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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 09:22 PM
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The straightforward, no-nonsense facts about Afghanistan
Summary of the Exit Plan (from the http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/way-forward-afghanistan">White House Fact Sheet):
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  • The President has decided to deploy an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan. These troops will deploy on an accelerated timeline to reinforce the 68,000 Americans and 39,000 non-U.S. ISAF troops already there, so that we can target the insurgency, break its momentum, and better secure population centers.

  • These forces will increase our capacity to train effective Afghan Security Forces, and to partner with them so that more Afghans get into the fight. And by pursuing these partnerships, we can transition to Afghan responsibility, and begin to reduce our combat troops in the summer of 2011.

  • We will maintain this increased force level for the next 18 months.

  • (B)eginning in July 2011, we will transfer lead security responsibility to Afghans and start to transition our combat forces out of Afghanistan

  • We will work with our partners, the United Nations, and the Afghan people to strengthen our civilian effort, so that Afghanistan’s government can step in as we establish better security.

  • (W)e will also focus our assistance in areas – such as agriculture – that can make an immediate impact in the lives of the Afghan people

  • A continuing significant increase in civilian experts will accompany a sizable infusion of additional civilian assistance. They will partner with Afghans over the long term to enhance the capacity of national and sub-national government institutions and to help rehabilitate Afghanistan’s key economic sectors so that Afghans can defeat the insurgents who promise only more violence.

  • Our top reconstruction priority is implementing a civilian-military agriculture redevelopment strategy to restore Afghanistan’s once vibrant agriculture sector

  • An emphasis of our governance efforts will be on developing more responsive, visible, and accountable institutions at the provincial, district, and local level, where everyday Afghans encounter their government.

It goes through exactly what the plan is and what is being done without all the hyperbole and BS being flung around in some parts. Kinda puts a dent in the "Obama supports endless war" meme. Fact is, Obama's finally ending both wars. He's put forward a concrete plan, with real objectives, and set a very clear deadline for the withdrawal of troops. That is something Bush never did in 8 years. Bush was the one who always opposed a timeline, was always against setting dates and against having a workable plan.

And http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-address-nation-way-forward-afghanistan-and-pakistan">according to the speech last night the objectives are:

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1. Deny al Qaeda a safe haven.
2. Reverse the Taliban's momentum and deny it the ability to overthrow the government.
3. Strengthen the capacity of Afghanistan's security forces and government so that they can take lead responsibility for Afghanistan's future.

These are the goals. There is no illusion of "ending terrorism" everywhere. In fact, #3 is the key to the first two. Once the Afghan security forces take over, they will be able to deal with #1 and #2 themselves once the combat forces start leaving in 2011.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:54 PM
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1. Great info and no one
can post crap on it.

Thanks NYC Lib~
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:48 PM
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2. Great post. Thanks! n/t
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:58 AM
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8. I actually had this written out as an OP in GD:P
But I figured it would be more useful here, since there's little that will convince the die-hard anti-Obama people of .. well, anything!
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:54 PM
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3. It sounded reasonable to me...
Those who have pretended to support him and have criticized him from inauguration won't care about the facts.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:15 AM
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4. Bingo
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:16 AM
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5. No, they'd rather post photoshops
of Obama morphing into bush.

We get to miss all that in this forum:)
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:20 AM
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6. Are you serious... someone actually posted that in DU?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 12:31 AM
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7. Oh, and somehow of all the
thousands of posts and threads I had to run into both of them. One in GD and the other in GDP.

The post in GD was deleted and the OP in GDP was also deleted..here's NYCSKP's OP on it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x34789
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 04:03 AM
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9. Nope. But Obama is finally getting us out of Iraq & Afghanistan
whether they like it or not! :)
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:54 AM
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10. WOW! This is amazing
thanks
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JimWis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 01:11 PM
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11. Thanks for sharing the info.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 03:50 PM
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12. Straightforward.
But of course, many folks are convinced it's just a "meme", Obama is lying, blah blah blah.

Much as I hate war, I'm willing to give this a chance.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 06:15 PM
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13. Somewhat overlooked but important statement was that the administration
was going to bypass the central government and allocate funds directly to government units that are working effectively in the field.

A very clever way to make sure dollars are well spent, a civillian 'surge' is maintained, and the Karzai government is kept under pressure to perform.

The only thing I think has not been addressed is a special hearts and mind approach to the opium farmers. The key to understand opium farmers is that they are first and foremost farmers. We need to keep them tied to the land and wean them gradually away from opium so that they are growing other crops profitably. Suppression, especially during an insurgency will not work.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 05:01 PM
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14. Thanks, grant..yeah, I missed that
impotant fact.

Wonder what else grows good over there in Afghanistan besides poppies?

How strange to me that the beautiful poppy and turn into such a tragic addition.
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:50 PM
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15. I posted on GDP before the speech that...
Edited on Sat Dec-05-09 09:51 PM by Diamonique
... I wanted him to specify the mission, and state the strategy to accomplish the mission. He did exactly that.

I don't know (and neither does anyone else) whether this is the "right" thing to do, or whether it will work as planned.

But I do know that Obama made every effort to get every speck of information available in order to make an informed, well-thought-out decision.

This is the kind of president I voted for.

I support my president.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 03:50 PM
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16. That's right and we're all
hoping for the very best outcome in Afghanistan.
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