Um, YUCK!! Did you guys see Hillary?

[beachmom]

http://www.cnn.com/video/

Click Clinton to Obama: Shame on you.


She is out of control and ridiculous.

[ginnyinWI]

1. yes she is.

I heard about it, then watched the live presser with Obama, then CNN played the vid of Hillary. Wow. She really looked ugly. He looked cool, as always. He actually looked very amused, like he was trying not to laugh. Maybe "somebody" fell into "somebody's" trap? Going negative is surely not going to help her any. She just looks ugly now. And anything but Presidential.


edit: And you know something else? It really doesn't matter who is right or wrong--the appearances of each of them matter far more. Most ordinary people are not interested in going into the weeds on health care. They just see what they see.

[StoryTeller]

2. Is there video of Obama's presser?

I didn't get to see it. Saw Hillary's screed. I think she sounded envious of all those "speeches and rallies" personally. :)

[beachmom]

3. I'd like to see Obama, too. Anyone have it? nt

[beachmom]

10. Video here, Storyteller:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/02/23/obama.speech.cnn

I thought he was great. Calm and logical, reasonable. He said she got "exercised". Yep.

[StoryTeller]

18. Thank you! That was a terrific response.

Wow, what a difference between the two. That was awesome. :)

[beachmom]

5. Actually, here is a diary on what factcheck.org said:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/181439/500/24/462721

Obama is not wrong here. He is taking his mailer to the limit, but not crossing the line.

Hillary is just mad that she doesn't have the money to send out as many mailers. And hers outright lied about Obama's choice position in NH.

[ginnyinWI]

13. thanks--I was going to check out factcheck too

He isn't wrong on any of his facts. And all he's doing is debating legitimate issues, not waging personal attacks through surrogates. Remember Johnson and his "what was he doing in Chicago" bit? Stuff like that is Rovian, not this flyer.

And they said this flyer came out before Super Tuesday! And she just learned about it now?? Either she's lying about that, or her campaign is much more disorganized than even we suspected.

[MBS]

4. I think we saw a good close-up of the Other Side of Hillary

oh, wow.

[Inuca]

6. Saw it. Surreal!

But I do not think it is the result of being out of control, like in "she lost it". She was not "hyserical" as some have said, she was venomous. And of course calculated. On the other hand, "out of control" may apply, or maybe "bipolar". The contrast between "I am so pround to sit here with senator Obama" and "shame on you Barack Obama" is unbelievable. If I remember correctly, she ended with something like "let's gave a REAL debate in Ohio", implying that the one a couple of days ago was.... :shrug:??

[Dr Ron]

7. Reply to Clinton Attack at Liberal Values

Note original has multiple links regarding Clinton's previous attacks


http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2955

Clinton Claims Obama Using Her Own Tactics

Hillary Clinton has frequently resorted to distorting Obama’s statements and positions during the campaign. Lawrence Lessig has an excellent video (posted with transcript here) which summarizes how Clinton has run her campaign. Now she has the nerve to make an issue of an Obama mailer which, while it does appear to have faults, is a minor issue compared to what Clinton has been doing.

Obama’s mailer could be faulted for the manner in which a third party quote appears to be from Clinton. I would prefer that even this degree of error not be present, but this is quite trivial compared to how Clinton has campaigned.

While misleading with regard to a quote, Obama’s mailer is correct with regards to the facts concerning Clinton’s support for NAFTA.

In contrast, Clinton has sent out mailers which were totally misleading regarding Obama’s positions on issues such as Social Security, abortion rights, Iraq, and health care. Clinton’s distortions on abortion rights led Lorna Brett Howard, the former President of Chicago NOW, to drop her support for Clinton and back Obama. Clinton has also raised bogus charges such on plagiarism, distorted the meaning of voting present in the Illinois legislature, and distorting Obama’s references to Ronald Reagan in an interview.

Clinton objects to Obama’s criticism on health care mandates but this is a legitimate objection. Many believe that mandates are both a bad idea as well as opposing them on philosophic grounds. There is a tremendous difference between Obama’s view of government in terms of helping those who desire assistance and Clinton’s view of forcing her ideas upon everyone. Clinton relies upon the idea of imposing her views with the support of 50% plus one. Besides her repeated reliance on Rove style attacks, this is the aspect of her views which most makes me fear that she is the candidate who is far too much like George Bush.

Campaigning based upon differences of opinion is legitimate, but Clinton supporters often falsely equate this with the dishonest mailers Clinton uses which outright distort Obama’s positions.

[JI7]

8. does anyone think they want Obama to lose if they can't win the

nomination ?

[Inuca]

9. Echoes of 04?

2012 is much closer than 2016... I hope it is not true...

