"Your time is coming up pretty soon,"

[MichaelHarris]

Yeah, I know dupe but with a twist. I know people like this, two of my best friends became them.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Ed+Brown+says+feds+have+no+jurisdiction+in+New+Hampshire&articleId=844a9c5f-5475-4d71-a149-102ea693ee4b

"What are they trying to do, start a war?" Ed Brown said of the police presence near his Plainfield home yesterday. "What do they think we have in here, tanks?"

It all started with his reading of "None Dare Call it Conspiracy", that's the first step. They go all John Birch after that. What old Mr. Brown and my long lost friends won't tell you is, "How, without taxes will you get roads? How will you fund education? How will we ever get some sort of fair health care? No, Mr. Brown has no answer for that, he's read the book.

Before some of you defend poor old Mr. Brown and the police thugs at his door put yourselves in their shoes. They've knocked on doors before only to be gunned down, it's crazy to think this anti-government nut isn't "locked and loaded". Think Waco, knock, knock. "Who's there?" "We have a warrant...bang, bang, bang. That's no way to answer a door.

Both of my friends, I haven't seen in years because they went a little crazy, had cases of bullets and food in their basement. They spouted the same crap, "Brown, who asserts that the federal government has no jurisdiction in New Hampshire and no authority to charge him under a non-existent law, said the activity surrounding his properties in Plainfield and West Lebanon yesterday was a "Zionist, Illuminati, Free Mason movement."

These people are to be feared, they will kill you, they will do crazy shit based on goofy-assed beliefs. ""Your time is coming up pretty soon," he said. "If you don't go along with the Free Masons, they'll attack you too." Brown, who says he now adheres only to the laws of the creator"

One of my friends, last I heard lives on a compound in Colorado. They drill, they train, and they shoot. I've been to their meetings, they are dangerous. No, don't praise Mr. Brown, he doesn't want to contribute to any kind of betterment for America. Sure he'll use the roads, the schools, and probably the welfare at some point, he just doesn't want to pay for it. He'll welcome his public defender that he won't have to pay for.

If you need to praise anyone, praise the men and women who have to knock at the door of these crazy-assed nut sacks knowing there is a gun behind the door. Remember those guys? Some of them lay bleeding and dying at the door in Waco.

Michael Harris

[lvx35]

1. "locked and loaded"

I have no sympathy for those involved in the Waco raid, except to acknowledge that the whole thing was a MASSIVE fuck up that got a lot of innocent kids killed.

The whole problem comes from worrying about people because they are "locked and loaded", not because they have actually commited a crime™. The people in Waco commited crimes, but nothing that warranted the kind of military force they met. I have a lot of sympathy for this section of the right wing: they hate authoritarian government. If their heads are out of their asses, this implies they also hate Bush's bullshit. And I do to.

I do have a HUGE respect for cops who go through extra risk everyday because of our 2nd ammendment. But as far as those who stand against government tyranny, there IS no right and left, only UNITY.

[MichaelHarris]

3. but Mr. Brown and his wife

are criminals:

"sentence for scheming to hide $1.9 million of income between 1996 and 2003."

"They were convicted in January and have been fugitives since they were sentenced to 5 1/2 years in prison each at an April hearing"

"The Browns' home has a watchtower, concrete walls and the ability to run on wind and solar power. Ed Brown, who has shown at least one gun to reporters in the past, has said he has stockpiled food and supplies and would resist arrest. He has repeatedly threatened violence against federal officials and said he would rather die than admit income taxes exist."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/07/AR2007060702330.html

So how do the police handle it, flowers?

[Downtown Hound]

4. If you want to unify yourself with a bunch of kooks that follow

a whack job religious freak that thinks he's Christ then that's your business. But if you decide to stockpile .50 caliber machine guns, hand grenades, and automatic assault rifles when you do so, don't expect much sympathy from me when the feds come and raid your house, in whatever military gear they deem necessary to protect themselves from the arsenal you've illegally built up.

These militias are filled with racists, bigots, religious whack jobs, and as the OP said, a bunch of lazy slobs that bitch about paying taxes but gladly use the services that those taxes help fund. Glorifying them because you don't like the current policies of the government is not the way to go.

[MichaelHarris]

6. Amen

Houndman. Rightly said.

[lvx35]

8. Wake up.

EVERYTHING that Bush has done has been a continuation of what first started at Waco. It used to be that the police were used for civilians, the military for foreign operations. But Waco changed all that, when military vehicles were brought in to deal with a police matter. Now we've got actual CIA type spying (the kind that was previously associated with foreign operations) happening in America, with people like you and me. Are you happy? Is this what you wanted? The suspension of Habeas Corpus? The treatment of the American populous as a an enemy in a military operation, complete with media PsyOps previously only associated with foreign propaganda efforts? Its all bullshit, it doesn't matter if it occurred under this president or the previous one!

