Okay I am just not buying this anymore...

[Peacetrain]

the whole, I supported Obama, contributed to Obama, walked the streets..etc etc etc.. and then to fold up like cheap tent at the first stiff breeze.

As an Obama person in Iowa, where we had to fight the all knowledgeable media etc about how a state like Iowa would never go Obama... these posters obviously never had to really go into political battle.

They have no more walked for a canidate on a cold snowy morning when no one knows who the heck he is, or what about that name,etc (unless they are at the very end when the juice pumps everybody up) than the man in the moon.

You just can't give up that easy if you ever really believed in something.

You just can't turn your back on HRC, that quickly..

They maybe be democrats, but they are not fighting dems.. That is for sure.

[Cha]

1. They can say anything on the internet..

who knows? But, I recognize a lot of them from the hate they had way back in the primaires..that I do know.

[rebel with a cause]

39. +100

You and me too. I laugh sometimes as I read some of their names and go "Oh my gosh. I remember them. They were for 'such-and-such' up to the end and was always quick to be negative about Barack and to anyone who supported him."

[Number23]

2. It's odd that so many use that as their first line of attack

"I worked for him! He's my puppet!!" (I kid you not, a poster here actually said that)

There were probably a million people -- LITERALLY -- who worked to get Obama elected and 63 million who voted him into office. I can understand being disappointed that your list of priorities doesn't match his, but this "I worked 56-hours a week for 9 months for Obama for only 15cents a day and through seven snowstorms and now I'm ready to call him a failure" crowd doesn't make a bit of sense to me. If you did THAT much damn work for the man, you should have known what he was about.

[azmouse]

3. My ignore list grew by leaps and bounds today.

I've simply had enough. I don't believe any of them.
And I don't care about so-called Dems who are so quick to give up.

[HughMoran]

12. My list is gargantuan

There's no point in listening to the ones that are all hate, all the time.

The only one's I don't put on ignore are the ones who get onto the GP. I need to be able to hide their threads when I go to the GP.

[azmouse]

22. I wish this weren't true but

I have over 300 DUers on 'ignore'. I was thinking of clearing it out after Jan 1 but I have the feeling the list would just be back back by the end of the month.

On the bright side, I've started a 'buddy list' which I never did before. It's kinda nice to see how many great DUers are here who support the President and Democrats, and this list continues to grow. All is not lost yet! :)

[HughMoran]

23. I cleared my list after the primaries

& just added gutter-snipes as they appeared. I can tell you that 22 of those that I added were delivered pizza, so you can imagine my list is pretty large - maybe larger than yours.

[cliffordu]

37. Don't Ignore, Alert!!!

[HopeOverFear]

4. Oh they just LOVE to say that!

they kill me with that shit.

[NYC_SKP]

5. There's a thread saying "we need a new party".

Well, for starters, there IS the socialist workers party or whatever it's called.

Now, I've been as angry as anyone with the DLC and Dems who supported NAFTA and corporations, but I'm not a socialist.

The thread is evidence that they were only Democrats when Bush was in power.

The Democratic party just isn't for them.

They aren't getting what they want, 100% support, here, and maybe they'll get fed up and go.

:shrug:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

24. That's a tip-off for me that they were never here to be a Democrat.

But rather to recruit and siphoned borderline liberals towards the Green Party and other Naderish ventures.

[NYC Liberal]

6. You can bet that when he does something they would "presumably" like

(aka signs DADT or DOMA repeal, for ex.), they will still not be happy because "it took too long!"

The people who do that are ones I absolutely do not take seriously. They just go on Ignore, because it confirms they're only interested in complaining.

[treestar]

7. I agree totally

They use that as a lever to try to claim their opinions have more weight.

But then they aren't willing to work to get a more progressive Senate! Very telling.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=62408&mesg_id=62408

[uponit7771]

8. It wouldn't surprise me if some of this shit was orchestrated

[get the red out]

10. Me neither

And then the folks who are really Green Party rather than Democratic Party jump on the protest band wagon because they get to hate the President again and be all pure and self-riteous (and not have to compromise with anyone to get anything DONE). Oh what a relief after all these long months to get to hate the evil President of the United States again!

