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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:53 PM Original message |
BUSTED! Obama campaign caught sending out anonymous hit-pieces on Hillary |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. K for later |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. Am I the only one ready to see some mud fly and the gloves come |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'm not naive to think that his campaign is the only one doing this |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. well |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. How easily they become corrupted! |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
118. But it IS a "new kind of politics" |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I agree and I hate sleazy politics |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
110. Gosh. |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. So -- where are all the hit pieces posted about Hillary Clinton |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Oh brother |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
39. Oh you mean like her mud-slinging push-polling |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. might have to do with all the hit jobs the clinton campaign has been putting out this week. |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Which ones would those be? n/t |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. If you have evidence, we would like to see it. |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. There's only one pertinent question: |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Bill Clinton did not protect American jobs. |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. oh really |
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sidwill (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Obviously you are a Hillary fan |
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nevergiveup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. You ain't seen nothing yet |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I have no problem with sleazy |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #13 |
102. I'm not disagreeing with that, either. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
38. Exactly. n/t |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
84. best post in thread |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
15. I'm glad Obama's Mr. Nice personality is fading away |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Yeah, but if he's gonna declare war on her, he needs to not do it in an anonymous way.n/t |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:28 PM Original message |
I don't know about political logistics; that's Burton's job. |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. then |
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sidwill (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Yeah I'm not so sure |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
61. Ha! |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #61 |
89. I think it's more a statement on Hillary's high profile, and 15 years of smears against her |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. The Clinton slime machine |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Yeah, but Clinton doesn't claim to be a engaging in a new kind of politics |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. If you can't beat them, join them. A good boxer always has a plan b, including dirty tactics. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Well,that's an inspiring message! |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. It's the truth. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. That's what scares me. |
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BlueStater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. To a certain extent, candidates have to go a little negative |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. you aren't doing your boy any favors |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. I don't disagree. I was just under the impression that he was trying to stay above all of that. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Yep, Hillary does slimy politics, always has, always will |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. and |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. I think it makes him a desperate politician |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. yes I agree |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
90. Oh, okay. Hil's new message: "Hey, I'm sleezy... but I'm honest!" |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
92. I agree. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
46. you've got to be kidding |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
40. The Clinton slime machine? |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. yes, the clinton slime machine. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. And the Clinton campaign is the only one that does this? |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
29. They both stink |
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BlueStater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. I'm pretty much already sick of everyone, nearly a year and a half before the election n/t |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
33. *yawn* politicians, behaving like. . . . . . . . politicians? |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. of course not |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. Show me ONE of them who does not engage in hypocrisy. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
69. thats one of the problems with Hillary, her hypocracy. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
36. Clinton clamed she brought new jobs to Buffalo |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Obama hates Baby Boomers. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. excuse me? WHAT are you talking about? |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. He has said or implied that he was part of a new, younger generation |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Well he is new. He is younger. Good for him. |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Yeah, but I think he specifically mentioned baby boomers, IIRC |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Well, at least he's not bought and sold already. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
94. Good comment. Thank you. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. geez i`m a baby boomer |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:21 AM Response to Reply #48 |
104. But that's a lie!! |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Read his book. |
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live love laugh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
52. I think THIS THREAD is a hit piece. n/t |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. i agree-- want the truth about what happened and why-in full? |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. See my post above - she promised to bring jobs to upstate NY. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. opps wrong thread---anyway do`t get me started about tata. |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
77. Amen (nt) |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
93. I'd like to hear from an Obama supporter/volunteer who's seen the piece |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
54. Although I like Obama |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Yes but her husband has talent and she does not. |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Talent and charisma aren't the same thing. n/t |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. So what? She has neither. |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. that's your opinion and it's pretty worthless |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Well I think Rudy is lacking in both and he is leading in the polls. |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #65 |
96. Rudy has a talent in capitalizing on 9/11 |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. well, SOMEBODY needed to do SOMETHING |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. But now he is taking advantage of 9/11 by lying about what he actually has done. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #98 |
103. well now he's a prick, as he was before 9/11 |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:21 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. No I agree. But apparently he did make one incredibly idiotic comment that day |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #105 |
108. that's a tale he told at the Republican convention |
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BlueStater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #103 |
107. He certainly is now though |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. I'm not necessarily criticizing him for his behavior on 9/11 |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Since then though he is a lying piece of shit about 9/11 |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Definitely. n/t |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:21 AM Response to Reply #100 |
106. absolutely |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. oh lord! |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. She's given some good speeches |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. 1969??? OMG! |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. If you read it all, I also cited a recent one she gave |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:26 AM Original message |
I had the privilege of hearing Ann Richards speak in Boston in 2004 |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
112. Ann's wonderful - I've met her and heard her speak |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:26 AM Response to Reply #80 |
109. I had the privilege of hearing Ann Richards speak in Boston in 2004 |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. I think she lacks some charisma (she admits it herself) but I think she's a talented politician |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. she got there by coat-tails, and money |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. I'm a true supporter and I'm certainly not on the payroll |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. supporters? check her contributions. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. You also cannot deny her support |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Yeah, those folks can't *all* be on the payroll - she doesn't have that much money! n/t |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #79 |
95. she's the biggest celebrity in the race. she has the highest name recognition. |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. She gets plenty of $ from ordinary folks like me. n/t |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. I think the coattail argument is legitimate |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. I would not underestimate her |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. I would donate to both if I could and set a little aside for Gore. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
58. What a shock!! Who'd have thought that American politics could be undignified. Tsk. Tsk. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
81. Obama=politics as usual.... |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
82. Seems like Hillary is already desperate (ntg) |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. How does this show that Hillary is desperate? |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
87. BREAKING "Herman Munster" complains about "anonymous hit-pieces" OED compelled to redefine hypocrisy |
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HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
88. I SUSPECT THAT REPUBLICANS ARE SOMEHOW INVOLVED IN THIS MESS |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Ah...like the source "unaffiliated with the Obama campaign" |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
111. I smell a rat ...and it isn't Obama. |
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Ino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
113. Is what was said about Clinton true? |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. At least some of it wasn't true (per TPM Cafe) |
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Ino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Follow one of the links in your TPM story... |
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Ino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. The Clintons themselves listed the speech date as 9/11/06 |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
114. Nothing like a vigorous primary. |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
119. If we were talking about Israeli-Americans, they'd call Obama a bigot. |
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