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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:44 PM Original message |
Gay man beat "to the point of disfigurement" by three 19 year olds |
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Ishoutandscream2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. This shit will never end |
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dEMOK (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 02:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
41. This Shit Will End!... |
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dEMOK (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:17 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. (Well)... |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. what the fuck is wrong with some people |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
60. This is Amerika, he's lucky they all didn't blast him with an automatic pistol. |
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LastDemocratInSC (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
318. Here's info on a recent attack and subsequent death in Greenville, SC |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. I hope they throw the book at them |
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Stargazer99 (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
4. The end result of "Christian" religion |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Your comment |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Um, Religion is a set of ideas, not an inherent characteristic like sexuality. |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Well said. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Always 'the same league'. Yet what conservative Christians are being beaten to disfigurement? nt |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
26. I don't understand |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:19 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Hate crime legislation is not intended to give special treatment to some victims but not others. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:18 AM Response to Reply #27 |
62. Hate crimes laws do nothing for the victim |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Right now, with the rise of the political clout of the rightwing |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:47 AM Response to Reply #66 |
79. It is not acceptable |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #79 |
230. It's acceptable behind a wink and a nod |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #230 |
247. I agree with that |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #62 |
74. What if the basher is judgement proof? |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:49 AM Original message |
What are you talking about? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
416. You are wrong. That is not a fact at all. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
417. P.S. re: "...criminal laws have no provisions for restitution..." |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
215. Civil court?? Thanks VERY much for your support. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #215 |
250. You need to read as well as you emote |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #62 |
235. Wow. You have no idea what resources this legislation provides to local government. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #235 |
253. I said nothing about the legislation in particular |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #62 |
415. Criminal courts *do* involve themselves with retribution payments for victims. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
413. That's one of the best definitions I've read on DU... |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:12 AM Response to Reply #26 |
51. It is not the brutality of the behaviour alone that makes it a hate crime. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
67. To put it more bluntly for Nathan: we don't know that these |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #67 |
81. The Hate-theists raised the claim |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #67 |
88. Thank you. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #67 |
104. Thank you...The extrapolation of what is a terrible incident into |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
29. Domionists |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I know precisely who they are. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
69. Um, no, it isn't |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #69 |
91. God almighty!! |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 02:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
42. No, it is the end result of reaction formation gone to extreme. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 02:54 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I'm sorry to tell you, conservative Christians are at the forefront of fighting hate crime laws |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:17 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I'm sorry to tell you you've veered terribly from the post in question |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:34 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. The poster said "Christian" and was quite careful to say dominionist, no? |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #49 |
63. but there's no evidence that the perps were christians |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Exactly. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #63 |
72. In our society, the rightwing "Christian" movement gives |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:42 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. But, you see, there are thousands of other factors that contribute |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #75 |
86. In communist nations, where the state "religion" was atheism |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #75 |
272. I don't know that that is true, actually. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #272 |
279. You need to get out more |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #279 |
292. Ok, give me an example of one. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #292 |
305. Not every homophobe is a public figure |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #305 |
316. Are you able to name a person or not? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:05 AM Response to Reply #316 |
341. ::crickets :: crickets:: |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
213. As was pointed out, the conservative Christians are fighting hate crimes legislation |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #213 |
257. As was pointed out |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #257 |
293. How can you ignore the pervasive anti-gay bigotry perpetuated by the religious right? |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #293 |
304. Who is ignoring it? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #304 |
317. Nobody has said that "the perps must be christians." Nobody. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:24 AM Response to Reply #317 |
322. Not in those words |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #322 |
339. You aren't really reading the posts on this subject, are you? |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
245. Bluebear I think you've missed the point I was trying to make here |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #245 |
249. Understood. My only personal point is that conservative Christians... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #249 |
263. Some DUers also seem opposed to the idea |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #249 |
266. I would agree with you. I just couldn't allow the statement that brutal beating is |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
