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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:29 PM Original message |
Excuse me, but is this faith-based panderfest necessary? |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. No shit! |
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Terri S (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
54. believe it or not, faith is important to a lot of people |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
149. Dr. King never gave a rat's ass about other peoples' faiths-- |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #149 |
223. Agree & disagree ..... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:34 PM Response to Reply #223 |
251. I mean publicly |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:28 AM Response to Reply #251 |
260. Perhaps better: |
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LSparkle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. He's disappointing me -- I thought Edwards handled his segment better |
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Bjornsdotter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. Count me out |
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KatyaR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. Nice analogy-- |
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Bjornsdotter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Excellent article |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. KEEP RELIGION OUT OF MY GOVERNMENT! WTF? What are they doing?! |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. These aren't fundie wacko nut jobs |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I don't care what they are. That crap need to remain in their CHURCHES. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
68. Now who is intolerant????? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. SURPRISE!!! |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:03 PM Response to Reply #68 |
138. haha |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #138 |
224. We're so RADICAL!!! That damn Constitution gets in the way of our logical thinking every time! |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #224 |
263. Your post |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #263 |
264. Who cares what you think? I don't. You're perfectly happy letting religion into our government and I |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #264 |
265. No I am not. |
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PaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
78. well.............. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #78 |
211. So, you know "thoughtful, moderate Christians,.." |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
79. They're not pandering to wacko's. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
99. You are terribly misinformed about Sojourners if that is what you believe. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
126. I know who they are. I'm on their email list. I get emails from them weekly. This crap does not |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #126 |
161. really, why don't we just kick them all out? |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #161 |
222. They never shoved their religion down our throats...that's why. n/t |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:31 AM Response to Reply #126 |
191. Why not? |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #191 |
221. Why as a stream of influence? Why does a politician have to be 'religious' |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #221 |
252. No there should be no religioujs requirement |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 02:07 AM Response to Reply #10 |
188. No, we DO need religious people's votes |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #188 |
206. no, we DO need to educate religious people. Period. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #206 |
218. Maybe they could even learn to spell "fundamentally." |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #218 |
230. oops. i intended fundiementally, but |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. then perhaps they need to review the separation of CHURCH & STATE. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. What violation |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. "no religious Test shall ever be required" |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. 'a religious test is required by giving tacit approval by submitting to one themselves' |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Discussing one's faith |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Discussing one's faith on CNN sure as hell is. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. How is it a religious test? |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
71. Here here. |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
129. I myself am an atheist... |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. They made a Choice - it was not required nor is it for any other candidate |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Yes they did. I hope we can live with it. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
130. Like hell that's a choice |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #130 |
162. you have contradicted yourself |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #162 |
172. So please tell me why propaganda is illegal? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #172 |
175. is it? My companion to SCOTUS says nothing about it. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:24 AM Response to Reply #172 |
176. propaganda is not illegal |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Sorry |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. I'll repeat my other post - discussing one's faith on CNN is |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. oh please |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Watch for it. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. well |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
108. The letter of or the spirit of the Constitution? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:45 PM Response to Reply #108 |
115. You're being ridiculous |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #115 |
204. And you're being insulting. eod n/t |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #108 |
209. Martin Luther?! Martin Luther had nothing to do with the Constitution |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #209 |
215. Luther Martin |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #215 |
219. Oh, never mind |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
164. to restrict faith to 'private practice' is unconstitutional |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #164 |
205. How the hell did you make that leap? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 02:12 AM Response to Reply #56 |
189. But people might photograph them entering a church |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
101. but that is hardly the case here. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
216. Getting votes from the electorate is not a qualification. No one's name was removed from the ballot |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
220. The Const. never said anything about "in the eyes of the electorate" |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
226. Yours is the most right on post in this thread -- which I have read in its entirety. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. If they are trying to out-GOP the GOP, forget it. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. The sponsors, Sojourners, are LIBERALS |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. They well may be, but I don't need faith to be liberal and moral. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. That's fine for you, but there are lots of religious LIBERALS. Our party is a big tent. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. "Our party is a big tent." As if an atheist could get the nomination. nt |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. In time, that will happen. NT |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. NOT when you have religious groups on BOTH sides vying for power |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
112. AH but I think that is the difference between the Christian Right and the Christian left |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
103. They were all invited. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #103 |
173. No they weren't |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:24 AM Response to Reply #173 |
190. WELL DAMN... THEY SHOUL;D HAVE BEEN |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. And also the only ones pushing POVERTY ISSUES!! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Yes, we know. No gays or atheists support poverty issues. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. I figured you'd want to fight about that. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Whatever. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:09 AM Response to Reply #36 |
196. Wow - that's a cheap shot |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
212. Gay and Christian are not mutually exclusive. |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. THANK YOU!!! |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Neither will I and ... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Here, I'll help. Clinton was just asked what she prays for. |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Next question: What's your favorite color? |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Oh, yuck! |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
136. The proper answer......... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
154. Not everybody, even in the Judaeo-Christian tradition, does petitionary prayer |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #154 |
174. I pray for Al Gore tto declare his candidacy |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
