How many 'terra' threats between now and NOV. 2008???

[peaches2003]

I'm guessing there will be at least one a month from here on, all rather vague and caught 'in the early stages' so there won't be a lot of evidence like the one today. After Jan. 2008 they will start increasing until there will be 3-4 a month in Sept-Oct 2008 just before the election. Think they will even plan one with some damage to really scare the shit out of voters?

[spanone]

1. As many as it takes....

[L. Coyote]

7. COMING SOON: Are the Sandinista terrorists on the Texas border yet?

Rambo XIII.

"Ronald Reagan introduced "terrorism" into the political vernacular...."

Are the Sandinista terrorists on the Texas border yet? Rhetoric to haunt Freeepers.
From: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x503712

Given their current lies leading to war, an examination of past lies is in order......
One of my favorite whoppers is that the tiny nation of Nicaragua was an invasion threat to Texas.
Reagan and George Bush deprived the nation and the world of sleep with rhetorical worries that the terrorist cabal
controlling the government of Nicaragua had to be militarily overthrown to prevent the invasion of Texas. ................

[Sukie1941]

2. Right now US Atty on CNN comforting us

"outstanding law enforcement stopped this plot...."

[peaches2003]

9. Don't you mean

outstanding REPUBLICAN law enforcement stopped this plot...... I think that is the point of all these terra plots they are uncovering.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. I feel safer without the party in control that was in control

on 911.... call me crazy.

[MonkeyFunk]

4. You think the government made this up?

Do you think it really helps Bush all that much?

Or is it possible there really ARE people who would like to commit violent acts?

[MadBadger]

6. Its okay to be skeptical, but not to be blinded by your skepticism that you mock any terror plot

[L. Coyote]

10. AND Its okay to be skeptical, but not to be blinded by your skepticism that you fail to ask WHY

Why would people want to bomb the USA?
Why do politicos step up and make hay every time terror rains?

What will end this reign?

[Ezlivin]

8. Answer: Operation Northwoods

Terror helps the hell out of the ruling elite. They use the fear of it to direct foreign policy. Ask yourself who benefited the most from 9/11? It certainly wasn't Osama (been forgotten).

Approved by the top Pentagon chiefs, Operation Northwoods proposed fabricating terrorism in US cities and killing innocent citizens to trick the public into supporting a war against Cuba in the early 1960s. Operation Northwoods even proposed blowing up a US ship and hijacking planes as a false pretext for war. First coming to light in the year 2000 through a Freedom of Information Act request, key excerpts from the Operation Northwoods documents are provided below.

13 March 1962

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE

Subject: Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba

The Joint Chiefs of Staff have considered the attached Memorandum for the Chief of Operations, Cuba Project, which responds to a request of that office for brief but precise description of pretexts which could provide justification for US military intervention in Cuba.

It is assumed that a single agency will be given the primary responsibility for developing military and para-military aspects of the basic plan. It is recommended that this responsibility for both overt and covert military operations be assigned the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Page 5 of 15-page GWU file on Operation Northwoods (page 2 of Pentagon report)

The suggested courses of action….are based on the premise that US military intervention will result from a period of heightened US-Cuban tensions which place the United States in the position of suffering justifiable grievances. World opinion, and the United Nations forum should be favorably affected by developing the international image of the Cuban government as rash and irresponsible, and as an alarming and unpredictable threat to the peace of the Western Hemisphere.

Page 8 of 15-page GWU file on Operation Northwoods (page 5 of Pentagon report)

This plan….should be developed to focus all efforts on a specific ultimate objective which would provide adequate justification for US military intervention. Such a plan would enable a logical build-up of incidents to be combined with other seemingly unrelated events to camouflage the ultimate objective.

Pages 10-11 of 15-page GWU file on Northwoods (page 7-8 of Joint Chiefs report)

A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

A. Incidents to establish a credible attack:

(1) Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio
(2) Land friendly Cubans in uniform “over-the-fence” to stage attack on base.
(3) Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.
(4) Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).
(5) Blow up ammunition inside the base: start fires.
(6) Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).
(7) Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base.
(8) Capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.
(9) Capture militia group which storms base.
(10) Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires – naphthalene.
(11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims.

A “Remember the Maine” incident could be arranged: We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.

We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.

Page 12 of 15-page GWU file on Operation Northwoods (page 9 of Pentagon report)

Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. Reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from US resources in about three months.

Page 13 of 15-page GWU file on Operation Northwoods (page 10 of Pentagon report)

Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba.

It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday.

An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At the designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual aircraft would be converted to a drone.

The drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency a “MAY DAY” message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal.

9/11 was a very successful terrorist attack, wasn't it?

Spend a little time looking into the fall of WTC 7 on 9/11 (not hit by aircraft) and tell me what you think:



And the answer your question "Or is it possible there really ARE people who would like to commit violent acts?", is "YES" but the people committing the acts may be the ones pointing the finger.

[MonkeyFunk]

16. And when was that carried out?

answer: NEVER.

I laugh when people keep bringing that up. There have been plans written down for all sorts of things - that was rejected.

Now, the point at hand - do you believe ALL terror threats are made up by the government?

[Ezlivin]

34. If someone was discovered with plans to kill your family...

...would you be flippant about it? Or would you worry that although they didn't "carry it out" you can return to your regularly scheduled programming?