313. Saying Dobson speaks |
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siligut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
148. I suspect religion is guilty in many cases. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
229. Interesting theory |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #229 |
273. I know that that is true - certainly not all Christians are anti-gay bigots |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
243. Actually, Islam teaches that homosexuality is punishable by death |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #243 |
274. The common element is the fundamentalist, not the religion, imo |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
256. not just "Christian" religion... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
363. Silly old me... |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
5. Disgusting |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. just disgusting. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
7. Sick bastards. |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
8. Hope they get the maximum sentence possible. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
10. I got bashed |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Welcome to DU, SoonerPride! |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Yo. Hello yourself! |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. That's horrible, SP. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
25. I'm sorry to hear about your experience, but welcome to DU, SoonerPride (from another sooner) |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Boomer |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:44 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. SOONER |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 02:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Go. . . . . . . . .Big.. . . . . . . . ..Red.. . . . . . .. . . . . . . . GO BIG RED! |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #43 |
106. hehe |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #43 |
109. LOL...Here in NE, we have to earn our respect... |
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Socal31 (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
383. Careful my fellow fans! |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #383 |
411. Really? Where? When? Link? -nt |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #10 |
77. OK is a tough place for a gay person, I think. |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
214. Welcome to DU |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
11. oh man |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
14. this is so disturbing. i just cannot understand how people can hate so much. |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-02-07 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
15. Three against one, yeah, those are some.... |
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Missy M (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. My thoughts too.... |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
18. Falwell and Robertson's long reach |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:32 AM Response to Reply #18 |
70. Please point me to the sentence in the story above that says |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #70 |
108. Organized Religion is the only entity that puts out the meme |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Communists and Fascists also persecuted homosexuals |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #111 |
133. In those days, yes |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. Communists got their cues from organized religion? |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #138 |
143. Like I said an anti-christ among many |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #143 |
153. I mentioned Communism |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #153 |
158. The Soviets got thier social ideas from the Orthodox Church |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. Bwahahaha! |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. That's funny |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #158 |
233. Thanks for the laugh!! |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #233 |
277. If you think that people aren't influenced by the social beliefs of the times |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #277 |
280. Sometimes that influence is called "backlash" |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #280 |
281. Backlash of what? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #143 |
232. I've got a whole file of 'em. It comes up every three years |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #138 |
195. What the hell is an "ANtheist"? |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #195 |
198. It's a typo |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #198 |
203. If the debate is far from settled, why did you make the declaration you did? |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #203 |
206. because thats my opinion |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #138 |
412. Hitler was born and raised Catholic. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #108 |
231. Please see my post 229. nt |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #70 |
380. The person you're responding two only named four bigots. Just that. Didn't mention religion. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
20. mmmmm..... Christians. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
236. You know this how? I didn't see their religion mentioned. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
21. Sick |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
23. . . . |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
31. And this is in liberal Massachusetts. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Actually |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #32 |
65. That's because homophobia is found in all sorts of people |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
76. Why? |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #76 |
211. Please stop lecturing me. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #211 |
282. Check the Southern Poverty Law Center |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #282 |
290. Really? |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #290 |
312. Thanks |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
205. Unfortunately, this corner of MA has a reddish tinge |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #205 |
238. Yeah, I wasn't surprised to see it was northeast Mass |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
357. Lowell is just a shithole |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
34. I wish to hell he had been armed and shot the three bastards to death... |
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assclown_bush (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
35. I pray to Jesus Christ... |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:53 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. . |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:34 AM Response to Reply #40 |
52. "Distressingly apposite" is what I fix upon. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Proper following of any moral philosophy is |
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assclown_bush (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #55 |
196. I am a recovering Catholic... |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 02:47 AM Response to Reply #196 |
332. Hatred is not clarity, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #332 |
392. Deleted message |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 02:50 AM Response to Reply #200 |