[MichaelHarris]

10. This isn't

a Bush thing, this is a criminal thing. Would you say that SWAT storming a crack house was a Bush thing? No, you'd say it was a criminal thing, just like this. Sheesh.....

[lvx35]

12. Swat is cops, what happened at Waco was military, with military vehicles. nt

[Downtown Hound]

13. So what do you expect me to do?

Sell myself out to a bunch of freaks? That's your solution? Count me out.

[lvx35]

15. What I expect you to do is stand up for our Constitution

from threats foreign and domestic, even if it costs you your life. That's all.

I doesn't matter if the BS happens under a Clinton or a Bush. We have to stand up against it, that's all!

[MichaelHarris]

18. How long

would two sheriffs knocking on the door in Waco live? Do you honestly believe that the show of "force" caused that confrontation?

[lvx35]

27. yes.

we could have waited them out, but we opted to force the matter, and a lot of innocent kids died.

[MichaelHarris]

30. really?

you believe that? They wouldn't have fired on just two officers? They would have opened the door and said, "Come on in"?

Not one law enforcement officer killed a kid there. The guy who didn't open the door killed those kids.

[Downtown Hound]

22. There are many different ways of standing up

Throughout the history of our nation, the ones that have resorted to fanaticism and violence have often been the least effective in getting anything accomplished.

Name me one good thing any of these stupid militias have ever accomplished, except spreading fear, hate, and giving the government an excuse to become even more oppressive. All it takes is for one of these groups to do something really stupid, and poof, now you see the Bill of Rights, now you don't.

Or I'll do you one even better. Since you're so afraid of the federal government, what would happen if they decided they needed an excuse to take American's freedoms away, and staged a terrorist attack on American soil and blamed them. The militias would have made it very easy for them to do so, because their ideology is rooted in violence and paranoia. Now, if the government tried to do the same thing and blame say, Quakers, most people would probably laugh it off. Quakers have a long, proud history of standing up against oppression and injustice, but they do it without violence, and therefore, any government attempt to paint them as terrorists would look pretty silly.

And if I was to compare the Quakers to the militias in terms of who has been more effective at bringing about social change, I'd say the Quakers would win hands down.

[MichaelHarris]

24. in the end

Peace always wins.

[Downtown Hound]

34. PEACE KICKS ASS!

Sorry, couldn't resist it.

:D

[shance]

7. The truth is we can't believe anything coming from our profiteering networks.

We have been lied to about almost everything.

From JFK onward, and I would imagine before then as well.

We have been lied to by those that profit from citizens being divided and fractured and in a constant state of fear and the unknown, from creating chaos and violence and creating distractions that keep people isolated from knowing the hard truths (as well as the noble truths) of the abuse of power that is happening to us and occuring in our name(s).

[MichaelHarris]

9. do you

have schools in your town? Ask them if they are getting a paycheck. Are any roads being built where you live? Those things aren't lies, they are real. We pay for those things. We pay for some crap also but I'll gladly pay knowing a teacher gets a check, the elderly get some sort of care, or a child gets fed.

There is no lie here, this couple hid money in order to avoid taxes, that's a crime not a lie. They were convicted, no lie there. Where is the lie?

[lvx35]

14. All those things are permitted by our constitution.

Military and spy operations against American civilians ARE NOT.

[MichaelHarris]

25. so is

due process, which this man and his wife don't seem to recognize.

[lvx35]

11. Hope. Beautiful.

Thank you for opening you mouth right now and saying that. Somebody you don't even know just felt a lot less alone at an important time. I hope you will NOT keep quiet in the future, it means EVERYTHING!!!

[MichaelHarris]

17. I usually do

speak out, most of it gets deleted here but I don't care. I have to say though I am a little lost by your response.

[undergroundpanther]

16. Sometimes

Events in your life make you unable to trust the government and state.
I myself don't trust the state.I also think something is very wrong with the way the world is,I am paranoid sometimes,because of what I have been through(military lab rat kid)and I am pretty sure most"leaders" of states and corporations(the big ones especially) are probably textbook psychopaths.I don't think the state serves the people really.There is alot of corruption and down right evil in power.The military is deeply fucked up from the top down,rotten to the core.Basically I cannot trust and can't stand authoritarians.And if behind the curtains so to speak it is illuminati, aliens, demons or the Archons causing it, it does not matter to me really anymore it's vile no matter what it is and I hate it. If I saw a government official morph into a lizard I don't think I'd be all that surprised.The shit I have been through is weird too and I guess I am used to high weirdness,Doesn't freak me out anymore the world is crazy and so am I ..So what's new?

