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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 10:47 AM Original message |
WOW! TB GUY IS GIVING IT TO THE ADMINISTRATION! |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. and lawyers never lie to cover their asses |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Well this lawyers has a tape record message of CDC |
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jilln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. I'd like to know why that conversation was taped |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Perhaps b/c his father in law knows the inner workings? |
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jilln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Not sure what you mean by that |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. I think he may have felt it was prudent to cover his backside? |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Why should that matter? |
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jilln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
72. Because although he insisted he didn't know he was doing anything wrong |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #72 |
86. He might be taping the conversation because he thinks they might be doing something wrong. |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. Could be as simple as a message left on an answering machine |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
75. That's exactly what I was thinking. Do people not have voicemail around here? |
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jilln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. It was not voicemail!! Do a little research. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. I asked the question and no one answered, and I'm at work and don't have time |
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jilln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. "Do people not have voicemail around here"? |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. General snark vs. jumping down someone's throat. |
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jilln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Whatever. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. My thoughts exactly. |
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jilln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. In any case, it looks like you may have been more correct than I, even if by accident. |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
79. Because Andrew Speaker's dad is an attorney as well |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. You mean the CDC is inept? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Actually, no they don't not when they're under oath... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
38. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
2. With the politicization of science (incl. medicine), I would have to at least |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. My thought exactly. A push by * for new rule that HE can declare emergency and stop people |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
3. What formal proceeding is he "testifying" in???? I thought he was |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. He is, and that's the reason he's testifying by phone. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
91. I missed the "by phone" part, lol. |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
4. Hmmm... thought CSPAN 3 was going to be boring today |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
6. what i don't understand about him is that |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. He has a tape recorded message from CDC saying |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. and... |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
51. If you were given diagnosis of "possible TB" and the doctors said you could travel anyway ... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. the problem is, that he WAS told not to travel- by his |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. If all of that is true, then yes, he is an uberjerk. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
105. I'd record ANY conversation I had with any Administration |
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coznfx (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 04:22 AM Response to Reply #105 |
108. I second that ... |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
77. Was it an actual conversation or a recorded voicemail? |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Kinda makes me wonder what he was doing taping phone calls. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. me too- |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Do not know all the details but it could be as simple |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Habit. He's a lawyer. |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. That's not legal though. nt |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. That depends, he may have asked? |
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jilln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
83. Circumstances |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
94. Awe, poor CDC. |
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jilln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. "Poor CDC?" I was just answering your question about the circumstances. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. And I shared my opinion on the fact that he recorded his conversation. |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
88. No we don't, but I was responding to the post that said he probably recorded |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
58. In some states it's perfectly legal. |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #58 |
84. Wow. I didn't think it was legal anywhere unless all parties were aware of it. |
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coznfx (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 04:42 AM Response to Reply #84 |
109. In Oregon, at least, it's legal ... |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. Don't ask, don't tell. ;) |
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rexcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 08:21 AM Response to Reply #84 |
112. Legal in Ohio... |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Gee I wonder which party would be aware... :D very odd. nt |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. TB treatment takes months |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. would you not |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Depends on whether the TB was latent or active |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. My understanding is that he didn't know he had the dangerous strain |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
66. The first report I saw said that he didn't know he had the dangerous strain until he returned. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
107. He knew he had MDR-TB before he went to Europe. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. My sister is a head start teacher and contracted TB. She thinks from |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. well, he says |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
62. So when he gets expert medical advice he should just ignore it? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. that is exactly what he DID do- and |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. What are you talking about? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. did you read |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
67. self deleted |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
68. I would have worried FIRST about infecting my Bride! |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. read this account, and his responses to the questions- |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
12. This is mindblowing |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. MSM has stopped the spin... the commentary afterward seemed very sympathetic to TB Guy. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. They have no choice now |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
18. Has anyone from the CDC testified yet? |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. CSPAN 3 - Gerberding testifying now |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
19. Fuck him, I don't believe him. Just selfish, libertarian "fuck everyone else, I do what I want" BS |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I dunno. Do you really think he'd put his new bride at risk? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Don't think he thought about it. He was just gonna do what he wanted to do |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 08:12 AM Response to Reply #19 |
111. I agree. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
24. How did he get through White House security?!? |
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npincus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
25. going through life as "The TB Guy"... |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
29. Go, TB guy! |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Um. It's news because a drug-resistant form of TB which is also |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. There are hundreds of people with MDR in the U.S. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. First of all, we have no excuse for this failure. We're suppose to be |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Backlash, one third of the world has TB. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. The drug resistant kind of TB? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. did you read my posts? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. not of the XDR kind- it is the "new improved" version of MDR |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
71. And hundreds can become thousands, and thousands can become |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #53 |
103. From what I understand, |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
106. The third of world has latent TB. All it means they have |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Um... national security? If we can't keep one person with an untreatable |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
78. I don't really agree |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. What about the fact that someone from DHS said they had no plan in case |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
55. It is showing that those who think National Security works are wrong. |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
32. The gov had to SCARE us |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. How soon 'till the next one? Poll: |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. I'm wondering who was at that wedding? |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
50. Yep, we got this one, the Fort Dix fiasco and the JFK one almost all at once. nt |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
56. Are you saying the govt constructed a diversion that says how fucked up the govt is |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
57. Maybe its a trial run of a new technique. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
43. Very interesting story. |
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erpowers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
59. Multiple Doctors |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
64. Wonder if he's a republican? |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
65. More telling is the eerie similiarity to victims of Katrina. To wit, once |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. i can't say that i would have |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. With the CDC telling him not to travel but then saying their words |
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jilln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. He was supposed to turn himself into a hospital in Italy |
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KaptBunnyPants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
96. Wow, the posters on this thread remind me of the bush administration. |
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jilln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. That's not the point at all. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. and where are you getting the information you |
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KaptBunnyPants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #101 |
115. I was basing my opinion on the original post. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. from everything I have read |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
98. I can't believe this fuckhead is actually a HERO to so many here |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-06-07 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
104. TB guy actually left for Europe 2 days early. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
110. I managed to interpret that as saying that he was giving TB to the Administration! |
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