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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:24 AM
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My Comments After Reading Al Gore's The Assault On Reason
The agora was the public space and a very integral part of the ancient Greek city-state. An agora acted as a marketplace and a forum for the citizens of the city-state in exchanging ideas. Its meaning was also that of an assembly and a crossroads of many concepts which could either be taken metaphorically or physically. It was the core of reasoned debate and the airing of concerns of the citizens. It was as was the Roman Senate a non stop debate with exchanges of ideas pro and con and both forms of open forums were the basis for our own Senate (which literally means council of elders) which still practices the quorum and filibuster.

However, there is something missing from our Senate (and Congress as a whole) of today in the United States, and in our public dialogue and it in many ways no longer follows the spirit of the forums it is based on in practice, even though in theory it is still modelled after those classic examples of Democratic Republics.

That is the very essence of Al Gore’s book, The Assault on Reason. In it he seeks to connect the dots regarding the disconnect between our way of governing and those it is supposed to govern, and researches why we as a people have allowed that disconnect to take place. What has happened to the concern Americans should have for such matters of state that effect our lives? How and why do we allow fear to override our reason? Why do we consistently vote against our own better interests? How has civics and caring for good governance been replaced by matters trivial in comparison to those that will shape our very future? What has happened to our agora?

The reasons for this disconnect are stated plainly and truthfully in this no punches pulled critique of our political system by Mr. Gore with the quoting of these words: “Fear is the enemy of reason.” And in the case of the Bush administration, it has been fear based on deliberate lies and misinformation spun and packaged for them by a complicit corporate media to take advantage of those who are unknowing of that truth and unwilling for whatever reason to seek it, in order to selfishly gain from that fear. It is to me truly a wicked deception that has unravelled the very fabric of this Democratic Republic.

However, as Mr. Gore also states in this book, it is not just the Bush administration that has brought this about. They are merely the continuation of a trend that began years ago and has only been allowed to become exceedingly worse as the distractions and fears pumped up by those on all sides who seek to gain from them have taken more as they have been given more. We are all responsible regardless of political stripe for the current state we find our country in. The old saying if you give them an inch they will take a yard is very appropriate here. By allowing them to steal an election, they feel undaunted in taking even more, and when that is given such as in the case of Habeus Corpus or other rights, why should they not feel empowered to take it even further if they believe we will not stop them or hold those representing us accountable for not stopping them?

This is now the crisis of Democracy we find ourselves in right now. Their taking that yard over and over again as we the people continue to sit and question why and how, when the answer is us and the abrogation of our role in stopping those forces seeking to distract us in order to regain the reason of years past that guided our decisions for the betterment of all people, not just certain groups bent on profiting from it based on their ideological or religious beliefs that take precedence over such reason. That is basically what I got from his book, and that we must now begin to see our part in the unravelling of this fabric and begin the process of making it whole again, or we will lose it.

There is the dilemma however, as Mr. Gore delves very deeply into the history of media from the invention of the printing press by Johannes Guttenberg, The Reformation, the Age of Enlightenment and Reason, the invention of radio, television, all the way up to the Internet, and interweaves these mediums with the psychological influences they had and have on the human mind and the responses they seek to program. With the onset of the printing press came a new freedom with many new ideas being brought forth that at that time were also stifled by the Church and other interests that felt threatened by this new found freedom of people who until that time could be kept in tow because of their ignorance.

And surely in all times throughout history when reason has moved to become prevalent, powerful interests have used their influence to try to squash those seeking knowledge. However, again, the spirit and passion of the soul and the courage to do the right thing taking precedence over the fear is what guided our stars to seeing this country survive for the last 231 years. Throughout history open marketplaces for exchanging such ideas became common, and books, pamphlets, and other ways of expression were the catalysts for movements that led to revolution (Thomas Paine's Common Sense,) including our own because people did not have the distractions of today to minimize its importance. And that is why the Internet is now so important in continuing that tradition.

We have now allowed that courage to be diminished and it is setting a dangerous precedent that threatens to leave our children with little more than a shell of what we started with, and as Mr. Gore states at the ending of this wonderful and prescient book: “Will we continue to live as a people under the rule of law as embodied in our Constitution? Or will we fail future generations by leaving them a Constitution far diminished from the charter of liberty we have inherited from our forebears? Our choice is clear.”

