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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:27 AM
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Meet the latest wingnut hero who hates "Liberals" more than the Taliban or Al Quaeda
Edited on Tue Jun-12-07 09:29 AM by UTUSN
This would be one Marcus LUTTRELL, who was interviewed (or fawned over) by Matt LAUER. This was in the style of how Judith REGAN serviced, uh, I mean, PUBLISHED, Bernie KERIK: Take one HUGH physical specimen, furnish a co-"author" and let him ramble on, then interview him with dewey eyes, your heart pounding with empathy over a big, strong dude showing barely caged wrenching EMOTION.

He's a Navy SEAL (along the lines of Rogue Warrior, another one of REGAN's pets). His unit captured some Taliban and had to decide whether to EXECUTE them or let them go, with the letting-go meaning these Talibaners would be back to attack very soon. So they voted, and Marcus voted -- against his wingnut instincts he says -- to let them go and sure enough the unit is soon under seige and everybody is wiped out EXCEPT Marcus, the LONE SURVIVOR.

So then Matt said, "Let me read you something you wrote: (paraphrasing) 'So I voted to let them go against my gut feelings. I voted the goddamned LIBERAL bleeding heart way to let them go.' "

I can't do justice to the quote. He listed a good half-dozen epithets modifying the gratuitous "Liberal" word.

I don't doubt he has PTSD, that he has guilt over EVERYBODY dying except him, but where did the "Liberal" blame get into this?

In the wingnut item below (from Google), he is said to be the leader of the squad (sort of like Poppy in ditching two planes). Oh, and at the end, where Matt asked about his plans, the answer was that, after taking a break, the dude is going to MEDICAL SCHOOL, doubtlessly to bestow future patients with WINGNUT CARE.




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http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?p=887002

SOCNET: The SpecialOperations.com Bulletin Board

GreenWarrior
Confirmed SOF User

Lone Survivor

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I heard that Marcus Luttell(sic)'s book comes out this week or next. Marcus was the SEAL that survived the attack in July 05. He has a good story to tell. Here is a review on it:

Lone Survivor: The Eyewitness Account of Operation Redwing and the Lost Heroes of SEAL Team 10
by Marcus Luttrell and Patrick Robinson

Four US Navy SEALS departed one clear night in early July, 2005 for the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border for a reconnaissance mission. Their task was to document the activity of an al Qaeda leader rumored to have a small army in a Taliban stronghold. Five days later, only one of those Navy SEALS made it out alive.

This is the story of the only survivor of Operation Redwing, SEAL team leader Marcus Luttrell, and the extraordinary firefight that led to the largest loss of life in American Navy SEAL history. His squadmates fought valiantly beside him until he was the only one left alive, blasted by an RPG into a place where his pursuers could not find him. Over the next four days, terribly injured and presumed dead, Luttrell crawled for miles through the mountains and was taken in by sympathetic villagers who risked their lives to keep him safe from surrounding Taliban warriors.

A born and raised Texan, Marcus Luttrell takes us from the rigors of SEAL training, where he and his fellow SEALs discovered what it took to join the most elite of the American special forces, to a fight in the desolate hills of Afghanistan for which they never could have been prepared. His account of his squadmates' heroism and mutual support renders an experience for which two of his squadmates were posthumously awarded the Navy Cross for combat heroism that is both heartrending and life-affirming. In this rich chronicle of courage and sacrifice, honor and patriotism, Marcus Luttrell delivers a powerful narrative of modern war.

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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:34 AM
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1. Saving Private Ryan?
Wasn't that the propaganda themes of SPR? Hanks let the German POW go, much to his troops' (and we the Audience!) misgivings. Then the German came back and murdered a Jew! Take that 'liberul' hypocrisy!

There is no way to verify the 'Taliban' story as all of the 'other' voters are dead. Maybe his unit did wipe them out -- it's not something one is going to admit to in print since it is a war crime.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:44 AM
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2. Yip, LAUER *did* bring up the war crime aspect of executing them
And the hero said it would have been "worth it" to spend the rest of his life in the brig if only his brothers would still be alive.


Lots of guilt going on. Do squad leaders usually put things to a vote? Was there radio communication to chain of command?
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guntard Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:09 AM
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7. It is embarrassing that I know this, but . . .
The German prisoner released in SPR was not the one who killed the Jewish GI in the knife fight. If was the one who fired the shot that killed Capt Miller at the end (and who was subsequently shot by the young literary corporal after his second surrender).

Just to clarify.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:27 AM
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10. Well I stand corrected...
on who got what poetic justice..

Wasn't Hanks a school teacher too...if I remember correctly. Makes him even more guilty as a 'librul' who might potentially stab America in the back...

