Good Grief! Biden just said, "This war must end"

[Bluzmann57]

I agree. So why didn't Mr. Microphone vote to end the damn war? This guy never stops talking, but he doesn't really say anything.
On edit- watching the Iowa Dems fund raiser on C-Span.

[IChing]

1. He needs to add that statement to the credit card statements

and the bankruptcy bill that he helped write.

[MissWaverly]

2. did he say in what year? 2008, 2010 or 2050 like GOP wants

[Jillian]

8. Biden wants to start bringing home the troops in 4 months

May 25, 2007
Press Release

SEN. BIDEN Introduces Legislation to Repeal 2002 War Authorization



Washington, DC - U.S. Senator Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D-DE) introduced legislation (S.J. Res 15) today to repeal the original 2002 Iraq war authorization, replacing it with a much narrower mission statement for our troops in Iraq. The new mission - to start immediately - would be limited to: combating terrorists, training Iraqis and force protection for our troops. Sen. Biden's legislation requires that the President start withdrawing troops in 4 months and sets a goal of getting all troops that are unnecessary for the new mission out by March 2008. The legislation also specifically states that nothing in the new, limited authority allows the President to attack Iran or Syria.
http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/details.cfm?id=275164&&

[MissWaverly]

26. sounds like a good idea to me.

Mary Matalin's new Republican Talking Point, what is going to happen the day after we pull out, well, since this is an illegal
occupation and the revenue for their sole resource Oil has gone missing for the last 4 years, I think that Iraq will be unstable
but much of the violence even against Iraqis is generated by their hatred of our occupation.

[Tom Joad]

3. Did he specify a decade?

[dave_p]

4. He has his own timetable

The question most Americans want answered about Iraq is this: When will our troops come home?

We already know the likely answer. In 2006, they will begin to leave in large numbers. By the end of the year, we will have redeployed about 50,000. In 2007, a significant number of the remaining 100,000 will follow. A small force will stay behind - in Iraq or across the border - to strike at any concentration of terrorists.

Wow, guy's a clairvoyant.

Biden thinks he alone has the magic plan: Partition. Just as Iraqis seem to be on the point of starting to talk to each other.

He's a genius.

:puke:

[jaxx]

5. Too bad he voted to fund it longer.

[Jillian]

6. The reason Biden voted yes was because the bill that was passed

gave the soldiers the MRAPs that he has fought so hard to get for them.

[Hardrada]

24. Which are now known to no safer than the Humvees

and should be called CRAP vehicles!

[jillan]

31. Not according to DoD

The U.S. Navy evaluated nine suppliers for the procurement of Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) trucks, destined to augment and later replace up-armored HMMWVs currently operating in Iraq and Afghanistan. The new vehicles provides much improved protection , specifically against Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), which cause 70% of all U.S. casualties in Iraq.
http://www.defense-update.com/products/m/mrap.htm

you need to provide a link when you make a claim like that.

[Hardrada]

34. Like we can believe those guys at DOD!

Google MRAP and you should be able to come up with the information I found.
With relative ease.

[jillan]

36. I did - and the only negative article I found was what to do with them after this war is over.

But then again, I only looked at page one.

Maybe what you are referring to is on a further page?

Why would you be against a vehicle that could help the soldiers from all of these injuries? Sounds like someone else I know....

edit to add
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GFRC_enUS205US208&q=mrap+vehicles

[Hardrada]

39. I think we save them from harm by bringing them home from

this imbecilic war and not sending them out to die for imperialist/corporate profit. That should not be too hard a concept to grasp. In a previous existence, you would have been a scurrilous Red baiter!

And, yes, you did not look hard enough.

[BlooInBloo]

7. Fuck the war-funder.

[iamjoy]

9. Because Not Funding It Wouldn't End It

Dubya is a stubborn jerk. If Congress had not given him the funding, he would have kept the troops over there without funding them or found some other creative accounting way to get money for his little war. Remember he has friends from Enron - by the time the little shell game was discovered, Bush would be out of office.

Biden wasn't about to get into that pissing match with Dubya, or, maybe I should just say Biden wasn't about to play chicken with the lives of our soldiers.

I fully understand Biden's vote, and I don't hold it against him in the least. I have another candidate I am backing in this primary, but I don't like to see Biden pilloried for being sensible about this. If the media were fair, Biden would have had a better opportunity to explain his vote, but, well, if wishes were horses...

[Jillian]

10. Hey - if YOUR candidate(s) have a better plan for Iraq, then why are they not going to debate Biden?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-guttman/democratic-presidential-c_b_50386.html

[Hardrada]

12. Debate tomorrow at St. Anselm's College

wherever that is. Senator Mastercard will be there.

[IChing]

13. The bankruptcy vote and Iraq vote were part of the plan

Everyone thinks they are not connected, but as always
see who profits and see who it hurts.

[Jillian]

16. Of all the candidates - Biden has the least amount of personal cash.

He spent the last 30 years in the Senate...

not investing in Hedgefunds or Oil companies.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

18. Just spending it in the lowly Senate.

It must be awful for him.

[Jillian]

17. Fyi - the Bankruptcy Bill helped single mothers

A father can no longer file for bankruptcy as a way of getting out of paying child support.