Knowing that the government does not serve people like me really I am not all that much of a fan..I'm invisible to them I can't give them money, I don't KNOW shit and the stuff I do know and remember people would call me nuts If I told them anyway so why bother sharing it?..Knowing corporations don't give a flying fuck about anything but profits,and knowing we are screwed has been a realization I have held for many,many,years..

What makes me different than the guy freaking in his bunker with guns?

First I can't shoot worth a shit. And..I cannot have a gun I'm a "certified" crazy...
And third I know full well a piddle ass rifle or tons of guns will not be enough firepower to stop the state if it wants to take me out. I mean not hard to find a freaky dresser like me,I think I am the only person in this town wearing an obnoxious Mohawk and a cat tail..
So why have a bunch of guns? They could find me easy if they desired to bother to find me.Wherever I may build a bunker,weapons or no weapons they will find me..
I know damn well things are seriously messed up beyond belief there are some evil pieces of shit with too much money and power,and there are conspiracies. But all of them out of my power to change or even expose... I can disapprove of it all day,online or wherever else .. but could I ever be a "threat" ? I don't think so, they got me out gunned, out technologized,out numbered, way more cash,way more people obeying them and power over this country than I will ever see come my way....

I never asked to be born.The world is screwed.Food supply contaminated.Against the state,corporation,blackwater, or local cops I am hopelessly outgunned. and yeah I mistrust authority and hate it with my whole heart..but bunkering ain't gonna help. Neither is becoming paranoid over everything I ingest or breathe.I am at "peace" with my own mortality. I feel like this world holds nothing for me really.I really won't ever be a millionaire, I don't know what to do with my life.I really don't desire all that much either. I will live until I die basically take it day by day.Everyday at some point I fight suicide urges.
Than they go away.

So if the shit hit the fan, I'd get sprayed like everyone else.
And being in a militia won't tell me when to duck any more than anyone else.Either way whatever happens I will not submit to some authority figure I will spit in their faces regardless whether they leave me alone, lock me up,torture me,been there done that, it is not scary and it's an empty threat if they want to kill me, they can.But I can die with my middle finger in their face.. And I don't need a gun to do that.All I need is to hold onto my own inner locus of control no matter what,and they will lose. Controlling my inner locus of control is ultimately the one thing every kind of authority wants but no authority figure will never own that inside me.I refuse to be'tamed'.And that makes me more powerful than ALL of them.
It's the end of the world as we know it....and I feel fine...

[lvx35]

20. You are so...fucking...beautiful...

I have to go outside the club and smoke and think before I can respond to you....brb!

[undergroundpanther]

23. Never thought of myself as beautiful..

Maybe a beautiful pain in the ass? (only if you are an authoritarian or some flavor of a bully)? LOL.
Waving a black flag for ya!

[lvx35]

26. Sorry, that post got me at some deep place.

I'm sitting in a club with wifi with music blasting, drinking. You can call me crazy, but that post was incredibly important to me. It made me feel not alone. But that wasn't it.

This is a tough response to write because its just some random stranger out there who could be anybody whatsoever who is trying to speak directly to your soul. But to hell with it, I will try. If it falls on deaf ears than it does.

YOU ARE NOT POWERLESS. You are blessed that you can't have guns because they are useless. But you have a power much greater than guns.

We will not win in Iraq because people are willing to blow themselves up to stop us. The bombs connected to their body are nothing compared to what we can drop from the sky, but the FACT they are willing to give their lives for something bigger than ultimately spells defeat for us, no matter what, because WE ARE NOT. I don't have a language to describe this but in spiritual terms: They will win the spiritual war, and therefore they will win the greater war. We will be forced to withdraw in defeat, sooner or later.

I want you to understand that the same power is in your hands. I'm not talking about blowing yourself up, I'm talking about spirit. When you don't care if you live or die, when you are willing to give your life for something greater than you, you are EXTREMELY POWERFUL. It can come from your every action in the world: Courage, truth speaking...the kind that made me feel 1000 times more bold because you said what you just did.

When we are willing to awake to the truth, we begin to see that our EVERY action has an impact on the people around us, and we realize the position of terrible power we are in just by being.

Lesbians are dancing by me now, and i want to cry because I fear you will not hear what I am saying, that love is SOOOO important!!! But here it is. This post. Somebody tried. A spark in the dark. And maybe if we all try, there will be a fire, someday, one that will be bright enough and hot enough to consume us all.

Some day.

Peace undergroundpanther.