[beachmom]

11. She definitely is burning bridges here. It was true in '04. They did

not want Kerry/Edwards in the WH. Good lord, we're going to have to watch them like hawks. Only good news is that at the moment Bill Clinton needs to do some repair work for his image, so perhaps if he starts complimenting the Surge, people won't be listening.

[MarjorieG]

12. The visual side by side is striking and scary.

She's as manic, as he is mellow. I've been wondering all along about her sense of entitlement. Not as much about her need to overstate her qualifications.

I think the reality of losing, of hearing others' relief that she was conceding at the debate, but also that health care-which she felt her signature issue and a winner over Obama-has now been questioned, has unleashed this emotional tailspin and planned negative camapign. She knows that her smarts and what she has to offer are not enough.

No doubt after March 4th the party will elders come to her, if the mailers don't stick. Don't think they will.

I wonder if they can get away, again, with the same lackluster support they gave to Kerry, needing him to lose so they could get the nomination. There will be many more Dems in support than we had in 2004.

We are finally losing the stranghold Bill has over the party. He will not be able to sell Hillary again with the same heavy hand.

[ginnyinWI]

14. maybe what happened was this:

She intended to give a more statesman-like, well-reasoned protest about the flyers, but then her inner demons got hold of her and she just lost it--all the pent up anger over losing all of these states and superdelegates took control. Or else they gave her the green light so they could grab some media.

I noticed the backdrop was set up in a gymnasium--that's the size crowds she's getting, not arenas full.

I agree that she isn't smart enough, although she might not fully realize it. She's finally in the campaign she always wanted, and she's not cutting it. Maybe she is smart enough but there is a personality problem. She knows her topics and talking points well, but she hasn't got the personality to connect the way she needs to. She comes off as phony, not to be trusted. And as an alternative, here is this charismatic guy voters get to choose instead.

I was reading the reader comments over at ABC under the transcript of the Obama presser. Almost all of them said something about not wanting a President who could lose their temper like that. They want a Commander in Chief who can keep cool in a time of crisis--and she sure didn't look like that today.

Another bone-headed move by Penn? Or is it the real Hillary, showing her Achilles heel?
That Strickland gave that horrible venomous intro to Hillary where he blasted away at Obama tells me that it's all in their evil plan.

[MarjorieG]

15. Agree

She can filibuster with facts, as Beachmom said, and never really frame the question and answer it like Obama. Although she can speak in paragraphs where I get lost. I think she missed her calling as a CEO.

More than cool and composed, Obama undersells what he can do and what he'll do for us, to keep us part of the process and not seemingly superior. Necessary, I guess, for all those voters who found comfort in Bush.

Hillary forever overstates, everything.

I hope this movement doesn't fizzle when it comes to these young people staying involved and participating. His humor and bemused quality that is so nimble sure makes me smile. That delusional riff was golden.

Wish these same voters understood the cool and calm with Kerry, instead of finding a deficit and wanting red faced anger. Oh, well. We know he is thoroughly in sync with Obama and having the release of his life.

[City Lights]

16. Unbecoming. Unpresidential.

She's coming unhinged and it ain't a pretty sight. She needs to get a grip or step aside.

[beachmom]

17. Actually, she's even worse today. Double yuck:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/24/hillary-clinton-mocks-bar_n_88194.html

I mean who would want her in the bully pulpit? She is so intent on knocking down Obama, that she is knocking down our whole country.

[City Lights]

19. Her attack today was just plain stupid on her part.

She's grasping at straws hoping that something will stop Obama's momentum. What we saw today was Hillary at her worst. If she keeps this up, she's going to have a "Sybil" problem - people have seen so many faces of Hillary that they'll start whispering about which Hillary will show. She's the one who needs to "get real."

[Inuca]

21. Painful to watch

Seemed like a parody, to weird for words. And the gestures... my God, the gestures... Unbelievable. Maybe it's just my biased point of view, but it seems incomprehensible to me how she and/or her advisors can think that this can help in any way. A horrible train wreck. Almost like she gave up, and has a secret contract with MSNBC to help boost the ratings for Tuesday's debate.... By the way, seeing Sheldon Whitehouse in the background added to the painful watching experience.

[JanusAscending]

24. Saw that too!

I was watching Sheldon very closely to see if he laughed. He barely smiled, and I don't think he really thought it was funny!! Don't be surprised if he switches to Obama soon, like before the 4th of March!! I really can't wait to see the debate tomorrow night!! Get out the popcorn guys!!:popcorn:

[ginnyinWI]

22. OMG--she's acting just like a televangelist

You know, the kind that love the sound of their own voice. Love the spotlight, and love being dramatic. Once again (I'm a broken record on this)--she is insulting the people who support Obama and want to be as optimistic and hopeful as he is! How arrogant, and how disgusting.

[MBS]

23. WOW

That is incredible. Like you said, in mocking Obama, she mocks our country.

[politicasista]

20. Yep.

It was scary. :scared: