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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 02:54 PM
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New Jersey couple seek answers in daughter's death during school trip to Ghana
Source: Associated Press

New Jersey couple seek answers in daughter's death during school trip to Ghana

By David Porter
ASSOCIATED PRESS

12:30 a.m. June 2, 2007

FORT LEE, N.J. – When Lola Moore thinks back to the day her daughter and two dozen of her classmates said their goodbyes as they prepared to leave for a trip to Ghana, one moment is especially haunting.

“The last thing the chaperones said was, 'Don't worry – we'll take good care of her,'” Moore recalled Friday as she fought back tears. “And she was the only one who didn't come home.”

Six weeks after 18-year-old Phylicia Moore's body was discovered at the bottom of a hotel swimming pool in the Ghanaian capital of Accra, Lola and Douglas Moore are demanding answers to questions they say have not been adequately answered by the initial investigation in Ghana or by school officials in Teaneck.

Read more: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20070602-0030-schooltripdeath.html



(Parents should think twice before allowing their kids to go on these quasi-3rd-world nation juntas. Too many American kids showing up dead or missing. And the local law enforcement is almost always a joke.)
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 02:56 PM
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1. I watched the parents in an interview this am
heartbreaking :(
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 03:32 PM
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2. I led a student trip to Italy last year, it was once of the best
experiences I've ever had. But I know in a lot of ways I was lucky, and of course there are huge differences between Italy and Ghana besides. But still, news like this always sends a shiver down my spine.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 04:23 PM
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3. Far and large, most trips are perfectly safe--we only hear about the ones that *do* go bad
Edited on Sat Jun-02-07 04:23 PM by WindRavenX
Still, this is terribly tragic and it sounds that the school did not have proper safety in mind for this trip :(
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 05:48 PM
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4. My 8th grade daughter wanted to travel to Spain with a small
group of students and 3 spanish teachers. They would have been staying in private homes, many were homes of the teachers' family members. She was very upset when I told her no. She said she had been selected because she was one of the best students in her class and the teacher thought immersion would be a great experience. I still said no. I told her that I was supposed to guarantee her safety and protection as she was growing up. When she got to college and wanted to do study abroad, then that would be her decision and her expense, but that I was not prepared to let her go into an element that I knew nothing about when she was 13 yo.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 07:37 PM
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5. oh man, I would have let mine go
Edited on Sat Jun-02-07 07:38 PM by Kali
what an opportunity. And I would probably have been trying to weasel my way in as a chaperon too (an not for particularly altruist reasons) OK I am a travel whore, I can live with it.



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:27 PM
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 07:43 PM
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6. I have an 8th grader, too, and I agree with you.
A group from my daughter's school spent Spring break in Washington DC. The trip involved a flight from California, a week of bus travel, and stays in hotels with a few teacher/chaperones. Call me overprotective, but 13 is too young for that kind of trip. High school is soon enough.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:29 PM
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 11:07 PM
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12. 13 is too young for my daughter to travel 3000 miles
away from me. Period.

Is it really any business of yours to pass judgment on what another person you've never met believes is an appropriate activity for their child?
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okoboji Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 07:07 AM
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15. I was 10
when I took a trip to our nation's capital w. teachers/chaperons


and I had very protective parents. Granted this also occurred in 1977.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 05:27 PM
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17. Did you travel across the country on a red-eye to get there?
The kids from my daughter's school leave LAX late afternoon. Then a layover in San Francisco (to pick up kids from other schools) and an overnight redeye to DC where a bus is waiting to take them on a full day of sightseeing. Last year the pace was too hectic and a bunch of kids got sick. Uh, no thanks.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 10:26 PM
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10. I agree with you for several reasons.
Edited on Sat Jun-02-07 10:29 PM by Divernan
I have 3 grown kids and they each spent a lot of time abroad during their college years and in their 20's. One did her entire undergrad degree abroad; another spent a year in the Indonesian rain forest, as well as remote areas of India & Africa. Another lived a summer in Germany. I am a very strong advocate of young people spending time in a foreign CULTURE, not just briefly visiting a country.

