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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:54 AM
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Defense Secretary, Top General Endorse 50-Year U.S. Presence In Iraq
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/01/korea-model/

Defense Secretary, Top General Endorse 50-Year U.S. Presence In Iraq

Defense Secretary Robert Gates and top U.S. commander Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno both declared yesterday that they support the “Korea model” vision of maintaining U.S. forces in Iraq for decades.

Gates told reporters in Hawaii that he is thinking of “a mutual agreement” with Iraq in which “some force of Americans…is present for a protracted period of time, but in ways that are protective of the sovereignty of the host government.” Gates said such a long-term U.S. presence would assure allies in the Middle East that the United States will not withdraw from Iraq as it did from Vietnam, “lock, stock and barrel.”

Later, Odierno, who oversees daily military operations in Iraq, said that having “a South Korean-style force there for years to come” is a “great idea.” “I think it would be very helpful to have a force here for a period of time.” Watch it at link~

As several analysts have pointed out, modeling our Iraq strategy off the U.S. experience in Korea relies on a grossly inaccurate historical comparison, and runs directly opposite Americans’ view that the U.S. should disengage from Iraq. As Fred Kaplan writes today:

To sum up, we intervened in South Korea as a response to an invasion and as part of a broad strategy to contain Communist aggression. We intervened in Iraq as the instigator of an invasion and as part of a broad strategy to expand unilateral American power. We remained in South Korea to protect a solid (if, for many years, authoritarian) government from another border incursion. We are remaining in Iraq to bolster a flimsy government and stave off a violent social implosion.

In other words, in no meaningful way are these two wars, or these two countries, remotely similar. In no way does one experience, or set of lessons, shed light on the other. In Iraq, no border divides friend from foe; no clear concept defines who is friend and foe. To say that Iraq might follow “a Korean model”–if the word model means anything–is absurd.

In Newsweek, Jonathan Alter adds:

The only two reasons to station troops in the Middle East for half a century are protecting oil supplies (reflecting a pessimistic view of energy independence) outside the normal channels of trade and diplomacy, and projecting raw military power. These are the imperial aims of an empire. During the cold war, charges of U.S. imperialism in Korea and Vietnam were false. Those wars were about superpower struggles. This time, the “I word” is not a left-wing epithet but a straightforward description of policy aims–yet another difference from those two older wars in Asia.

Transcript:

Q: Do you agree that we will likely have a South Korean-style force there for years to come?

GEN. ODIERNO: Well, I think that’s a strategic decision, and I think that’s between us and — the government of the United States and the government of Iraq. I think it’s a great idea. I think it would be very helpful to have a force here for a period of time to continue to help the Iraqis train and continue to build their capabilities, but that would be based on them asking us to stay.

If that occurs, we would definitely take a look at what we believe the size of the force would be and what they might ask us to do. If they want us to continue, stay here and fight al Qaeda for a period of time, we certainly will do that and develop our force accordingly. I think that would be nothing but helping the Iraqi security forces and the government, to continue to stabilize itself and continue to set itself up for success for years to come, if we were able to do that.

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:56 AM
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1. this is just total madness
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:58 PM
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10. And they hate us for our freedoms............
don't you know.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:59 AM
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2. Why not? At 800 billion a year that would translate to
Edited on Fri Jun-01-07 10:59 AM by genie_weenie
40 trillion dollars for Warmongers while having the benefit of killing large numbers of unpersons in Iraq and removing a large number of undesirable Americans from the breeding pool by killing them as well as rendering many sterile from expouse to JP-8, experimental "vaccines", and Depleted Uranium.