[undergroundpanther]

35. Spark to Spark,

>I'm talking about spirit. When you don't care if you live or die,
>when you are willing to give your life for something greater than
>you, you are EXTREMELY POWERFUL.

You GOT it!!! :toast:

>It can come from your every action in the world: Courage, truth >speaking...the kind that made me feel 1000 times more bold because
>you said what you just did.

Thanks for what YOU said!! It is what YOU said ,this is why I never get around to killing myself.Feel like it ,vent it,say it,but I do not do it. I know it's the brain scars from trauma causing those feelings in me.I am always a king of myself(s)and to kill my own kingdom because I am listening to a bunch of fucking trauma scars that are in this body's brain would be spiritual betrayal of my source.A betrayal of the sacred in me.I won't GO there.But I might vent it.Out of frustration.

However I have a contingency plan,If I end up in some detention center, or I get terminally sick and I feel like my time here is over and I am too damaged to tolerate going on..anyway,I will do it. But only if my inner locus agrees and it is my spirit's true desire, I'll kill myself after deep consideration of my situation and If I go I'll go with my middle fingers waving bye,bye..laughing at the Archons, Laughing at his whole fucked up creation and I'll defy it's pathetic ruler and shells.

Think about it.. your body is only a rental car, when it wears out,or gets broken beyond your skills or anyones skills to fix it,Just step out of the seat,and let it crash itself into a wall. But you, the driver,who is standing on the sidewalk watching the car smash itself,.Driver spark escapes,imagining the look on the Archons face,laughing your ass off(if spirit sparks even HAVE an ass to laugh off) YOU are eternal.

Janis Joplin sung it best..Freedom's Just another word for nothing left to lose.

>When we are willing to awake to the truth, we begin to see that
>our EVERY action has an impact on the people around us, and we
>realize the position of terrible power we are in just by being.

Exactly.
But alot of people have thier power diminished or misdirected by powers that want to diminish your sight,limit your being,and dim your spark through using the suffering and vulnerability in this broken existence. And when you give up that inner locus of control, through peer pressure, threat,torture,beliefs ,fear or whatever else the powers try to throw at you,you at that moment are defeated, darkened.

The spark from the wisdom desired for is eaten away by the powers that control this world,(spiritual devouring by archons)and after authority has used you up all is left is a shell of a person.A cracked shell leaking screaming pain wandering the streets committing slow suicide in a bottle, or playing games,and playing pretend,or trying desperately to feel in control.(this is why war and school and other institutional systems of domination are so evil on a spiritual level).And as soon as you surrender your inner crown your power and give away the scepter of self control and self responsibility , your kingdom is than invaded and subjected to an authority's command.If you do not resist and continue to obey soon after the initial breach the authority manipulates and commands and over time rewrites who you are to suit someone else's agenda and the reprogramming of your psyche begins until you become someone else.

>Lesbians are dancing by me now, and i want to cry because I fear
>you will not hear what I am saying, that love is SOOOO
>important!!!

****************************************************************
Ooh I hear ya. Don't cry,I would dance with you if I was there you know.Wipe those tears off your face,and purr a heart song in your ear so you could hear it over the music..and hold you until my panther fire stalked and wiped that sad feeling out of you.
This whole world is suffering,so it needs to die.Why are people insisting on doing the things they KNOW will destroy the planet knowing full well what it leads to? Because deep down we all suffer it's the human condition,every spirit suffers here because to the sparks,this world is not home it is prison..

Right now a spiritual separation is happening and that means materiality will be forced to let go of the bound hearts and spirits and stop controlling them.But true to it's sick heart the creator of this prison will try harder to control and it will work evil through the "leaders" and authorities. Right now,the astral layers are collapsing into the material realms,and the sparks of love are being taken out,no more reincarnation for true beings,we are being rescued by the source herself. We too will be going back to love itself,And as the sparks go free the material cage will crumble and the Archon will die..Materiality itself will cease. And this is a GOOD thing, even though it might be painful process, it is liberation.


Death is the great liberator. For there is another place,where WE belong..The place we feel in our deepest secret heart made of pure Love and being, that is what will remain.Billions of king-less, kings and kingdoms all sacred equal in total freedom,dignity, harmony, eternal and motionless, pure beauty and wholeness... Home. I call it Mother/Father Sekhmet Maat Sophia, The source.
**************************************************************
>But here it is. This post. Somebody tried. A spark in the dark.

Cat shaped spark in the dark..*smirk*

>And maybe if we all try, there will be a fire, someday,
>one that will be bright enough and hot enough to consume us all.

That's the Idea.

Hail Sekhmet Maat Sophia..Home!

