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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:25 AM Original message |
When life "begins" and how. |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
1. There is life in cancer cells. |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. In fact, a little too much. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
3. exactly so.... |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
20. When young men and women in their late teens through say early 40's die from |
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Richardo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
4. ?? |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. It is framed so poorly because that lie helps in a debate. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. It's convenient (for one side) when the question is framed in that ignorant way. (NT) |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. Exactly. Otherwise we are debating onions and bananas |
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Left Is Write (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
33. I don't even consider that to be the question. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
63. EXACTLY!!.. |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
5. Life begins when you start costing someone money... |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. LOL! |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. you are welcome |
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astonamous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Congratulations! |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
9. I thought life began at 30? |
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Kazak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. NOOOooo... |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
10. There's only one way to debate "the life" issue with a freeper |
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Yoda Yada (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
12. According to the Bible, HUMAN life begins with breath.... |
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Yoda Yada (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Sorry, that was from Genesis 2:7 nt |
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Mark D. (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Good Point! |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. so you're suggesting that a fetus in utero is not alive...? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. actually, the bible is suggesting it...well, stating it, actually... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. I don't know how to break this to you, but MOST living organisms... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
67. Deleted message |
dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-09-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
69. i don't know how to break this to you, but i specified HUMAN organisms. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-09-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #12 |
70. This is usually the tack that I take with the literalists... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
16. LIfe begins when the kids leave for college. (NT) |
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Bjornsdotter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #16 |
40. Yep |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
17. The question is when does an individual life begin. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
18. When life begins is not relevant to abortion rights. |
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Richardo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Of course it's relevant. It's fundamental (if you'll pardon the expression) |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. To the contrary: A woman has the right to abort a fetus whether it's a life or not. |
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Left Is Write (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. I agree. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
21. Really Really Narrow Minded Sentiment. When Life Begins Is Thoughtful Topic For Anyone, Not Just |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. so do you think there is "nothing wrong" with believing... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. And is the life that exists after conception not a different life? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. what is "a different life...?" |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. That's deliberately obtuse. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 09:32 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I don't think it's the least bit obtuse-- it's what I teach in my biology courses.... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. It means The Circle of Life is not an answer to the question of |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. No it's not. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. It does have a nice zen tone to it but the question is when an individual's life begins. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. When an individual's life begins is not relevant to abortion rights. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. It is relevant. The question is whose right predominates. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. I'm saying it doesn't matter if a fetus is an individual or not. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. But you are saying viability does matter. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Of course it does. If a fetus cvould be viably removed, abortion would |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Viability is a factual question based in biology. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Viability already limits terminations. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Do you support that limitation? |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. perhaps you just don't like to have this idea put into a context |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I like ideas in any context. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. To be honest, I don't know when life begins. That's why I'd never |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. so when do you propose that "an individual" was not alive? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 06:09 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. You did not exist prior to syngamy. Your constituent parts did but you did not. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. my independent existence is a matter of perception, really.... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
61. I'd go even further.... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. It's both. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #21 |
39. Then it's wrong to make laws based on certain individual interpretations and perceptions. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
55. That's Up To Interpretation And Perception. It's Not An Absolute. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
27. what is "life"? |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
50. I had once heard that "life" is only the journey to death... |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
30. I have been informed by some RW fundy's that are in the know... |
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MisterHowdy (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-07-07 09:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. lol |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
48. I figure that killing 'half souls' is a better deal than |
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Yoda Yada (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
53. The biblical quotes are about HUMAN life.... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. then that implies the human life differs from other life.... |
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Yoda Yada (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. I don't know the answer. I'm just saying that equating breath with.... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-08-07 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
64. Life begins January 21, 2009 |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-09-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. I can't wait, it seems we've been holding our breath for a very long time |
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