333. Whilst admitting your problem is big of you |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #35 |
78. While that's a nice bumper sticker, where in the story does it |
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assclown_bush (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #78 |
201. I doubt that the story could "say" anything |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #201 |
241. Could be Muslim. They don't tend to be tolerant of gays, either. |
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assclown_bush (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #241 |
315. The perps could also be from a distant planet... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #315 |
326. Not if you knew about Lowell |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
240. I must have missed something. Where is their religion referenced? nt |
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Nicole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
36. That's horrible. |
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az chela (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
37. bushco and the right wing conservative christians |
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Faux pas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
38. The three Lowell men are the perfect example of why we need |
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nosmokes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
39. since the article was kind enough to supply their addresses i don't see how |
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siligut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
191. This is funny! |
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Onceuponalife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
45. Although I agree it's a horrible crime, and I strongly support |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:33 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. 'Decent (read smart) people are home in bed at that hour.' |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #45 |
80. I was a crime reporter for 12 years and can answer your question. |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:11 AM Response to Original message |
50. This is in Massachusetts, if you wanted to know... |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:39 AM Response to Original message |
53. This is a heinous crime except lacking in the definition of TERRORISM |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
54. Why is beating a gay man to the point of disfigurement worse... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:26 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. It's an emotional reaction to something horrible. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Sure. Motive has NEVER been taken in to account when charging or sentencing. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:06 AM Response to Reply #61 |
335. Give me an example of when it has been taken into account |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #335 |
414. The phrase Crime of Passion comes to mind |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:53 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. For several reasons |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. ... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. several things |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
258. Wrong.; Motive matters, that is why there isw different degrees of murder/homicide. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #258 |
285. actually motive and intent are different things |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #285 |
296. you are right, was using the words to poster I was replying to... |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #54 |
83. Forgive me if I come across as a little short but the intentional obtuseness....... |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Not to put too fine a point on it, but their are some bigots in our midst. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #87 |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #94 |
115. Did I call you a bigot? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #115 |
128. No, but you implied it. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #128 |
144. I freely admit I believe 99% percent of arguments against hate crime legislation... |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #83 |
92. ... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #92 |
99. ANY reason? Really? |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #92 |
102. So, it should make no difference if a man kills his wife.... |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. None of these can be compared. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #105 |
112. That's your OPINION. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #112 |
121. Sorry. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #121 |
129. I'm sorry, but murder is always a violent crime |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #105 |
113. Motive doesn't count? |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #113 |
120. Why obviously nothing. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #120 |
123. If you hit a kid by accident it would be manslaughter, not murder at all. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. So we should factor in intent when charging that crime but not this one? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Now you're just being sarcastic. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #127 |
130. No, s/he's also making a point |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #130 |
132. Uh, durrr, yeah, because I'm so slow... DURRR |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #132 |
135. Not to worry....now you can complain it was "implied" you were intellectually slow. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. Again, you are wrong |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #123 |
134. Then why do you distinguish between manslaughter and murder |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #92 |
142. So, you are telling me premeditated murder for profit motive.... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #142 |
336. You're still confusing motive with intent. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:42 AM Response to Reply #336 |
337. You CONVENIENTLY ignored part of my post. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #337 |
345. I guess you're going to ignore the request (posted above) for examples. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #54 |
85. It's called "intent" |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #54 |
93. When someone beats a gay man like this, they are doing two things |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #93 |
97. You have neither answered my question nor made a case for these laws. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. *I* don't have any logic? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #100 |
110. ... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #110 |
116. That's illogical |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #116 |
125. The motivations behind anti-black crimes are different... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #125 |
131. Not true |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #131 |
137. Yes, it sounds like there is some self-hatred there... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. Sexual pleasure? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #139 |
145. So wait... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #145 |
155. The abuse left him with a disfigured and dysfunctional penis |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. HE was abused by a pedophile. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #157 |
168. He was also a homosexual |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #168 |