What a horrible little movie.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:48 AM
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13. Not just you lol
Oh, well. :-)
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:47 AM
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12. No, the German came back and shot Captain Miller
Edited on Tue Jun-12-07 10:49 AM by krispos42
The German that was captured at the machine-gun emplacement, "Steamboat Willie", was a Wehrmacht soldier and was picked up by the Waffen SS and absorbed into their unit while trying to find Allies to surrender to. Th9 German that killed the Jewish corporal was Waffen SS.

This character is unnamed in the movie, but is referred to as "Steamboat Willie" in the credits. One very common mistake that viewers make in watching Saving Private Ryan is assuming that the German soldier set free by Miller is the same one that kills Private Mellish. The soldier that kills Mellish is from the Waffen-SS, while Steamboat Willie is a regular soldier in the Heer (Army). The two characters do bear a superficial resemblance to each other, largely due to their shaven heads and basic Germanic racial characteristics. In reality German soldiers did not have such closely-cropped hair, but for reasons unknown the production crew made sure that the German extras all received the same haircut.

http://www.sproe.com/s/steamboat-german.html
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:47 AM
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3. Yeah, right out of the movies for sure. Voted? Wouldn't it be the squad leaders decision to decide
the fate of prisoners? Btw, how does he even know if it was the ones let go or another group they came across? A Texan that is able to tell the difference between brown people so he knows for sure it was the same people he let go? On top of that whats even more amazing was he could tell the difference while being in the heat of battle. Remember the Tillman glory story? Sorry for being a doubter, but after 7 years of shrub lies and cover ups both in the military and right wing propagandist all I can say is prove it as something other then more of the same flag waving crap..
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:57 AM
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4. Here's an excerpt: One of the dudes ABSTAINED from the vote
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http://www.blackfive.net/main/

...The four Seals zigzagged all night and through the morning until they reached a wooded slope. An Afghan man wearing a turban suddenly appeared, then a farmer and a teenage boy. Luttrell gave a PowerBar to the boy while the Seals debated whether the Afghans would live or die.

If the Seals killed the unarmed civilians, they would violate military rules of engagement; if they let them go, they risked alerting the Taliban. According to Luttrell, one Seal voted to kill them, one voted to spare them and one abstained. It was up to Luttrell.

Part of his calculus was practical. "I didn't want to go to jail." Ultimately, the core of his decision was moral. "A frogman has two personalities. The military guy in me wanted to kill them," he recalled. And yet: "They just seemed like -- people. I'm not a murderer."

Luttrell, by his account, voted to let the Afghans go. "Not a day goes by that I don't think about that decision," he said. "Not a second goes by."

At 1:20 p.m., about an hour after the Seals released the Afghans, dozens of Taliban members overwhelmed them. The civilians he had spared, Luttrell believed, had betrayed them. At the end of a two-hour firefight, only he remained alive...


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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:18 AM
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8. He's going to be on all the media circus outlets --"EVEN Jay LENO"!!1
Plus Governor Goodhair has already latched on to him for free publicity for himself.


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http://ironmanexpedition.blogspot.com/

.... Marcus Luttrell was MIA, and presumed dead. Marcus and Morgan Luttrell were identical twins, and two of the most popular guys on the team. From the first time I ever met them, it was clear they had a lot of personality! You couldn't help but like the guys. Their Texas roots were evident in their speech, as well as their character. They were tough, hilarious and at the same time, kind and caring. They stood about 6'5", and 220 lbs. Big boys with big hearts. ....

Marcus has written a book to be released on June 12th. This week he is in San Diego to make his official exit from the Navy, as he must exit the Navy before it can be printed. He did this to tell the story of what happened to his teammates, as well as what it means to be a Navy Seal. Most of the proceeds of this book will go to the families of his fallen teammates. ....

...We caught up, and talked about Marcus' upcoming book tour, which currently is scheduled for Larry King Live, Oprah, The Today Show, and a number of other stops, possibly even The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno.

At dinner, Marcus told me, "I was just talking about you the other day to somebody!" I replied, "Really? Who was that?"
He stated, "The Governor of Texas, Rick Perry. He's training for a triathlon, and I told him about you. I told him you're a coach too, so he might be giving you a call."

Wouldn't that be something!

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:27 AM
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11. the Liiiiibbrrrraaal in him is screaming out--it had to be the same guys
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:05 AM
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5. VOTED? Damn- this guy can't take responsibility for jack shit.
First he claims that the decision he made as the leader of a military unit was actually made by popular vote, and then he blames his vote on 'liberalism'.

There's a conservative for you. His only weakness was not realizing the folly of popular rule and compassion.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:08 AM
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6. Oh...I thought this was another Ron Paul thread
:yoiks:














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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:21 AM
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9. These types of books ALWAYS start with bootcamp stories
Always. It's to pump them up as more than human., they're not. This guy is obviously pissed at himself because he failed as a leader, and he's lashing out at the easy target - much like any other coward.
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