It's a win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win, sceniro.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:07 AM
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3. First thought was about as long as they figure it will take to pump ALL the oil!
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:52 PM
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8. Bingo!
Fifty years should just about do it.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:03 PM
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12. Isn't 50 years the # tossed around for Peak Oil to begin
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 10:56 AM
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23. Peak oil has begun.
It's going to be a regional moving target for years (huge new gas fields just discovered in China, for instance, most of which is still unexplored), but the significant, salient factor is that U.S. oil production has long-since peaked and is now in considerable decline.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:13 AM
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4. Bush wants to 'pass the buck' for his Iraq failure
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:21 PM
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5. The permanent bases already showed us all the strategy, ...
as if we ever doubted the intent to permanently occupy Iraq and its oil fields. Now they want to seal the deal.

Will the Dems in Congress take notice?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:43 PM
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6. In their warped dreams. Either we set a timetable to get out or the insurgents do.
Obviously, if they're are remotely serious in their delusions, they have yet to comprehend the "stop digging" concept.

Two small obstacles to their grandiose scheme. The Iraqis don't want us there and the American people don't want us there.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 04:47 PM
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19. Who CARES what THEY think???
;-)
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:49 PM
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7. that ought to go over well in the Middle East
don't worry guys, we're just passing through. I SWEAR we iz not occupying this joint. Honest...
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:54 PM
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9. The proposed Iraq Oil legislation only allows for 30 year leases
do they think they will make us happy by saying, "well, alrighty then, not 50 years, how's about 30" ???

friggin sick bastard :argh:

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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:59 PM
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11. This war was sold as "weeks, months".
FIFTY years? LOL. That's how long everyone who signed off on this should be in jail.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:03 PM
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13. That was the plan from the very start (even tho' 'weeks' and 'months' were selling points).
Hence, the neocons are sincerely willing to sacrifice us all for their world war over oil.

But, hey,...who cares? :shrug:
Obviously, the American people don't care enough to raise hell over this situation. So, I guess it's okay.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:39 PM
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15. Well we know our elected Dems don't give a rats ass.
Perhaps that was the biggest horror of this whole mess.

Who do we turn to now?
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:28 PM
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14. GOOGLE GEN. ODIERNO SEX AND UP COME
WERE U.S. TROOPS FIRST TO NAB
SADDAM? – PRESS REPORTS KURDS
GRABBED IRAQI DICTATOR, LEFT HIM
DRUGGED & DOCILE IN “SPIDERHOLE”
FOR OUR FORCES TO TAKE INTO
CUSTODY – GEN. ODIERNO, WHO TRIED
TO BRUTALIZE LTC WEST IN PRISONER
INTERROGATION INCIDENT, TOOK BOWS
FOR SADDAM “CAPTURE” – IS THIS
ANOTHER PENTAGON “STORY” LIKE
THE PFC LYNCH COMBAT “HEROICS?” AT
http://www.militarycorruption.com/index.html
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galloglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:46 PM
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16. "Months? No, probably weeks." (Rumsfeld)
After Rumsfeld, Cheney, Chimp, & Company assured us we would be in and out of Iraq faster than a taxi at the Oscars, it's getting time to go 1960s on these scumbags!

The only difference between Bush and Hutler is the time scale. Bush is doing is slowly (and lowly) while Der Fuehrer just grabbed it all!

It's time for the coup.




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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 04:41 PM
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17. Without the troops Exxon and the others will not get the Iraqis' oil
even if the puppet government okays it because the country will not let them in without troops on guard. At least that is my reading of the situation.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 04:45 PM
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18. Is anyone really surprised by this?
Of course Gates will say that! This is just another in the long list of the blatant cronyism displayed by Bush and Dick. Gates will say what Cheney tells him to, or he will be out on his ass.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 04:49 PM
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20. We need impeachment of entire regime..
from president to supreme court appointees, this is insane they are dooming our country to an eternity of debt, war and suffering.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 05:07 PM
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21. Hubris. They obviously haven't checked in with Iraqis on this
We will be run out in a matter of a couple of years. Book it. Its not sustainable.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 08:48 PM
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22. Translation: The plan is to partition Iraq into oil-rich and oil-poor zones
and station US troops in the oil-rich zones
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 11:09 AM
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24. More info
here. Ted Koppel sells Bush's plan on NPR.
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