178. But you get what I'm saying, right? |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #178 |
194. Again |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #125 |
242. I love how you make these assertions as though you were talking about |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #125 |
248. There is no way on earth you can assume that every person who commits an anti-gay crime is gay |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #248 |
251. IMHO you may as well just talk to your mouse. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #251 |
261. It's just frustrating |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #261 |
264. She also claims that no one can determine someone else's motives |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #110 |
118. That is the only reason you can think of why someone would hate gay people that much? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #118 |
126. Yes, most self-hating repressed gays learn their self-hate from parents - so what? |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #126 |
140. It's pretty homophobic |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #140 |
146. Suppressed/repressed homosexuals are not "gays". |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #146 |
156. So closeted gays are not gay? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. I never said they ALL were. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #159 |
169. What you like to apply the term "gay" to is irrelevant |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #169 |
174. "gay" is inextricably intertwined with the struggle of gay people to be out and free... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #174 |
177. Not anymore |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #174 |
265. bullshit. gay means homosexual. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #265 |
286. "out and free, happy and proud" = flaunting one's sexuality? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #146 |
262. Closeted gays aren't gay? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #140 |
154. More... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #154 |
161. That research doesn't prove your point |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #161 |
165. Why should I demostrate a belief I don't hold? |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #165 |
170. "Often" "always" |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #97 |
114. It's been pointed out multiple times on this board why this is offensive |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #114 |
141. Oh brother. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #141 |
188. I'm going to repeat this |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #114 |
344. Thank you, lwfern! |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #97 |
151. Bullshit! |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. That's vandalism and terrorism. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #152 |
164. Terrorism? That sounds like a crime based on MOTIVE. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. It's not the family's being black that makes it a serious crime. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. And the threat in singling out people based on inate traits doesn't exist... |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #167 |
171. Again, the threat is the issue, not the innate traits. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #171 |
173. Wrong again |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. It would be SO nice if we lived in that perfect world... |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #175 |
181. Actually, I would say some "hate crimes" would qualify as terrorism. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. So now the argument is SEMANTICS????? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #183 |
186. Terrorism is terrorism because of what the crime is, not because of who the victim is. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #186 |
190. Hate crimes are hate crimes because of what the crime is, not because of who the victim is. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #190 |
239. Back to square one is right! |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #54 |
96. To the victim the motive doesn't matter physically. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. It could be argued that homophobia... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. No, it can't |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #101 |
107. There's nothing sane about homophobia. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #107 |
122. You are entitled to your own opinions |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #98 |
403. True, but in this society we are not so clear on that |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #96 |
222. It is society punishing certain motives more harshly than others |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
254. Why is burning a cross on the lawn of a black family worse... |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #54 |
325. well, considering that the beating wouldn't happen against a straight man or woman, because it was |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
378. It isn't. However, some people target gays, justifying their violence |
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Nunyabiz (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
58. I guarantee all 3 of them are Fundy Xians n/t |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
71. Fuckers! |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
73. Shit like this makes me want to resume some old habits. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
82. Jonathan M. Artis, Child and Family Services, Community Teamwork, Inc. |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
84. I can't fathom having that much hate inside ... |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
89. "Hate crime" is a bad name for what is needed. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
90. I like this approach: |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
95. Deleted message |
doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #95 |
103. IMO, references to prison sodomy |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #103 |
117. It's not just your opinion. |
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SalmonChantedEvening (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
119. . |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
147. The debate here is pretty stupid. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. ??? |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #149 |
172. Because of the discrepancy between the stimulus and the act |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #172 |
182. For someone who takes me to task for opinions based on feeling... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. Science, law, and history prove you wrong |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #184 |
189. So because disagreements escalating into violence are more common than gay-bashing... |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #189 |
192. Of course. Determining "normality" is a numbers game |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #149 |
208. Reality, but apparently you're living elsewhere. nt |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #208 |
288. That's not an answer. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #288 |
291. I'm not sure where bar fighting came into this... |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:55 PM Response to Reply #291 |
294. The previous post claimed that attacks over arguments were more "normal" |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #288 |
295. Good God-Give it a rest will you? |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #295 |