And hugs and purrrs to you.See ya when we get Home!Spirit brother.

[lvx35]

36. happy sigh.

On the bus home I meditated on my post to you. The universe said to me "you didn't tell him anything he didn't already know" which kind of surprised me, because I though it was extreme. I puzzled over this, but now, reading you post, I realize I REALLY didn't tell you anything you didn't already know. And it knocks me on my ass. Sophia, the Lion, the Source. These things are as familiar as my morning dreams. And in the face of all the tyranny and evil in the world, these words form in my mind: this is really fucking happening. We are here and this is all real and this love thing is what we have to do. This path that has been laid before us that seems to crazy like dream, but what we really have to do is follow it, no matter what. And its so critical to hear somebody else acknowledge it, because I can use that to tell that's its not just in my head.

Hugs and purrs to you too, my friend. But something still tells me we have miles to go before we sleep...

[MichaelHarris]

21. ugp, no offense

but there's a whole other thing going on with you. I really do hope you have and/or get all the support you need. Living in fear is a horrible thing. Floating through life looking over your shoulder is not fun.

The only thing I can offer is there really is a beautiful world out there, maybe an old camera, some film and a stroll would really help you. I know a lot of people who find peace behind a lens.


Michael Harris

[undergroundpanther]

28. I'm not scared

I am disenchanted.With this world. I have given up trying to change it in any really deep way that would alter the consciousness of culture. I say what I say , people hear it or not, and I do what I do at the time I do it and let it go. I love my cats help people out around me, take it day by day fully aware it could be all gone tomorrow.Because that's how this reality is..I get suicidal because I have complex pstd.and I have scars on my brain from it.. The nastiest kind of pstd the kind that was bad enough to disfigure my brain..and it sucks.But I cope, what else can I do?

I eat what I eat..and whatever. Death will come for me and everything else whenever, regardless.. and for me I do not feel the need to run away from anything anymore I stopped running in my first year of high school..I am aware of the way things are but not afraid of what I am aware of anymore.I do not fear because I do not desire to control things outside of myself anymore.Ain't worth the stress playing that game.I do control myself the best I can.I am a king and myself is my kingdom.

I do not trust authoritarians period.I have my reasons.I don't trust cops or "mental health professionals"(for the most part) or "leaders"at all. These kinds of authorities have given me ample evidence in my life to not put any of my trust in them or give them power.Besides I hate what they stand for. That does not mean I fear them.It means I see them as an enemy but ultimately a powerless enemy.They cannot take what they really want inside me unless I give it to them.And I have already made up my mind I won't give up my inner locus of control. They can only DO so much to a body,I can leave my body,I can trance until I feel nothing.I I was hit by a car,and I was able to by trance numb two dislocated legs a hip an ankle and a fractured neck.Torture is no threat to me,I just let my consciousness leave the body..Apathy to control my environment at the level I have about this world and my life in it (take it or leave it) actually makes one immune to torture apparently.(read it in a CIA book and had a big laugh)..I have no love of this life or this world anymore.It's a vast prison.It's governments are run by psychopaths and the masses are scared sheep stampeding on cue..BFD. it's always been that way since hierarchical civilizations have been around..Giving up the world, and disenchanted..what could they bribe or threaten me with really?
If I had a million dollars I don't even know what the hell I would DO with it.

[Erika]

2. Yeah the Wako conservative fundamentalist nuts

showed the way, didn't he. How many girls did he sexually assault and impregnate in the name of God? I guess he was a Christofascist terrorist.

[MichaelHarris]

5. Erika know whats weird?

there's some right here on DU that defend that idiot. They talk about all the kids that died and stuff. Not one police officer killed a kid at Waco. The guy that didn't answer the door killed those kids.

[MichaelHarris]

19. Here they come

Erika, it's going to be a long night.

[smtpgirl]

29. ~~~Locked & loaded

A year ago this would have been in the locked bin, I have posted this under Bilderburg & Tri-Lateral Commission

Good post

[MichaelHarris]

31. thanks

smtpgirl, they've been locking and deleting a lot of my posts lately.

[smtpgirl]

33. I do totally understand how you feel

Just don't say ~~~~ you know, and you'll be ok.

I am not a believer of guns & violence but I can't sympathize people on the fringes. Thre are so many that are in the no where land of their invention, I just leave them be and move on.

My life is so much easier since I have had the ability to ascertain the bullshit from the realshit.

This world is a world of fuck-ups, you just need to find the difference from a fuck-up and a true person.

It takes time, maybe living like a hermit for a while.

[Jed Dilligan]

32. I'll praise neither, thank you very much.

One doesn't have to be on one side or the other of every situation.