Would you laugh when people said to you "Remember when that organization was caught with plans to kill your family?"

Just because they didn't carry out Operation Northwoods means nothing. But it does show that they have a callous disregard for life by even contemplating it. Just as you would be extremely uncomfortable trusting anyone who had been found to have plotted your death, you should be uncomfortable with the idea that your government toyed with the idea of killing innocent Americans to further a political agenda.

I do not know what percentage of terror threats are real or are fabricated. I submit to you that no one knows.

But I can say that either 100% of them are real, 100% of them are fabricated or there is a mix of fabricated and real terror threats. I think we can safely say that the latter is true: There is an admixture of real and fabricated terror threats.

This means that it is absolutely imperative that we carefully examine every terror threat to ascertain its validity and its source before we take action. We cannot allow ourselves to take at face value what we are told about a terror threat or its source. Operation Northwoods makes it very clear that not all terror threats emanate from without.

Has your laughter subsided?

[dogday]

15. I think every time the news turns toward the actions of

this administration, some sort of terra alert happens... You can set your watch by it... I ask myself, what is it they don't want us to see...

[MonkeyFunk]

21. except

what about all the times attention has turned to the administration, and there WASN'T a terror plot exposed.

Do you think the government made this up? Do you think all exposed terror plots are made up by the government?

[dogday]

22. I said they were hyped by the news and

it is a strange coincidence indeed... Do I think our administration is capable of such things.. Indeed I do... They are capable of anything....

You should awake now from your slumber....

[MonkeyFunk]

24. I'm awake

I'm asking if you think these terror plots are made up by the government.

[dogday]

26. I am saying that they know about

all of the terror events, remember when they announced one that was over a year old and hyped it like this like it was happening right now.. They know of them, yes the fbi has even infiltrated these groups and encouraged said behaviour.... They know of these things and trot them out to the public when it is needed to take the focus off of other issues...

Tell me I am wrong about that....

[MonkeyFunk]

27. And what's going on today

that they're trying to distract from?

[dogday]

28. That's the thing, what is happening?

Death totals on the rise in Iraq. Griffin resigns after Conyers request BBC information on Vote Caging... Things like that... Justice hearings, Judge Halts Award Of Iraq Contract, Fitzgerald Again Points to Cheney---

Take your pick...

I really should not have to tell you... You honestly don't know.. Spend more time reading then trying to prove me wrong or prove your point... It would help you now and in future posts....

[MonkeyFunk]

30. And you think without this 'fake' plot

CNN was going to cover those things?

Those aren't breaking stories. They're ongoing stories - and they ARE reported: we know about them, right?

My point is that EVERY story that's not injurious to the Bush administration isn't a concocted distraction. A plan to blow up JFK warrants some news coverage.

[dogday]

31. Just like that plan that was over a year old

last year that merited some coverage... The days ahead will show this plot for what it is, what a lot of them are turning out to be...

I never said this was a fake plot.. I said this administration leaks information when it wants to take the focus off of different news stories...

Tim Griffin resigning is a big story... The Judge holding up a military contract is big news...

They have been playing this all day and already some are coming forward and saying what they are suggesting would occur with the pipeline is impossible....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1029055&mesg_id=1029055

You know you really should know better... How many of these phony trumped up terra events have we heard that would of never come to fruition at all?

[dogday]

32. I will also add this link for you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1029576&mesg_id=1029576

and on edit I will add another for your viewing pleasure...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1029780&mesg_id=1029780

[dogday]

36. And another link for your viewing pleasure

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1034527&mesg_id=1034527

[MistressOverdone]

17. Whether they made it up or not

it has totally freaked out my familly in Linden, NJ! They already blew up in the early '70's.

[nebenaube]

19. no... the goverment didn't make this up...

some private contractors in Hollywood did and gave it to the gov to use...

[MonkeyFunk]

25. so you believe it's fake

Is there any threat of terrorism against the US, or is it all made up?

[Xenotime]

35. Well, they never do show any REAL evidence...

Where are the "maps" from the Fort Dix plot? Where is the evidence from this "plot". Notice nothing is ever shown.

[jaxx]

5. Today another stop the wannabe's and bomb the Somalia bunch.

Tomorrow........dubya crowns himself king and we are history.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. At least 1 a month, if not more. Predictable. They have become completely transparent.

Hopefully, the voters are on to their charade. Terror! Terror! Terror!

[LSK]

12. brazilians!!!

[spanone]

18. rofl

:rofl:

[LSK]

20. hey now, this is series stuff

:D

[BrklynLiberal]

13. As many as they can possibly announce without really sounding like Chicken Little.

[dogday]

33. They are too late with that

the sky is falling, the sky is falling. terra, terra, terra.....

[bamacrat]

14. Saw something this morning on CNN about a foiled terrrrr plot at JFK.

So, counting that one at least 5 at most 500, or however many days are left until then.

[rec_report]

23. Not sure, but Bush is getting ready to play the bioterror card.

After all, the GOP can't steal a landslide.
http://www.legitgov.org/DoD_to_augment_civilian_law.html

Polar Bear

[Edweird]

29. I'm mainly worried about Nov. 2008 to Jan. 2009