And that choice is now becoming a part of the process we seek to change instead of being bystanders on the sidelines. It's now the only way to save this Democracy and in turn save this planet from the ravages of the climate crisis that has met the same fate at the hands of people who possess neither reason nor the moral strength to do the right thing. We must find out agora again, and speak loudly in it.

And the choice of our media now is of course, not to take this warning to heart and see the truth and seek to remedy it for the good of our country, but to respond as interests have done for centuries by striking out at the messenger. All one can say to that is, as fear is the enemy of reason, so is truth the enemy of totalitarianism. And there is plenty of that - truth, in this book by Al Gore. I once stated that Earth In The Balance was Mr. Gore’s soul on paper. This book is then his heart, and it would serve this country well to read it, listen to its message regardless of politics, and to yes, take that reflective look in the mirror as we see our part in holding accountable those who would dare to abdicate reason for profit. It cannot stand and it must not stand.

Thank you, Mr. Gore for being the true voice of conscience in this country. For your work on the climate crisis especially as it is at the core of all that affects our lives, your statesmanship, your guidance, and your unwavering leadership. May we be so fortunate to continue to be the benefactors of it in whatever capacity you choose for many years to come. And may we get beyond the sound bites to finding the strength to take your lead in once again becoming citizens active in restoring the reason that has been so mercilessly assaulted while we looked the other way.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:45 AM
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1. I'm partway through.
It's exhilarating, scary, and full of excellent analysis. I'm learning a lot.

He's really, really angry. Like the rest of us.

Damn, I love this guy.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:47 AM
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3.  it is now what we do with that anger that will either make us or break us
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:46 AM
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2. Thomas jJefferson On Reason
My hope that we have not labored in vain, and that our experiment will still prove that men can be governed by reason." --Thomas Jefferson to George Mason, 1791. ME 8:124
"I have so much confidence in the good sense of man, and his qualifications for self-government, that I am never afraid of the issue where reason is left free to exert her force." --Thomas Jefferson to Comte Diodati, 1789. Papers 15:326

"Let common sense and common honesty have fair play, and they will soon set things to rights." --Thomas Jefferson to Ezra Stiles, 1786. ME 6:25

"It is comfortable to see the standard of reason at length erected, after so many ages, during which the human mind has been held in vassalage by kings, priests, and nobles; and it is honorable for us to have produced the first legislature who had the courage to declare that the reason of man may be trusted with the formation of his own opinions." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1786. ME 6:10

" principles founded on the immovable basis of equal right and reason." --Thomas Jefferson to James Sullivan, 1797. ME 9:379

"A government of reason is better than one of force." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Rush, 1820. ME 15:284

"The idea of establishing a government by reasoning and agreement, publicly ridiculed as an Utopian project, visionary and unexampled." --Thomas Jefferson: The Anas, 1797. ME 1:419

"Our people in a body are wise because they are under the unrestrained and unperverted operation of their own understandings." --Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Priestley, 1802. ME 10:324

"This blessed country of free inquiry and belief has surrendered its creed and conscience to neither kings nor priests." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Waterhouse, 1822. ME 15:385

"No experiment can be more interesting than that we are now trying, and which we trust will end in establishing the fact, that man may be governed by reason and truth." --Thomas Jefferson to John Tyler, 1804. ME 11:33

"Truth and reason are eternal. They have prevailed. And they will eternally prevail; however, in times and places they may be overborne for a while by violence, military, civil, or ecclesiastical." --Thomas Jefferson to Rev. Samuel Knox, 1810. ME 12:360

"Truth will do well enough if left to shift for herself. She seldom has received much aid from the power of great men to whom she is rarely known and seldom welcome. She has no need of force to procure entrance into the minds of men." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Religion, 1776. Papers 1:547

"A patient pursuit of facts, and cautious combination and comparison of them, is the drudgery to which man is subjected by his Maker, if he wishes to attain sure knowledge." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.VI, 1782. ME 2 7

"Shake off all the fears and servile prejudices under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1787. ME 6:258 Papers 12:15

"I was bold in the pursuit of knowledge, never fearing to follow truth and reason to whatever results they led, and bearding every authority which stood in their way." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814. ME 14:85

"It is surely time for men to think for themselves, and to throw off the authority of names so artificially magnified." --Thomas Jefferson to William Short, 1820. ME 15:258

