One of the most sickening, disgusting, infuriating, barbaric, depressing videos I've ever witnessed

[RagingInMiami]

Perhaps DU is not the place to post a video of an Iraqi teenage girl getting stoned to death because she fell in love with a boy from the wrong religious sect. Or perhaps it has already been posted without me being aware of it.

But I believe acts like this need to be shown to the world to let people see how certain barbaric acts still exist in this world. Perhaps these savages who killed this girl might have a mindset stuck in some previous century. But they are modern enough to own cell phones with cameras because several can be seen filming the incident.

But several can also be heard chanting "Allah" as the girl is stoned to death.

http://ballyblog.wordpress.com/2007/05/04/warning-uncensored-video-iraqis-stone-girl-to-death-over-loving-wrong-boy/

[EFerrari]

1. I don't think I can watch this but your point is well taken.

Oh god.

[Madspirit]

2. k&r

I actually posted about this but it was a while back. I am glad to have it posted again. It is important...
Lee

[Mz Pip]

3. Somehow

I don't think these people are quite ready for democracy. Just a hunch.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[ShortnFiery]

8. Who are "these people"?... you are talking about religious factions NOT Iraqi people in general. n/t

[Paranoid Pessimist]

38. True, and our "Christian" zealots would do the same if they . . .

could get away with it. There may be no atheists in foxholes, but there are darn few conducting inquisitions.

[NMMNG]

4. I feel sick

:cry:

[MistressOverdone]

5. I get the idea

thanks for the reminder that the world is full of dangerous people.

[ShortnFiery]

6. No, I think the rape and murder of a 14 y.o. Iraqi girl and family by OUR troops is more DISGUSTING

only because it was "OUR troops."

And for that, I'm ashamed and embarrassed.

They did NOT represent the true spirit of America, but they were STILL American Soldiers. I wish we had better screeners before they let such low-lives into military service.

I can't be responsible for other religions, but I DO FEEL responsible when someone from OUR COUNTRY goes-off and kills innocents.

[RagingInMiami]

10. I am not trying to justify that one is better than the other

They are both disgusting acts. But when a group of people do this to someone from their own village, their own family, it boggles the mind.

The rape and murder of a 14-year-old girl is a criminal act, pure and simple. And it happens all to often. Only many times it is American civilians raping and killing American girls on American soil.

[1932]

14. No. But there's an undercurrent: these barbarians could use some wesern civilization

and I think that a west that drops bombs on innocent, defenseless countries should refelct a little bit before calling another culture barabaric.

[RagingInMiami]

15. I called the men in this video barbaric

I called them savages.

I am very careful about using blanket statements that refer to an entire culture.

[1932]

20. What do you think of men who pull the trigger on a predator drone from 3,000 miles away

to kill someone they think is guilty of something that they don't even bother to try to confirm before pulling that trigger?

That's pretty savage too. I don't know what lessons we think we can teach anyone about barbarism.

I agree with you that this is a terrible thing. Things like it happen all over the world. From gay bashing in Wyoming (as the poster noted above) to female genital mutilation in Africa.

But there's something very politically loaded about picking out Iraqis for the old "uncivilized" cliche at a time when they're on the receiving end of some of the most extreme barbarism this world has ever seen.

[RagingInMiami]

22. If you have any read any of my posts -- or letters to the editor - about the war in Iraq

you would know very well what I think of those men you mentioned.

This thread was not an attempt to prove American superiority. Nor was it an attempt to justify our presence in Iraq.

It was an attempt to let people know that acts like this are not just stories from the Old Testament.

[Karenina]

29. One of the most sickening, disgusting, infuriating, barbaric, depressing videos

I'VE ever witnessed was "Shock and Awe" way back in March '03 that UNLEASHED all this madness. Acts "like this" by WHOM again??? :shrug:

[RagingInMiami]

30. OK, you win

I will see if I can get this thread pulled and replaced by one that shows the barbarity of our current regime.

After all, no barbaric acts can be discussed on DU unless they are committed by BushCo.

In fact, no barbaric act committed anywhere in the world is as bad as the ones committed by our own government.

[Karenina]

43. So many barbaric acts all around...

The video you posted made the rounds a few weeks back. It stayed on top for a few days and Amis used it to fortify their sense of superiority. Makes it MUCH EASIER to tolerate mass murder when those being murdered are such backward, misogynistic barbarians who would commit such acts against their own. Never forget, SADDAM GASSED HIS OWN PEOPLE!

I guess I just wondered what your communication intent really was. :shrug:

[NMMNG]

16. I think it's just as barbaric

when a gay/lesbian person gets beaten to death by some idiots because of what they read in the Bible.

Barbarism is barbarism, regardless of the culture.

[RagingInMiami]

17. True

But there is something to be said about doing that to a person you have seen grow up from a baby into a young adult.

Many violent acts against homosexuals are done against complete strangers. Not that I am trying to justify this behavior one bit because it is far from justifiable.

But I believe if homophobic people take the time to actually get to know homosexuals for the people they are rather than their sexual preference, they might start viewing them as people and might not be so inclined to feel such hatred against them. The same goes for racists.

I know this won't convert every homophobe or racist, but it might convert a few. (And I am kicking myself as I write this because I had previously vowed never to discuss homosexual issues on DU as they are frequently misinterpreted where I end up being accused of being a homophobic).

So I do want to stress that killing someone just because they are gay or lynching someone just because they are black is one of most disgusting, senseless and ignorant criminal acts in modern society.

But to do something like that to a member of your own family?

[NMMNG]

24. You'd be amazed at the crap people do because their "holy book"

or religious leaders say so, and then call themselves moral and righteous.


But to do something like that to a member of your own family?


If the Word of God demands it, there are those who will do it without question.

