Before there were “enhanced interrogation techniques,” there was verschärfte Vernehmung

[G_j]

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2007/06/impeach_george_.html

Impeach George W. Bush Now
Scott Horton:

"Defending Enhanced Interrogation Techniques": Before there were “enhanced interrogation techniques,” there was verschärfte Vernehmung, (which means “enhanced interrogation techniques”) developed by the Gestapo and the Sicherheitsdienst in 1937 and subject to a series of stringent rules. Now, as we have seen previously, there were extremely important differences between the Gestapo’s interrogation rules and those approved by the Bush Administration. That’s right-—the Bush Administration rules are generally more severe, and include a number of practices that the Gestapo expressly forbade.

Today Andrew Sullivan takes a look at the criminal prosecutions that followed the war in which Gestapo officers who used enhanced interrogation techniques were prosecuted for war crimes as a result. What arguments did they advance? Well, Dick Cheney and Rudy Giuliani will be pleased to know that they haven’t missed any major points.

the ticking time-bomb exception, and the need for better intelligence about an insurgency-—the same defense as the GOP establishment has used for exactly the same techniques-—hypothermia, stress positions, sensory deprivation, etc.—-in the US and Iraq. The terms and specific methods used are the same for the Gestapo’s “verschärfte Vernehmung,” “Third Degree,” and Bush’s “enhanced interrogation.”

HEYDRICH told him that he reserved for himself the final approval of such measures in Germany and he would see to it that they were applied only in the most urgent cases.

[Rydz777]

1. I lived in Turkey for a year. There it is called "deep interrogation." eom

[seemslikeadream]

2. He carefully studied American laws allowing sterilization of the "unfit" on eugenic grounds.

http://www.motherjones.com/arts/books/2003/09/ma_513_01.html

Adolf Hitler didn't think much of the United States, but during his rise to power he repeatedly singled out one aspect of American life for praise: our eugenic policies. In Mein Kampf, Hitler applauded America's exclusionary immigration laws. He carefully studied American laws allowing sterilization of the "unfit" on eugenic grounds. He even wrote fan letters to leading American eugenicists, telling Madison Grant, for example, that his book The Passing of the Great Race was his "bible."

[G_j]

4. I think I read once

that Hitler was also an admirer of the American reservation system (for Native Americans)

[pat_k]

3. SCOTUS declared them War Criminals with the Hamdan decision. . .

What the heck do people who claim we must "investigate first" think they'll uncover that's more powerful than that?

Every time Cheney defends "dunking" he is committing a war crime.

When Bush declared Guantanamo to be a Geneva-free zone, committed a war crimes. Crimes he openly continued for three years. There was NEVER any doubt that Geneva applied. Not even their stacked court could escape reality.

Geneva requires parties to the treaty to enact the dictates of the treaty in their own laws. We did so with our War Crimes statute (Title 18 section 2441). Gutting that law by legislation or executive order is a war crime.

While people may be loathe to say it, the Members of Congress (Democrats included) who voted for the War Criminals Protection Act of 2007 committed a War Crime.

There is a reason that war crimes are subject to the penalty of death. To motivate anyone with the power to commit such crimes from stepping anywhere near "the line."

"I didn't know where the line was" is not a defense. There is no "unringing the bell."

Impeachment isn't about "them" it's about us. We must impeach to rescue the USA from its current status as a War Criminal nation that illegally spies on its own citizens.

Impeachment is for us, but justice demands retribution. For that, Bush, Cheney, and their co-conspirators will have to face prosecution at the Hague.

[G_j]

5. great points

great post
:thumbsup:

[bobthedrummer]

8. "The General's Report" by Seymour M. Hersh

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/06/25/070625fa_fact_hersh

[leftofthedial]

6. you can't call the repukes nazis

it will make us look bad

[bobthedrummer]

7. Before there was an American Enterprise Institute there was the Ahnenerbe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahnenerbe

[Hubert Flottz]

9. "MORALITY"

Compassionate Conservatism.

[bobthedrummer]

10. Before "FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH" there was "Arbeit macht frei"

[Hubert Flottz]

11. Before Hitler became anything like an evil King of Germany

Prescott Bush and IG Farben were working toward that end!

The Hitler Project

Bush Property Seized--Trading with the Enemy

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm#3%20--

[bobthedrummer]

12. Before the GM SUV's there was "Hitler's Carmaker: The Inside Story of How General

Motors Helped Mobilize the Third Reich" by Edwin Black
Part 1
http://hnn.us/articles/37935.html
Part 2
http://hnn.us/articles/38255.html

[seemslikeadream]

13. IBM and the Holocaust

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeXAb4u9GWs


THE CORPORATION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkoM8RB-kJ0


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanta
Fanta Orange



Fanta is a brand of fruit-flavored soft drink from the Coca-Cola Company, introduced for the first time in Germany in 1940.

Fanta was devised during World War II in Nazi Germany by the German Coca Cola (GmbH) bottling company. Due to restrictions on shipping between Nazi Germany and the United States during hostilities, the German bottling plant could no longer get Coca Cola syrup. The CEO of the plant, Max Keith, needed to do something to keep the plant in operation and came up with a fruit flavored drink made from whatever he could find. Using apple fiber left over from cider presses and whey, a byproduct from cheese manufacture, Fanta was created and became quite popular. The original German Fanta had a yellow color and a different flavor from that of Fanta Orange; the exact flavor varied throughout the war, depending on the availability of ingredients.

The name 'Fanta' came during an employee contest to name the new beverage. Keith told them to let their Fantasie (German for imagination) run wild. On hearing that, salesman Joe Knipp spontaneously arrived upon the name Fanta.

[bobthedrummer]

14. Before Bayer's orange flavored baby aspirin and Cipro there was I.G. Farben

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