I grew up in what I call a union-style Democratic household, rather than a protest everyone in power household, so all this has blown me away even at middle age.

[rebel with a cause]

40. I grew up in a union-style republican household,,lol

my father had liked Roosevelt, did not like Truman, liked Ike, did not like Nixon. Was scared of a Catholic Kennedy but my mother loved them and he ended up liking them. Did not like Johnson because of his crassness. After that I don't know who he liked. My mom died, he quickly married a woman that was in the Democratic party local machine (?) and I became a starch republican for a few years because I hated her. I voted for whoever I liked but if you asked me, I was a republican.. Only after they died (within a few weeks on each other) did I fully come out as a Democratic supporter. I am stubborn to a fault.

[NJmaverick]

9. Most of them are trying to inflate their non-existent credibility

because when you have not facts, just opinions, credibility is all you have left.

[live love laugh]

20. The same type of people call in to Stephanie Miller, Ed Schultz, Tom Hartmann

all inflate their loyalty factors--they preface negatives with claims of either having voted for him; campaigned for him or convinced others to switch to him. Then/now, they are SOOOOOOOOOO disappointed.

I get tired of hearing this lie and listening to the liars.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

25. And let's look at their "expertise", shall we?

Stephanie Miller - has a degree in theatre, is a former comedienne, and has zero political experience
Ed Schultz - is a former sportscaster and has zero political experience
Thom Hartmann - has a background in homeopathic medicine and has zero political experience

[live love laugh]

26. Did this thread take a sharp right somewhere that I am not aware of?

I'm lost.

What do the credentials of Miller, Schultz and Hartmann have to do with the topic?

Furthermore, they are all excellent progressive talk show hosts no matter what previous credentials they acquired.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

27. My apologies if it went too far off topic for you.

I will self-delete if you prefer. The only point I'm trying to make is that these people try to bump up their cred by quoting and calling-in to these personalities whom have no credibility themselves.

[anigbrowl]

35. I think the point is that such broadcasters tend to follow their audience

They're good public-minded citizens, but along with some other lefty media icons (and numerous right-wing ones, whose 'patriotism' is of an altogether different flavor) they sometimes end up pandering to their audience rather than informing it.

that sounds a bit harsher than it is intended, though. My point is political media commentary is to some extent a business, and more partisan or pasionate the clientele, the less willing they are to still still for a civics lesson, so the less incentive the hosts have to deliver one. then again if they had political experience they'd be filed under 'corporate shill'...try quoting David Gergen in GD and see how far you get.

[live love laugh]

38. I don't see how you arrived at that conclusion

While some of what you say may be true, I don't think it is relevant to this discussion.

The only reason these hosts were ever mentioned is that their progressive shows are a vehicle for posers who are vocalizing the contrived message that is the subject of this thread.

[HughMoran]

11. intros like that don't carry any weight for me any more

Only people carrying a baseball bat use that intro anyway.

[KittyWampus]

13. Peacetrain, if these people were really effective activists would they spend hours posting on DU?

Also, would these same supposedly effective activists post nothing but trash about Obama and the Democratic party while posting NOTHING ABOUT PRO-ACTIVE STEPS TO BE TAKEN?

[lamp_shade]

14. Pony People.

From an earlier post... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=88577&mesg_id=88577

[CBR]

15. Honestly, I am just dumbfounded that there are people

defending teabaggers on here. Completely dumbfounded.

[chris8372]

16. Unfortunately I think the reality is the uber liberal isn't much different from the uber conservativ...

There was a program a couple of years ago or so ago on PBS about the 10 year anniversary of the O.J Simpson trial and in that one of O.J's lawyers said that he was getting hate mail from hard core liberals screaming at him how can you defend the murdering n****.I think that the reality is if you can't give them exactly what they want when they want how they want you are an abysmal failure to them and not worth a steaming pile of dung.
It's also why I really don't tend to like idealism.It's fine to dream of the way the world should be.But it doesn't get a lot accomplished because that's not how the world is.The reality is progress tends to be slow,plodding and takes years but it does eventually come ergo Obama in the White House 40 or so years after the civil rights movement.Idealism tends to be a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.But more to your point even if these people volunteered they only did so thinking they were going to get everything they wanted if Obama won and now they are throwing a temper tantrum since they didn't get it.

