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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 10:40 AM Original message |
Instead of trying to block illegal immigration, why not go to the source? |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. Because right now, we need a Marshall Plan for the U.S. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! |
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jaksavage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. NAFTA |
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Rydz777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. You are so right. NAFTA was the final blow to an already sick |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
3. Instead of coming here, why don't they stay in their own country |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Quite a few Mexicans do protest. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. How in the hell do you know what I'm talking about? The only illegals |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 07:03 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. "The only illegals in this country aren't Hispanic." |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Whatever Bridget. Plain and simple, I don't care what YOU |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. Heh, didn't you know? |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
47. There needs to be someone willing to pay you your wage first |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 01:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
60. oh, yeah, and let me guess. This is the part where you singlehandedly take credit |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
4. Oh |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. BINGO! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
18. No, the real source is the US government destablizing democracy |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Here's a link to a thread I'm trying to develop in the Latino forum |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. check out the books by Chalmers Johnson |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. You bet. I read Overthrow and needed a month to recover. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. Exactly, It's something they don't teach you in history class and |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
81. I agree |
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pberq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
5. The U.S. government could make a big difference |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
6. The same solution applies to U.S. drug demand and U.S. arms manufacture |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
7. We currently divert 90% of the water from the Colorado river before it gets to Mexico |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. So true. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
20. I didn't know that. n/t |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. back to the books, see: Cadilliac Desert! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. And here all this time, I thought Los Angeles was stealing our water. |
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libnnc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. Thanks for that reference |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
10. because that would make too much damned sense. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-11-07 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
14. Why not try to block contract murder first, or unjustifiable wars |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
16. Far too sensible, HH, and we need a common "enemy." It SHOULD be the corrupt Mexican |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Without BushCo interference, I bet you the progressive would |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Yes, and too many DUers are utterly ignorant about the issue. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Well, our government doesn't exactly advertise it, does it? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. True that. My co-workers appreciate hearing news they don't get anywhere else. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
29. Look at the May 07 home foreclosures and tell me the US |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Why would multinational corporations care if this country |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. The multinationals don't give a flying f--k about the US. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. And that would be the United States view. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I think this government should be under control |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. This country was founded on a genocide and built by slavery |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. DO you think the native peoples here weren't genociding each other |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 12:17 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. No, Native Americans were not perpetuating genocide on |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. The Aztecs were a violent group of people |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 12:33 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. The Aztecs weren't "western"? |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #53 |
64. Your "people" have been on this continent for the past 14 thousand |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. But I didn't say "and you're not welcome". That's a Northern |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Pat, I'm not sure about your part of the world, but.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I agree about living now but no, native peoples did not engage |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 02:34 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Apparently they did in the Great Lakes and Eastern region... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. But, by the same logic, so have we all because our forebearers |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Pat, are you sure you aren't ... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. LOL! My maiden name is Degenhardt. |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. ...... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I'm so sorry. |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. No worries.... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
78. I think you better read some history of pre-Columbian America |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. So, our current practices are just dandy because the AP publishes |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Then check some good history books if you don't believe it. |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
32. I thought you meant by giving serious prison terms to illegal employers... |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
33. Too late |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
34. The US has been propping up (or even putting in place) corrupt govts. in Mexico and Central America |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Since the beginning. n/t |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
40. You'd have to have regime change first in many countries. |
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jobendorfer (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
42. We have 3 options in front of us |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. To do the Marshall Plan you have to make sure that the |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
46. Easier said than done |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-12-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Because those "efforts" were window dressing and not actual efforts. |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. There have been many efforts by well intentioned individuals |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 12:44 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. And why in the world would our solution be better? |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #54 |
68. That's why I said it's easier said than done |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I guess I've been cranky, gravity, because it seems as though |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
55. I gotta wonder whether the number of illegal aliens from Venezuela has gone down. |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
58. I've long thought that a "Marshall Plan" is the answer.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 01:21 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I don't understand why Americans think they know what is better |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 02:47 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Well, your suggestions would be the OBVIOUS first step.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I have a foot in both places, Zookeeper. First generation here |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. The question is.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Well, I'm as average as you can get I think, lol. |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
67. Corporate America wants Mexico to remain a 3rd world country |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Exactly. And multiply that by the rest of the Latin American "reservation". |
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