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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:38 PM
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If Bush pardons Libby--- he'll drop to the low twenties--- bank on it.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:39 PM
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1. I really don't believe that he'll do it.
Little Lord Pissypants takes good care of himself. He has proven that on more than one occasion.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:42 PM
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4. The Dick'll probably make him do it.
The Dick doesn't want Scootie to suddenly develop a singing voice.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:50 PM
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12. Dick doesn't have to worry
Not as long as Mrs. Libby and the kids are out in the open. The best way to keep Scooter's mouth shut is to constantly remind him about his family and how accidents can happen.

Remember we're talking about a man who shot his friend in the face!!!!!
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:44 PM
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9. unless a pardon keeps Libby from telling on Cheney
It's not as though Bush has any popularity left to lose.

I suppose he may worry about how it'd look in the history books, although even there he may figure "in for a penny, in for a pound." I realize I'm not exactly unbiased, but seriously, is there anything in his legacy that he can point to as any kind of positive achievement from even a Republican point of view? Maybe the stacking of the Supreme Court, but that's about it. So maybe he'll pardon Libby to make sure Libby's lips stay sealed, to keep history from being even unkinder about his administration.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:40 PM
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2. And that will mean what? I don't think it matters to him what his poll numbers are. nt
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:44 PM
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8. Same here..he cares not at all what the American people think of him..
His agenda of favoritism will always take precedent.

There will be an eventual pardon..maybe on a day when some other drama will be created to minimize the pardon in the media.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:41 PM
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3. Not to put too fine a point on it, but...
So what?

The only two things lower are Cheney & the Congress.

I'm betting the Dems can blow 2008 no matter what Bush does.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:43 PM
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5. It happened to Gerald Ford when he pardoned Nixon.
The minute I heard on the news that Ford had pardoned Nixon, my Dad said, "He just lost the election" (presidential election in '76). And he did. It cost him the election. Carter won.


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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:43 PM
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6. Won't make any difference
He could go to the low single digits and it wouldn't make a difference. He could rape a baby goat on live TV it wouldn't make any difference - I'd say only about 20% of America even knows or cares about the shit going on in Washington.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:43 PM
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7. One of the Talking Heads on CNN said that Bush's polls are so low that pardoning Libby couldn't hurt
him more. :shrug: "They" always have an answer for anything Bush does...thinking folks forget what was done to Clinton.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:45 PM
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10. Besides, does the decider really give a flying-fu*k what the people think and want?
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:47 PM
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11. I think, of the < 30% he has,
he stands to lose more of THEM by NOT pardoning.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:51 PM
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13. Once he pardons Libby, if he does, the story will last a day or two, and you'll
NEVER hear about it again, in contrast to the Marc Rich pardon, whose mastermind was, ironically.....

the media have no interest in stories like that, or all the PERJURY that's going on every the latest DOJ liar lies before congress

everybody should be used to it by now
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:51 PM
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14. Why would he care? Good attention and bad attention are the same to him!
Each is a show of his might in this world. He loves to be hated, it's empowering for him. When will the Democrats get this?
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:52 PM
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15. He doesn't care
He's not running for any election. He stupidly feels he will be exonerated by history eventually. The solid 20% will still cheer him on and the Heritage Foundation etal will buff up his "legacy" and the MSM will spit it out as fact.

He can start up a new evangelical "church" at the Crawford Chapel and via the "internets" make obscene amounts of money preaching to his choir.

History and law do not apply to him.

Besides Scooter just might talk -- can't have that.
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:53 PM
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16. THEN! We impeach him.
When 80% of the population hates the guy, impeachment is the path of least resistance!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:38 PM
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22. WE DEMS CANNOT IMPEACH HIM! Because of what was done to Clinton..
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 06:39 PM by KoKo01
DLC has made IMPEACHMENT ...OFF TABLE.. The DLC is doing an "Altruistic THINGY" meaning ...no SOLID Investigations) because it ALL could be perceived as "Witch Hunts"..i.e. what was Done to CLINTON...and that if we don't "learn to get along" they we are like HAMAS/Hezbollah.....We are appeasers against SLAUGHTER AND GENOCIDE in the Middle East.

It's a conundrum...........
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:27 PM
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26. Very unfortunate-nt
nt
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:29 PM
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17. Have you forgotten?
Bush said he would let the appeals process go forward before considering a pardon. Do you think he would lie?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:49 PM
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18. Is that his poll numbers or nightly beer limit?
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:48 PM
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19. It appears Bush is not going to do anything since there has been no appeal.
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 05:48 PM by MasonJar
There's loyalty for you. And Cheney has not even corresponded with Scooter allegedly.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:54 PM
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20. I dont think that he cares.
Makes me wonder if the boy-king knows that he'll be prez after Jan/09 (martial law/Patriot Act), and just doesnt give a shit.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:54 PM
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21. Latest report from WH aides - No pardon.
At least during the appeal period.

Now, almost everyone knows that in these kind of high profile cases, appeals can take YEARS.

So, if you take them at their word - Scooter serves almost his entire sentence.

I'd say that was incentive enough for Scooter to re-evaluate his "priorities".
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:45 PM
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23. And when he
fails to pardon him, his numbers will drop, as well.

I do not think Bush is going to grant a pardon, though it is possible. But it isn't due to the polls.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:48 PM
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24. His numbers MIGHT go up
I did say "might". I just never understand the mind of the conservative. They never fail to baffle me...so either way, I wouldn't be surprised.
Lee
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:23 PM
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25. They won't drop, he's lost everyone but the kool-aid drinkers
The remaining 29% are the people who WANT him to pardon Libby. He could be caught in bed with Osama bin Laden on national TV and would still have their support.
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