57. everybody would be snarking if it were the religious wingnuts |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. Paula Zahn: The church says homosexuality is WRONG!!! |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
155. Since when do ALL churches say those things? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. Fine. Find me a Unitarian candidate. nt |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #156 |
233. Obama is the closest you'll find in this election cycle. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #155 |
214. Neither does the United Church of Christ |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
225. Clinton and Edwards' church may say homosexuality is wrong |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. Just one of those annoying little aspects of American Democracy |
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shenmue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
23. "No law respecting an establishment of religion" |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. and what law |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
100. Please tell me how having a forum on faith |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. Gee....I guess it doesn't. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
124. Well Kudos On Being Able To Quote Things. But You Realize That Has Nothing To Do With Anything Here |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #124 |
167. Will you be drumming your fingers & tapping your toes? |
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StudentsMustUniteNow (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
25. I consider myself religious and this thing infuriates me. it's so insulting |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Deleted message |
nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
26. big k 'n r |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
29. To Americans it is. |
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murloc (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
33. If they want to win it is. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
38. The biannual circus is in town and the clowns are in the center ring. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
41. WTF? Is it just me or is Jesse Jackson disconnectedly rambling? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
42. I think it is a chance to take a tool out of Republican hands |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
80. Exactly right. I for one got sick of the RW co-opting "God." |
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JANdad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
44. Hey folks... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Yes, this will attract the "God made Adam & Eve, not Steve" crowd. |
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JANdad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Oh for Chisakes... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. 'Your response is about as close minded as those you diparage.' Baloney |
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JANdad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Bush won on Faith |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. If people think liberals are "ungodly", so be it. |
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JANdad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Then don't watch it...eom |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Thank you, that's very helpful. Meanwhile, Edwards lost my vote tonight. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
135. What do we have to lose? |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #64 |
142. And, if you recall.......... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
73. "I'm all for it"... and so are poor people! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #73 |
109. Not this poor person. I could use some talk about policy, I don't need pie in the sky when I die. |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:14 PM Response to Reply #109 |
143. Thank you, ditto for me. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #109 |
253. There are candidates who *HAVE* been proposing policy.. especially Edwards. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
81. I want somebody in office that will help put the breaks on our rising theocracy, |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:01 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Amen. |
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trashcanistanista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #81 |
243. Amen to that! |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
46. Recommended.nt |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
51. Totally agree. It is un-American and irrational. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
53. K&R n/t |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
58. Biden now: "We're the only nation founded on the fact there is a God!" |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. not that i ever would have considered voting for the fuckwad... |
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AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
89. Blessed are the poor |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
125. Fact? The existence of God is not a fact. |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
59. Vomitous n/t |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
60. Once again, a minority is swept aside because....who you going to vote for otherwise? |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. funny how those 'more important issues' never quite get settled. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. I now know they all "pray every day", but not what they will do about gas prices. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
66. Yes. |
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anitar1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
75. Why don't they just dunk all of them,as in the old |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Don't give them any ideas. nt |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #75 |
122. If they believe in nut'n but fuck'n nut'n I want to know that too. |
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AndreaCG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
76. That's one big reason he's not getting my vote in the primary |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
123. Do you have a rational basis for this feeling about Obama? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
83. I think unless we want An Coulter defining "God" it is necessary, unfortunately. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Hugs back, hon... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. LOL, |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Edwards ----> Kucinich for me... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. That's my personal plan! |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
84. Where does all this anger come from? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. Oh, blow it out your ass already. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. Ok.... and here is my other ear too |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #84 |
116. Frankly, I strongly suspect that none of the candidates are persons of faith. |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Becoming wealthy does not imply a lack of Godliness. |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #120 |
127. What you have to do these days to become wealthy is what implies a lack of Godliness. |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #116 |
145. That is a very good point and one which |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:05 PM Response to Reply #84 |
139. Sojourners are Christians, right? |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:43 AM Response to Reply #139 |
193. Evangelicals do not necessarily believe in inerrancy |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #193 |
254. If you're saying that . . . |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 04:54 AM Response to Reply #254 |
258. I was referring specifically to the intersection of faith and Politics |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:50 AM Response to Reply #139 |
197. Not quite right, I think |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #197 |
255. "Many" does not apply to evangelicals. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #84 |
178. That's as well as it can be said. |
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AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
85. Biblical injunctions??? |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #85 |
141. Speaking of injunctions, |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #85 |
179. It's a jewish one |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
86. Totally gross! |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
88. al, al, al. please save us al |
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WiseButAngrySara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:20 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. Is this Al Gore you seem to be praying to? Baptist Al Gore? ....n/t |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #97 |
131. baptist al gore who |
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WiseButAngrySara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:56 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. So is Edwards. And Clinton. Did you listen tonight? ....n/t |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:07 AM Response to Reply #131 |
195. You know that Al Gore went to Divinity School, don't you? |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
94. This is pathetically sad |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
