, Nation of Assholes
We live in a country thats a Nation of Assholes
Wishing and hoping against all my fears
But then they elected a sphincter with ears.....twice

I used to think this song was just about "conservatives". Now, unfortunately, I have had to expand my understanding of who is an asshole.

I don't like being cynical. It makes me feel old.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:16 PM
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1. Which liberals do you actually compare to those people?
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:20 PM
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2. The ones we all complain about here.
No need to whine about them, I don't think. I am disillusioned though. I really did think we were better.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:33 PM
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3. I could hear it playing in my head
Ahhh, the good old days!
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:29 AM
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4. I have to remind myself ...
...this is not the real world. I mean, it is representative of a certain part of the real world, but that part is overrepresented.

A lot of what goes on here just doesn't happen in most people's lives in any other context. The yelling and the profanity (I'm not prude and can cuss like a sailor myself, but not ALL THE TIME) and the chest-pounding rhetoric just doesn't work when you're faced with a real person in a real situation. I don't want to unnecessarily insult anyone by saying it -- because I realize times are genuinely hard for a lot of people -- but I am very often tempted to ask some who are currently employed how they manage to keep their jobs. Do you really go into that staff meeting with your opinion sitting on your shoulder like an Eveready battery? Do you really wander down to your kid's school every day and pull out your book of the world's most profane insults and give them what for? Do you really stand on the street corner jumping up and down like some wild, enraged beast with spittle showering passersby as you scream into their ear?

If so, what does that get you?

Besides being insensitive, I can't ask these questions because I wouldn't get an honest answer anyway, or I'd get an answer that attempted to deflect the question in an attempt to accuse me of being morally inferior for *not* doing these things.

The real world that consists of real people working very hard to get things done in the realm of politics just isn't like this. I've mentioned it before, but it's worth mentioning again.

I sat in a room full of flat out, card carrying, tree hugging liberals on the day Houston elected a gay woman as mayor. (And as an aside, while Annise Parker is certainly liberal in her political outlook, she is far more like Obama than Kucinich. She's a technocrat who understands what she faces and that she has been elected to serve all the people of Houston, which includes a helluva a lot of people whose livelihood depends on the oil business.) We were all jumping up and down and yelling and hollering and some of us crying, and when she got up to speak and confirm that, yes, Virginia, a gay woman *can* be elected to the fourth largest city in the American despite its being located in the Deep South, her first five minutes of talking were intended to calm us down and remind us that the work had only just begun. It's not a sporting event. The election is the easy part, so let's take all this energy and put it to good use. We milled around talking, still grinning from ear to ear, shaking hands, getting in line to shake her hand ... and not ONCE through the entire thing did I hear a single, hate-filled complaint about President Obama. We talked about concerns and hopes and struggles, but we didn't sit there and bitch incessantly.

My cynicism is directed less toward liberals or even people than it is toward the utility of open discussion forums to achieve positive results. Just look at what we have here: thousands upon thousands of seemingly committed progressive voices just itching to make this country better, to help rebuild it from 8 long years we all suffered through. But guess what? Even in the middle of that 8 long years when the administrators tried to do something positive by putting together an "DU Activist Corps" (it's still there in our profiles ... member, yes or no?), nothing really came of it. Oh, it's there, but what does it do? I gave up on it after the 50th iteration of an e-mail writing campaign was the only "good" idea everyone could agree to. The only "good" idea was one that didn't require anyone to get up off their ass and out of their air conditioned building.

I know there are good people here who work very, very hard, and I even know that some of those hard workers are people who positively hate me and pretty much everyone who hangs out in the BOG. But most of the people who scream and holler and are busy from sunup to sunup posting nothing but vile blathering do not work hard. They just complain, all the time, and they by collective action reduce the efficacy of this place and places like it that could be mustered for the hard work Obama clearly reminded us would be needed the day after the inauguration.

And I'm right there with ya. Sick of them, I am. Of them I am sick. Now pass the green eggs and ham.

I'm bastardizing Dr. Seuss now. I should be in bed ...
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:40 AM
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5. We're all there. . .
I don't want to see "conservatives" win. I can't stand it. These people are batshit crazy.

I could handle the mopey liberals. What I can't handle is having them undermine us so that we get "conservatives" causing more damage.

I want to see the death of "limited government" and "supply-side economics" and "the Bush doctrine" and all of their other bullshit that they have used to destroy our country.

Then the mopey liberals can do whatever they want. Hell, if they could help render the coup de grâce of "conservatives" I'll mope with them.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:58 PM
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7. What a fantastic post.
I've started coming to DU less and less recently, and even let my star expire because of the suffocating stench of stifling stupidity that blankets this place. (I do loves my alliteration.) This is my 3rd day in a row checking DU and I think it's gotten a bit better.

But your post really drives home the type of discourse I would miss if I stopped coming here altogether. See, I would really MISS reading things like this, Roy.

I know there are good people here who work very, very hard, and I even know that some of those hard workers are people who positively hate me and pretty much everyone who hangs out in the BOG.

I agree. The only thing is that I find it nothing short of hilarious the number of folks who are so preoccupied with what is discussed in this forum and who's doing the discussing. Every single Dem has a group on DU, it ain't Obama's fault that the main one with tons of participation (and a slew of "watchers" hating from the outside) is the one for the current President enjoying a 52% approval rating overall, 80+% approval among Dems, and up to 90% approval amongst minorities.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:23 AM
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6. I agree, the far left is just as bad as the far right
When it comes to black and white thinking, for instance. And when it comes to a punitive and authoritarian attitude. Also when it comes to protecting oneself from the other side - blocking them out so that their perspective gets messed up and they think they are mainstream and not a fringe and thus entitled to make demands.

It's funny hearing people demanding that Obama "nationalize" the oil industry, as if a POTUS can just do so. They not only want a left wing dictator, they think they already have one.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:39 PM
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8. Yes, and then when the Blue Dog Center gets to going
It can really feel like there's about 50 sane people in the whole country and they're all here or in the Kerry Forum.

I love that "nationalize it" rant, every time something goes wrong. Somebody should show up at their door and nationalize them and see how they like it.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:58 PM
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9. With you on that --
"Somebody should show up at their door and nationalize them and see how they like it."

That cracked me up. Well said.
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