[Karenina]

26. How about raping a fellow soldier?

:shrug:

[RagingInMiami]

31. Yes, forgive me for trying to distract DU from our own hideous crimes

By posting something as irrelevant as I just did.

Now if I can only find a video that shows an American soldier raping a fellow soldier, I will post it immediately under the same thread title.

[QC]

13. Perhaps both acts are vile and loathsome?

Not everything is a competition.

[BlooInBloo]

19. jesus - it's not a fucking contest.

[lukasahero]

34. Oddly, to some, it is

Us vs. them and all...

But the part that goes unquestioned? Regardless of the side, it is always the women who are beaten, raped and killed.

We really not that different but we like to believe we are.

[Raksha]

32. That's the true cost of losing the moral high ground.

You can no longer look barbarians from another culture in the eye and say: "In my country, we don't do things like this!" You can't conduct the Nuremberg trials or the equivalent because your own hands are bloody, and everybody knows it.

Edited to fix typo.

[crim son]

7. What people will do in the name of their god.

I'm speechless.

[rec_report]

9. Right, and recall that Saddam Hussein had a secular government.

The Bush regime overthrew Saddam Hussein, and ushered in a Reichwing theocracy in Iraq, to facilitate Exxon Mobil's oil smuggling and Halliburton's profiteering.

On edit: Muslims likely did not carry out the stoning, but the Bush regime wants a Reichwing theocracy running Iraq, etc.
Polar Bear

[shenmue]

23. Muslims did not carry out the stoning?

Who did, the Pope?

:dunce:

[AliceWonderland]

25. Kurdish Yezidis -- Amnesty International story at

http://action.amnesty.org.au/index.php/news/comments/murder_of_yezidi_girl_stoned_to_death_is_wrong/

[MonkeyFunk]

27. Yezidis

they are not Moslems.

[uppityperson]

11. This has been discussed on DU last month. Stoning is nasty. Links here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=282831
"she was not Islamic, her religion pre-dates Islam and is closer to Zoroastrianism."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2851332
Four arrested in Iraq 'honor killing'

Search is being odd. I know there were many more topics, but search isn't showing me them. I had to hit the search button a couple times to find these 2, first time showed none, not even the 1 I first found.

[Karenina]

12. It's just another manifestation of: The Penis Rules

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x6590019

The linked Lounge discussion is just another vibrational level of the same mentality.

[Downtown Hound]

18. According to some of the posts, it wasn't Muslims who did this

The girl was apparently part of a Christian Gnostic tribe and she was stoned to death for falling in love with a Muslim. If anyone has more info please feel free to correct me, I'm only going by some of the posts I read there.

Sick and heartbreaking. The idiotic things people do in the name of religion, no matter what religion it is.

[rec_report]

21. I believe it. The Reichwing media surely will say that Muslims were behind the crime.

n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

28. No

they were not Christian gnostics. Nor were they muslims. They were Yezidi (or Yazidi).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi

[Liberal In Texas]

33. According to your wiki link, there already has been a reprisal...which is in itself barbaric...

On April 22, 2007, 23 Yazidis were shot and killed by gunman near the town of Bashika. The gunmen stopped the bus they were riding in and separated out Christian passengers. The remaining 23 Yazidis were driven to eastern Mosul where they were shot execution style. <7> This was apparently a reaction to video images of twenty Yazidi men from Bashika, stoning a young seventeen year old girl, to death. Du’a Khalil Aswad,<8> She was in love with a non Yezidi (Muslim) boy, and had been seen with him. <9><10>. The murder was videotaped by the men who publicly killed her, on numerous cellphones, and posted the videos to various internet sites.

[Triana]

35. Call it what it is - HATE CRIME (n/t) - hatred of women and...

...blaming them for the "sins" of everyone else. Especially men. They're nothing but sacrificial lambs. So men can wash their hands in the blood of an innocent woman and somehow think that makes THEM cleaner - and more superior and in control - that's what it's about.

[A HERETIC I AM]

36. I am going to say the most honest thing i can think of about these types of incidents.

It is sure to be deleted, but here goes.

Middle Eastern men must have incredibly tiny dicks.

There is simply no other explanation. Sure, tell me it is cultural or religious in origin and i will counter that is has to do with a deep seated insecurity on the part of the males of those cultures. Why else is it that so many cultures in that area of the world repress women, restrict their education and otherwise subjugate them in so many ways?

Why is it so terrifying to the men that a woman might do as she wants?
Why is it so terrifying to the men that a woman might have an education?
Why is is so terrifying to the men that a woman might want to express her beauty in public?

Because Middle Eastern Men are terrified they will lose their women to other men because they have a deep seated, ancient concern about the size of their dicks.

And they must be truly tiny.

Fucking savages.

[Warren DeMontague]

37. I'm against religious crazies and anti-sex zealots imposing their views on everyone else.

I'm against 15th Century mindsets and fundamentalist idiocy. I'm against Theocracy. I'm against flat-Earth-ism. I'm against dogma drunk religious nutjobs trying to tell everyone else how to live their lives.

Why would DU not be the place for that video? I'm here BECAUSE I'm opposed to knuckle-dragging, creationist, fundamentalist, religion-crazed, terrified of sexuality assholes. That's one of the main reasons WHY I'm here.

[upi402]

39. IMAGINE NO RELIGION

[UTUSN]

40. Hey, Rage, are you O.K.? n/t

[RagingInMiami]

41. I'm cool

Just the usual madness

[Evoman]

42. This shit is happening all over the world.

Women are treated like shit in every country. They are second class citizens in almost every society. Honour killings...god, the concept enrages me.

I don't know what to do about this. I am at a loss, as a man, how to make this world safer and better for women.