297. I didn't trivialize anything. |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #297 |
301. You are NOT getting it... |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #301 |
303. Maybe so. Maybe I'm clueless. But there is much your side is not getting, too. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #303 |
307. So what? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #303 |
310. "it will make the more sociopathic of the attackers less honest and more calculating" |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #288 |
298. If you can't see the difference between a bar fight and a bigoted attack... |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #298 |
300. There may or may not be a difference. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #300 |
309. Gay men do not get bashed for what they do |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
150. Hate can be a powerful, destructive thing |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
160. How disgusting. As a homosexual, these kind of stories send chills up and down my spine n/t |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
176. Way to go, Bush! |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
179. I'm tired of all senseless crime. I am not sure why humans must |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #179 |
185. Aggravating circumstances. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
180. Fuckers...throw |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
187. "Mayhem"? |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #187 |
319. IIRC, Mayhem refers to grievous bodily harm.....like breaking bones etc. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
193. The world is a dangeous place. For everyone. Protect yourself. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
197. Not just beaten by vicious animals, his own community will shun him too. |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. A very perceptive point |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #197 |
216. Why? |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #216 |
244. I doubt you will get a response. |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #244 |
255. Thats what I thought it was |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #255 |
267. I thought the "community" referenced |
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siligut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #255 |
278. Permanent disfigurement? |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #278 |
338. Hypnotoad said |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:03 AM Response to Reply #338 |
340. I, too, watched many friends die from AIDS in the past |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #197 |
259. Oh frigging brother -- not this yet again |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #197 |
347. What's that supposed to mean? n/t |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
202. Fear breeds fear. |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
204. This attack happened in the neighborhood I grew up in |
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doggyboy (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #204 |
207. Where i grew up, and now live is a lot like that |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
209. k&r for Bluebear!...n/t |
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Reterr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
210. k&r.eom |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
212. Good God-what is wrong with these people? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #212 |
218. And read upthread, here come our "progressive" colleagues to argue against hate crime laws |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #218 |
221. Yup |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
217. This is going to be an interesting July on DU. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #217 |
219. All they need do is come here for nice, concise talking points |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #219 |
220. You got that right, buddy. |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #217 |
223. I don't understand why something like this |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #223 |
224. The majority of us here do not understand, as well. |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #224 |
225. Yay for loony lefties |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #225 |
226. I'm in for that toast! |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #226 |
260. Me too |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #225 |
227. Cheers to the loony lefties. |
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Reterr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #225 |
271. Yeah thank God for the few left nam |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #225 |
299. 3 cheers for loony lefties. |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #217 |
376. I'm a loony lefty who doesn't like hate crimes legislation |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
228. what the fuck is wrong with people? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
234. It is unlikely that the assailents were fundamentalists but |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #234 |
237. Yes, the religious zeal comes into play with fighting the proposed hate crimes legislation |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #237 |
246. Knowledge vs Belief |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
252. Deleted message |
Reterr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
268. This thread has become truly disgusting |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #268 |
269. THE definitive post. |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #268 |
270. KICK |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #268 |
287. Thank-you Reterr!...n/t |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #268 |
308. Since when is hate-crime legislation "non-controversial"? |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #308 |
314. It only became controversial once the LGBT community wanted to be included. |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #268 |
349. HIs life hasn't been ruined becaus of his |
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Reterr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #349 |
350. eh...that is what I meant |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #350 |
359. You are not alone in that feeling. |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #268 |
377. It depends on the particular bill, I guess |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
275. This *proves* they're not gay! |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
276. That there is even a debate over whether there is a need for hate crimes laws saddens me.... |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #276 |
289. Thank-you Marmar...n/t |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
283. It's Not Worth It |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #283 |
284. Lee, my ignore list has grown by leaps and bounds, honey |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #283 |
320. I do support your right to marry and adopt kids. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #320 |
324. 'I disagree on that one point' - and it's a big point to GLBT people, unfortunately |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 01:04 AM Response to Reply #324 |
327. Well, there you go... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #327 |
328. This legislation seeks to add gay people to other classes already protected. |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 01:12 AM Response to Reply #328 |
329. Not heterosexual, bisexual. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 01:20 AM Response to Reply #329 |