However, absent one-on-one chaperones, I wouldn't place 13 year olds at the risks one must be prepared for in traveling to another country. For an example, a lot of 13 year old girls dress in such a way that they can pass for being 18, i.e., adult. In a lot of foreign cultures, such dress is the mark of a street walker. This can result in some sexual encounters/approaches which 13 year olds are not prepared to handle. And just because the kids would be staying with teachers' "family members" does not insure that there are no horny brothers/cousins/uncles/neighbors on the scene. Are the family members getting paid for providing room and board? That would raise a red flag with me about the program. I wouldn't let my kids at 13 stay overnight with families I did not know, whether in the US or elsewhere.

Even with a group of excellent chaperones, I think that third world countries are risky because of their low level of medical care, and high level of endemic diseases, such as malaria. Third world countries currently have outbreaks/epidemics of Cholera, Typhoid Fever, Rift Valley Fever, Malaria, Mumps, Measles,Meningitis, Hepatitis A & E, Dengue Fever, encephalitis, paralytic polio, rabies and spider bites. Several of these diseases are spread through mosquito bites. I wouldn't count on 13 year olds to use enough DEET daily on both clothing and skin to protect themselves. "EEEWWWW, it smells gross", "it feels icky" or "it makes my skin break out."
Chaperone: "Heather, did you put insect repellent all over your clothing and skin?"
Heather: "Oh yes, Mrs. Smith" ("not").
In the event of an emergency, medical care may be unavailable or substandard.

Another risk is the language barrier. If visiting a country where one doesn't speak the langauge (unlike Spanish students going to Spain, and I mean more fluency than looking up phrases in a guidebook), a kid could get in a lot of trouble if they were somehow separated from the group and unable to communicate with the locals.

A friend of mine recently spent two weeks with a volunteer USA group which is involved in building a medical clinic about 30 miles outside the capitol. Ghana was so bankrupt/impoverished some years back that its basic infrastructure, including hospitals and medical clinics, collapsed. Having nowhere to work, most of their medical staff emigrated to places like the UK and the US. One such Ghana MD, an oncologist, now based in Illinois, funded and headed the group building the clinic.
My friend had to get a boatload of innoculations before making the trip. About 2 months after he returned, he had a severe attack of diverticulitis, requiring immediate surgery and a 5 day hospital stay. He commented he'd probably have died if this had happened to him in Ghana.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 09:14 AM
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16. I would allow a 13 year old to travel to Europe, Africa would concern me a bit more
Edited on Sun Jun-03-07 09:44 AM by Kali
for the reasons you cite. (not the wardrobe one - come on! some parental instruction here, please) However the original OP was about an 18 year old and until more is known I concur with a poster above - it sounds like the sort of thing that could have happened anywhere with a person that age (god the stupid things I did at that age - nobody could have "chaperoned" me!)

Language has only ever been a barrier to me in having deep conversation about complicated ideas. So many people speak English, or they immediately know another person or authority who does that that would not be much of a problem. That is one of the whole points of going!

If people let the fear of some POTENTIAL illness prevent them from doing things they would never go anywhere. Well I guess a lot of people do let fear keep them from traveling, and that same fear is also one of the reasons idiots like boosh can get away with some of the crap they do - the fear and ignorance of strange "others" makes it much easier to demonize potential targets for way too many of our citizens.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 01:07 AM
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13. My wife's parents try to stop her from spending a summer in Europe
Edited on Sun Jun-03-07 01:07 AM by DBoon
They were very concerned about her safety.

She finally told them the only thing that would stop her would be her own death.

She went.

I love my wife.

PS. She was 16 at the time.....
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:31 PM
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9. Just an aside, but...Juntas?
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 07:01 AM
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14. Thanks for pointing that out
Dumb choice of words on my part. I think I was thinking of "junket", but even that word doesn't make sense in this context. :blush:
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 10:34 PM
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11. My brother travelled to Laos at 13 in 1970
He flew there alone and was met in Bangkok (if I recall correctly) by my uncle, who had been living there for years. He travelled through Thailand and Laos in the company of my aunt and uncle for three weeks. They knew the territory like the back of their hand, so he was never in danger. It was the trip of a lifetime.

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