[KittyWampus]

17. As an Idealist, I'd like to make a philosophical point- it isn't necessarily Idealism that leads

people to being unyielding demanders. It's being dogmatic about whatever position you hold.

I have Principles but am not the sole arbiter of how those Principles will operate in the real world.

[chris8372]

18. Point taken

You make a good point.I guess I just get sick of all the yelling and screaming over every issue it seems today.I just wish politicians and a lot of thier supporters would just shut up and get stuff done instead of granstanding about every little thing.

[treestar]

29. Welcome

Great point. The ones quitting over the public option had to have known that Congress would have to go along. At most a presidential candidate can promise to support or want something.

Then they get all mad he didn't pressure Lieberman for it. Lieberman will be there for the rest of PO's first term. There will be other bills. The PO wasn't the only thing on the table and when apparent it couldn't be obtained, it is rational the President will not want to veto the bill over it. And what good would that do the people who want it so badly, anyway. They should be throwing their tantrum at Lieberman and every Republican Senator.

[live love laugh]

19. I agree. I didn't stomp one bit and I'm still supportive of him. I can't

see somebody who did much more jumping ship like that.

It reeks...do I smell *sniff* *sniff* Eau de la Troll?

[lamp_shade]

21. Welcome L.L.L.

:hi:

[live love laugh]

28. Thanks. nt

[treestar]

30. Exactly

So unbelievable.

[DFLforever]

31. It's obvious

They invested nothing in his presidency or they wouldn't be such fair weather "supporters".

[dcsmart]

32. i agree...seems nuts.

[Blue_Roses]

33. who are those people out there in GD?

I feel like I just landed in Freeperville. :crazy:

Good grief:eyes:

[grantcart]

34. I think much of it is sincere

You have to accept that the final bill was good, the way it was rolled out was a disaster.

We didn't get details of the good stuff until we had our Public Option chain yanked.

[anigbrowl]

36. I agree, there are a few different problems

And I totally agree that the administration has done a relatively poor job of managing communications, expectations and so forth recently. Anyway...

1) 'They' - most members of this group seem thoughtful and moderate, and even we can't help feeling weirded out 'the other'. It's always easiest to ascribe the ills of the world to some vague abstracted enemy.

2) Some are just truly passionate...the same kind of people who bang on drums at protest marches, or lead other folks in chants or whatever. They are really sincere and they really do believe the whole 'we the people' thing. Now myself, I absolutely can't stand this mode of communication - I thought Stephen Colbert nailed with it 'Mindless chant! Mindless chant!'. I strongly believe that you get the best exchange rate when converting dignity into political capital. Then again, I am a bourgeois elitist snob.

No, really - I am. I have a poker jammed up my rear end, and most public displays of emotion make me want to vomit. I grew up seeing those kinds of emotions channeled and manipulated to whip up support for terrorist causes and am deeply suspicious of any political activity that starts to resemble a revival meeting. Blowing whistles and saying 'what do we want/when do we want it' etc. just looks like the inside-out version of the right-wing megachurches. The people who go are not bad people by any means, they're just waaaay too sure of themselves and waaaay too compliant for my taste.

3) Some people are just stupid and/or paranoid. UFO threads, moon bombings, wisdom from the astral plane and general WTFery.

4) A few people are really, really authoritarian and egg others on. I personally believe that there is a fundamental conflict between being progressive and authoritarian, but these folks always envision themselves as being in charge should a revolution ever come to pass. They tend to say 'guillotine' and 'traitor' a lot.


Perhaps not surprisingly, there seems to be a really strong correlation between the various forms of fuckwittery and excess use of the CAPS LOCK key.