95. Did the rest of you on here actually hear what Obama said |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:20 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. I heard what he said. I dont understand what all the fuss is about |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. It's just frustrating when I see posts reacting to one sentence |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Im annoyed by this entire thread and others like it |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. Sorry you're annoyed, but I am a New Hampshire primary voter too |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:34 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Did I ever say that they didnt care more about one thing or the other? |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #111 |
117. Many of the people on these threads complaining about this |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. Well that audience sure enjoyed what they were getting. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:01 AM Response to Reply #117 |
259. ... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:30 PM Response to Reply #95 |
107. Are you saying I misquoted him? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
105. I totally agree! |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
113. Only if the "Values Voter" is as all-fucking-powerful as the M$M wants you to believe. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. You said it. nt |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #113 |
180. That's very perceptive: |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:48 AM Response to Reply #180 |
181. It'd be nice if they could adopt some brave stands on a lot of things, wouldn't it? |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
118. I'd rather have facts inform our policies. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
121. Nothing Wrong With It. Not Sure I Understand The Level Of Feigned Outrage At It Or Anything Though. |
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Dukkha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
128. pandering to the naive and gullible |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
132. k&r He lost my support the last time he invoked his mythology |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:56 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. Whatever happened to IDEAS? |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
137. It's not a pander if he believes it |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
140. WE ALREADY HAVE A THEOCRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE!! |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
144. Yeah, fuck that. I refuse to watch that shit. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
146. people want a candidate who will tell them the same lies they tell themselves |
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AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
147. Did they happen to ask their opinions about non-Christian religions? |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #147 |
151. You mean cults? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #147 |
153. No, they aren't "real" Americans. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
148. Too bad nobody has the guts to say: I'll just pursue my faith and |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
150. Dam Pandas! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #150 |
182. Paul Tsongas used to carry a "pander bear" around with him on the campaign trail :) |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
152. It's called letting others direct you about what the important issues are. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:34 AM Response to Reply #152 |
192. Not necessarily |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:20 AM Response to Reply #192 |
198. With the major issues before this nation |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:57 AM Response to Reply #198 |
200. Actually |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:57 AM Response to Reply #198 |
201. Actually |
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CAG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
157. Of the six billion people on this earth, the majority claim a religion, be it |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #157 |
185. I never said they were stupid. I said it doesn't apply to me. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
158. Actually it is, in these times. I thought Hillary did very well; got lots of applause. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. Btw, does anyone know when the re-run will be? I missed most of the live broadcast. nt |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
159. Yes, it is. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
163. Got link? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. Well, this topic originated from a live forum going on at the time |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #165 |
168. A transcript perhaps? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. Talking about the OP right? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #169 |
170. Yep... |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #170 |
171. Okay. I was watching the forum |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:52 AM Response to Reply #169 |
184. Yes, I did, and I did it right as the forum was going on. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 02:02 AM Response to Reply #169 |
187. For your convenience :) Transcripts now available |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:50 AM Response to Reply #168 |
183. Don't you fucking call me an ass. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #168 |
256. It's a live event, dumbass. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-04-07 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
166. Reality check: What Obama REALLY has said about faith and politics |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #166 |
177. Well, can we ask believers to leave the faith part behind-- |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:50 AM Response to Reply #166 |
194. thanks for posting this |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #166 |
203. That statement |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
186. I am so sick of this crap too |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:30 AM Response to Original message |
199. I guess I'm in shock. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #199 |
202. Thank you. nt |
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HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
207. BEAM ME UP, SCOTTY |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
208. "Faith" is creeping back into policy, and not just fundies |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
210. Seems to me |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
213. Hasn't this past 6-year experiment in Faith-Based Governance taught us something? |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #213 |
257. I think the phrase is "taught us nothing." |
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DancingBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
217. It's part of Pandering 101 |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
227. Well from my atheistic POV |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
228. Hillary and Obama both pander their "faith". (NT) |
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mconvente (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
229. What would happen if Al Gore decided to run and then decided to talk about his faith? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #229 |
231. And a Baptist. nt |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #229 |
232. I don't know, let's see if he does. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #232 |
237. He's a Baptist. why wouldn't he talk publicly about his faith? nt |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
234. calm down, folks |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #234 |
238. Let me know when they address gas prices, health care & HOW they will end the war. |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #238 |
239. that was what the forum was about |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #239 |
240. So, Americans have to go to individual websites for those answers, |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:37 PM Response to Reply #240 |
242. what do you want? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #242 |
244. 'That gave the candidates as much time as they wanted'..unless they were Kucinich, Dodd, etc |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #244 |
250. I'll rephrase |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #234 |
241. Agree ... I'm not religious, but many of those who vote are ... |
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bamacrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
235. As the five myths about America clearly stated.. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
236. It's apparently "necessary" for some folks, or so I hear. |
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bling bling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
245. Misleading OP. Shame on you. |
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greiner3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
246. I have heard Abama speak several times; |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
247. Of course it necessary...how are we going to vote if we can't determine who loves Jesus more? |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
248. Republican Lite |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-05-07 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
249. It shouldn't be |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #249 |
261. Do you think it is possible to do do both? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
262. the religiously insane bible thumper voting bloc is in play |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
266. And many South Floridians wear too much cologne. |
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