"Lay aside all prejudice on both sides, and neither believe nor reject anything because any other persons, or description of persons, have rejected or believed it. Your own reason is the only oracle given you by heaven, and you are answerable, not for the rightness, but uprightness of the decision." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1787. ME 6:261

"In a republican nation whose citizens are to be led by reason and persuasion and not by force, the art of reasoning becomes of first importance." --Thomas Jefferson to David Harding, 1824. ME 16:30

"Nothing is so desirable to me as that after mankind shall have been abused by such gross falsehoods as to events while passing, their minds should at length be set to rights by genuine truth. And I can conscientiously declare that as to myself, I wish that not only no act but no thought of mine should be unknown." --Thomas Jefferson to James Main, 1808. ME 12:175

"There is not a truth on earth which I fear or would disguise. But secret slanders cannot be disarmed, because they are secret." --Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 1806. ME 11 4

"Unlearned views... are, perhaps, the more confident in proportion as they are less enlightened." --Thomas Jefferson to Caspar Wistar, 1807. ME 11:243

"I think it is Montaigne who has said, that ignorance is the softest pillow on which a man can rest his head." --Thomas Jefferson to Edmund Randolph, 1794. ME 9:280

"Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck." --Thomas Jefferson to James Smith, 1822. ME 15:409

"It was more in our spirit to let things come to rights by the plain dictates of common sense than by the practice of any artifices." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1800. ME 19:120
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:51 AM
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4. There's one problem with 'connecting the dots'...
Edited on Fri Jun-08-07 11:51 AM by HypnoToad
The picture made is still inference, not a true fact.

The dots themselves may be false images, therefore the big picture conjectured from connecting said dots may be equally as false.

I'm not discounting Mr Gore's statements. I am saying there is more than one perspective. I could make a dot or two of my own and say he's allowed to say his piece. Surely a fascist environment would prohibit him (or anybody) stating even one syllable? Never mind for purchase by the public? (and why not for free, if ideas are supposed to be shared? We do so here all the time. And on other forums too.)
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:59 AM
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5. Good. So what's your perspective?
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:11 PM
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6. If it isn't on video it will not be acknowledged.
Americans, especially those under twenty five, do not read any more. They receive all knowledge from TV or Movies. I realize there is that one in a thousand that does indeed read but the very great majority just do not, period. Sad but true. One major reason "An Inconvenient Truth" has done so well. It was not at the book store that it got the attention it did.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:20 PM
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7. Well, you do make a goo dpoint
Perhaps he should do a slideshow about this too. Our schools could sure use one. And I agree that unfortunately, many people do not read anymore. Hopefully those who watched the shows he was on talking about it will at least buy it and read it if they aren't too obsessed with the TV. And you're corect, had An Inconvenient Truth just been a book it probably would not have made the millions it did because of the movie.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 05:16 PM
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15. I believe the Internet will change this trend,
I just hope and pray it comes quick enough to save our Democratic Republic and the rest of the planet as well.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 09:13 PM
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23. IMO the blogoshere is going to kill the MSM and bring back the 2-way dialogue...
Edited on Fri Jun-08-07 09:14 PM by Odin2005
...Gore talked about in the book that TV and Radio destroyed. And us Gen-Yers are going to be the ones leading this media revolution.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 08:03 AM
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26. yes, it has begun with sites like Current TV and others
And it is wonderful to see the response to it, and I agree, your generation will hopefully lead the way to inspiring us back to that dialogue. The Internet surely is the key, and a bastion of freedom wwe must protect.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 09:09 PM
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22. Huh? I remember reading an article a couple years ago saying reading among youth was increasing?
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 07:59 AM
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25. I wiill look that up
It would be wonderful if true.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:17 PM
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8. Faith and Reason
In my own thinking about reasoned debate and its place in a representative democracy, I got to thinking of what has truly been one of the greatest forces along with fear that have diminished the use of reasoned debate in our civil and political discourse: religious fervor taking the place of reason. So here are some thoughts that some may wish to add to.

In assessing the unnatural decisions of the Bush administration and the effects they have had upon our natural world, one cannot but see the ties to religious ideology that have guided them. Indeed, not only do they hold an unnatural obsession with their religious ideology, but an attitude that it trumps all else including morality and reason, and that any decisions made by them were and are in fact actually ordained by God regardless of the consequences that actually go against the commandments they claim to follow.