It was not just for the credit cards.

[IChing]

20. Yeah right even an asshole republican didn't like what Joe put in it.

it was the Delaware Senators who balked at any amendments that would have stopped some of the worst abuse companies use when filing bankruptcy.

Even more instructive was what happened when a staunch conservative, Republican Sen. John Cornyn ? of Texas, tried to put a little balance into the bill.

As attorney general of Texas, Cornyn said the notorious Enron bankruptcy case "opened my eyes to a very real abuse in the current bankruptcy system," the loophole that allows corporations to go "judge-shopping" for jurisdictions with permissive standards. Enron, which had 7,500 employees in Houston, filed for bankruptcy in New York, where it had 57 workers, because New York, along with Delaware, is known as being lenient on big business.

Congress recently passed a law restricting plaintiffs in class-action suits from judge-shopping in the state courts, and Cornyn argued that it should also require corporate bankruptcy cases to be filed in their principal place of business. Citing cases of Polaroid, K-Mart, WorldCom and Enron, he said the judge-shopping loophole "serves to unfairly enable corporate debtors to evade their financial commitments, (and) it badly disables consumers, creditors, workers, pensioners, shareholders and small businesses from pursuing and receiving reasonable compensation from bankruptcy proceedings."

No one rose to dispute Cornyn. So what happened? He withdrew the amendment, without a vote, "out of respect to the managers of this bill who say that amendments to this bill would endanger its ultimate passage."

A Cornyn spokesman told me the bill sponsors said his amendment would cost them the support of the two Democratic senators from Delaware — that favorite haven for big business.

http://www.pacificviews.org/weblog/archives/000966.html

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-26.htm

Sorry your candidate has no credence, although he is OK until we get a better one from Delaware.

[jillan]

22. Since the GOP was the majority at that time

This makes absolutely no sense.

If Cornyn wanted an ammendment, his party had the power
to do just that.

[Jillian]

15. No - this is a debate ONLY on Iraq

Sponsored by John Hopkins School of Foreign Relations -
Not the debate on CNN -

[ck4829]

11. Talking is one thing, doing is another.

Is Biden up to the challenge?

[Jillian]

19. Biden is waiting for the other candidates to join him!

[unkachuck]

14. as john....

....mac-laugh-lin would say, joe has, '...stumbled into the obvious'....now, if joe would, '...stumble out of the primaries', I'd sleep better at night....

[njdemocrat106]

21. The thing about Biden...

He usually speaks out against Bush and the GOP, but he always seems to vote their way. He's a two-face.

[jillan]

23. Maybe you should check out his record before you accuse him of that

(the years posted are most current on site)

2006 Senator Biden supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 100 percent in 2006.

2004 Senator Biden supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2004.

2005 Senator Biden supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005

2006 In 2006 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Senator Biden a rating of A+.

2006 In 2006, The Genocide Intervention Network--Darfur Scores assigned Senator Biden a grade of A+ based on voting records, bill


2005-2006 Senator Biden supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 92 percent in 2005-2006.

2005 Senator Biden supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Senator Biden supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Senator Biden supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Senator Biden supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Senator Biden supported the interests of the Gun Owners of America 0 percent in 2005.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=53279
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yeah - he really votes with the GOP:rofl:

[BlooInBloo]

28. On average, he's about average...

http://www.progressivepunch.org/members.jsp?search=selectName&member=DEII&chamber=Senate&zip=&x=46&y=17

But the bankruptcy bill, funding the war, and general schmuckiness are enough for me to tell him to go to hell.

YMMV, of course.

[HardRocker05]

25. yeah, biden says a lot of things. nt

[Xenotime]

27. Congress has power of the purse...

They could have stopped it and they didn't

[leftofthedial]

29. he says plenty

when he's talking about allowing credit card companies to charge usurious interest (and hide that fact with misleading advertising)

and when he's talking about eliminating the protections of bankruptcy for consumers who have been driven into pennilessness by predatory lenders

he's a veritable fountain of saying stuff if it hurts Americans

[Toots]

30. What I can't figure out is why he even thinks he has a chance.

Doesn't he realize his past votes will be scrutinized? If he is that dim a bulb maybe thought should be given to a replacement for him..

[jillan]

32. You have every right to feel that way. That is the same way I feel

about Edwards.

[Horse with no Name]

33. Rhetoric doesn't stop wars.

Give me something to chew on here Joe--not just empty calories.

[jillan]

35. Well - since Biden and Levin with the first ones to bring up dissent on the war on the Senate floor

I think he has already given you something other than rhetoric.

Just because he voted to give the soldiers money for the MRAPs that he fought so hard to get does not mean that he is for this war.

[karynnj]

38. When was this?

It's hard to believe that it is true. Looking at Thomas - I can find Durbin, Byrd, and Kennedy speaking in early March before the war started.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. The Mouth that Never Closes issues more drivel.

The war that he helped start will end with no help from the eternal blabbermouth who is adept at uttering much and saying nothing...that he hasn't plagiarized.

[proud patriot]

40. he sounded so plastic when answering that question

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