330. Well that is the purpose of this legislation.... |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 01:27 AM Response to Reply #330 |
331. That law is not a blanket hate crime law, but a protection of minorities in certain activities. |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #331 |
346. No, it was about a man who was bludgeoned and beaten |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #320 |
358. "if this is an issue close to your heart" |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #358 |
365. PS |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #320 |
423. Like, WOW! I Must Really Have Gotten In Your Head. ROFLMAO! |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
302. I agree with others..this thread has become just sucky |
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Matsubara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #302 |
306. Believe it or not, I agree with you. |
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Pace (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-03-07 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
311. Attempted Murder charges perhaps???? |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
321. As I peruse this thread, as I did when it was much shorter, I can |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #321 |
323. Yet you are against hate crime laws. nt |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:50 AM Response to Reply #323 |
334. Yes I am. All people are should be treated the same, that is what |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #334 |
348. That's the same thing Robin Hayes said when I sent him a letter |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #348 |
352. Are you saying that equality is not an issue? I'm just a little |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #352 |
366. Makes me SICK. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #366 |
370. "...we are treated as Less Than Human..."and that is my entire |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #370 |
371. I can't even read all your wrongness |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 03:25 AM Response to Reply #370 |
407. You must be living in a Fairy Tale World. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #407 |
409. As long as you maintain that attitude, it never will happen... |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #352 |
375. Hate Crimes have diddlyshit to do with creating a special class of anything! |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #321 |
418. Re: ...I don't know if that makes those instances "hate crimes"... |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
342. I once asked why even with a Congress conrolled by Dems, |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
343. I cannot believe some of the "progressive" comments on this thread |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #343 |
353. Amen to that. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #353 |
354. I have some ideas |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #354 |
355. I don't know any "progressives" who would vote against hate crimes legislation |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #355 |
356. Exactly... |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #355 |
360. Hmmm, indeed. Agreed. n/t |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #360 |
372. I'll add to the Humming Chorus. |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #372 |
374. Kick |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #343 |
361. Exactly. |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #343 |
379. April 15th was the last time I didn't think that we must all be on the wrong damned board |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #379 |
393. What happened on April 15th? |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
351. What vile, disgusting human beings |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #351 |
362. with no chance of parole. |
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Zero Division (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
364. Hate crime laws and the criticisms of some civil libertarians |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #364 |
367. Thank-you SO Much |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #364 |
373. I suppose, that if someone is convicted of a crime, say beating |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #373 |
381. 'accosted by 3 gay men who decided to beat me senseless...perhaps they hated me for being straight' |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #381 |
387. Which is why I used 'hypothetical' as a caveat... |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #373 |
382. When someone beats someone up, it is a criminal case |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #382 |
385. "A person is physically assaulted, AND a community is terrorized." |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #382 |
388. "A person is physically assaulted, AND a community is terrorized." |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #388 |
390. Gangs are not the same situation by a long shot |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #390 |
394. I beg to differ... |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:56 AM Response to Reply #394 |
408. Thankfully, most people in this country disagree with you about hate crime legislation |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #373 |
384. You really didn't read it then |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #384 |
389. Please don't call me a bigot, it is unbecoming and you know |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #389 |
400. What you espouse |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #400 |
404. OK, have it your way... |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #404 |
406. You Have No Idea |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #373 |
386. "Should I press the prosecutor to charge these men w/a hate crime, I can't do that." |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #373 |
391. Who are these "special classes" of people you speak? |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #391 |
395. I kind of take offense at this: |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #395 |
396. "Every time one group is elevated above another" = "special rights" |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #396 |
399. I am as far from RW as one can get...all I'm looking for is |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #399 |
419. Equal treatment under the law... that's exactly what the legislation proposes, isn't it? |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #395 |
397. You still haven't answered the question: Which group is elevated above another? |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #397 |
398. Look at it as leapfrogging...someone jumps ahead of another... |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #398 |
401. We are back to the right-wing talking points again. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #398 |
420. W.T.F.??? |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
368. So do those cowards feel manly for what they did? Three against one? |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
369. They're jerks! |
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Reterr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
402. Good God |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:37 AM Response to Reply #402 |
405. With Friends Like Some of The Ones |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
410. Oh man...I can't believe what I'm reading here. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #410 |
421. It's crazed, isn't it? |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
422. I get so upset over this.. |
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