Which leads those of real faith to conclude that theirs is not a fervor based on religious belief, but a belief that is based on selfish gratification that uses Christianity as a shield which in their minds protects them from responsibility for their decisions based not on any sort of real faith. There is no denying that Christian Fundamentalist fervor has also guided Bush and his henchmen in their decisions, which brings to mind the questions: can faith and reason co exist? Can you be a person of faith and still make decisions based on reason without the emotionalism of religious fervor clouding unbiased reasoned debate thus leading us to moral catastrophe?

Our Founding Fathers were men who held very strong beliefs in their faith and in a supreme being from whom all good things flowed. They believed that this force aided them in their decision making because it was pure. However, they never used their faith to go beyond the bounds of reason. They did not allow the emotionalism that comes with religious fervor to cloud their judgements and the rational process they used in forging a nation based on religious freedom. They were the perfect example of how faith and reason can co-exist in a society.

So what does it mean to us to know that today so much of what has taken place in our world has been due to the religious fervor and emotionalism which has overridden reason and logical rational thinking based on fact? This I believe was one of the chief reasons why our Founding Fathers were adamant about separating church and state, because decisions made by ideologues that effect a nation as a whole cannot be based solely on religious fervor, for they often lead to war, debt, destruction, and the degradation of the very Earth they claim God made. The challenge for us in this modern age then is, how do we get that balance back?

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:28 PM
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9. K&R. (nt)
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 01:58 PM
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10. I hesitate to admit I am reading it "on iPod."
But I'd sure settle for a hundred million people listening to it if they don't feel inclined to read. I've got four books going on right now and couldn't add another to the pile. But I sure can listen to it while I'm doing my housework and driving in the car. I'm about 2/3 of the way through. It's beyond brilliant. Thank you for your comments.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:21 PM
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12. Is it in Al Gore's voice?
If so, I wouldn't mind listening to it myself. And yes, beyond brilliant. Let us hope it moves people away from the stories that mean nothing into the action that means everything, and thanks.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:43 PM
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13. Alas no, but Will Patton doesn't do a bad job.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 05:05 PM
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14. I may check that out. Thanks.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:18 PM
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11. Oh well, forget about discussing reason... Paris is on.
How ironic.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 05:18 PM
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16. Thank you for your analysis of The Assault on Reason RestoreGore,
most excellent.

Kicked and recommended
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 05:45 PM
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17. Thank you
Great men like him do not come along very often and he is an inspiration. I do predict the tide will turn in this country and hopefully the people will become more vocal and more involved in change as the crimes of this regime and the underlying symptoms that fed them are finally dealt with. At least, that is my wish and my hope.
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 06:02 PM
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18. That's an excellent summary, RG
I just finished it last night. Al Gore has written one of the most important books of the last ten years, right up there with Kevin Phillips' American Dynasty and American Theocracy.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 07:32 PM
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21. American Theocracy...
The next book on my list. And thank you.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 06:29 PM
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19. you make it sound partisan
and the reverence for Gore that you show seems overdone. Is he "THE true voice of conscience"? It's not like he's Michael Harrington or EF Schumacher or Paul Krugman. :P

Also, if 'fear is the enemy of reason' what does that say to fear of global warming? Or fear of Christofascists?

Are those more reasonable than fear of Islamofascists? What about fear of economic collapse? Fear of war with Iran? Fear of a 3rd term for Bush?
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 07:20 PM
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20. Overdone? No, just honest
And yes, I think he is the conscience of our country, and not being in politics now he is able to speak his conscience. And decisions on everything you mentioned above require reasoned thought... you won't have that with fear. The point to me is that to fear is to allow yourself to be manipulated by unreasonable people bent on shaping events to favor their ideologies which then stifles not only the freedom of thought, but the will to seek the truth.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 10:01 PM
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24. "Earth In The Balance was Mr. Gore’s soul on paper...
...This book is then his heart, and it would serve this country well to read it, listen to its message regardless of politics..."


Your words are BEAUTIFUL. And they are so true. Every American should read this book.:patriot:
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 08:03 AM
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27. Absolutely, and thank you so much for your comment
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 08:53 AM
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28. K&R nt
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