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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 01:49 PM Original message |
New Immigration Bill has provisions to grant legal status to the 12 million |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. The Dems should be fighting for complete amnesty. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. I support Complete Amnesty also |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. If they are not allowed to work illegally, they will go somewhere else, not? |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. blabity blabity blah |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Hello. It is a crime to enter the United States without a visa. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Nearly half of the population of the U.S. has knowingly violated marijuana laws |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 01:41 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. So if I follow that logic |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
89. Do I hear crickets? nt |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #36 |
120. You're moving the goalposts. |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:01 AM Response to Reply #120 |
136. Of course it.s bullshit |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #120 |
150. U: "and you Nativists know it." Isn't name calling is the last resort of failed argumentation. |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 01:32 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. blabity blabity blah |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. It's a civil offense |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 01:55 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. As is treason........nt |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 02:59 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. It's more than a stretch to compare treeason |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
90. I don't think so. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
144. You're right! |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 08:40 AM Response to Reply #30 |
149. Actually, it is not a crime |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
67. Harboring criminals is illegal also. I guess a little jail time won't hurt you. |
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pingzing58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:55 AM Response to Reply #67 |
107. Yea, but Madspirit won't go to hell for not helping the least as you will... |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 02:42 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. What? Oh...... that's right |
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pingzing58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 02:43 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. lol |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 08:31 AM Response to Reply #107 |
114. Don't believe in hell. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 02:34 AM Response to Reply #24 |
109. Deleted message |
mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #109 |
115. undercriminalization too |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 08:28 PM Response to Reply #115 |
134. You raise an important question and issue. |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
73. read the post |
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Anaxamander (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
78. So because you've got some illegal buddies, |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. Then what??? What is to be done with the NEXT TWELVE MILLION? |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Keep out the Irish! Keep out the Chinese! Keep out the Mexicans! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Got nothing, huh? |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Didn't know the Irish and Chinese came over on slave ships, too. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I guess you don't give a shit about the Irish-Americans, Chinese-Americans, ... |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. focus? And remember, the "illegal migrants" came here over 10,000 years ago!! |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. My point was not that you were a racist. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. I support LEGAL immigration. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #75 |
95. good points there |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 09:56 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Thanks. Appreciate it. |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Kudos |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. I really appreciate your generosity. Even when I reread 'em I still feel I'm falling short. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. U: "EVERY citizen should take part in forming our laws and complying with them." |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. The economy should serve the people, NOT vice versa. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:16 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. I see we criticize the same side of the contradiction. Where is your response to |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #104 |
122. As I've tried to make clear (and apparently failed), we must ENFORCE and COMPLY with |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #122 |
131. ABSOLUTELY, nd very well-stated. And, yes, let's get evidence on the employers |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:31 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Again........IMHO........spot on. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #105 |
119. Perhaps the one thing that you and I could agree on would be |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #75 |
97. wonderfully put |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #64 |
117. not racism or nativism |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #117 |
123. Thank you. That's exactly how I view it. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
69. And, the solution is ? |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Profits |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #74 |
98. Well, it's profits for "owners" and a fraction of the value of their labor to workers. |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #98 |
116. profits for the rich |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. See my post #75 above ... |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
66. Why not invite all 6 Billion + people in the world to become citizens?? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Go ahead. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
146. Just guessing, but did you read the OP at all? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. No. I don't understand where your 'new, non-voting class of workers' comes from. They're already |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. The provisions to give current non-visa migrants legal status determines when and how |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
3. Nothing like creating a slave class... |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. There are efforts underway to create political traps with legislation |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Well, anyone that votes for it deserves to be blown up in that minefield. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Indeed. Enforcement would have prevented the problem. Who benefitted? |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
121. Exactly Right |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Giving them legal status means that they can't be paid slave wages |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. There's a lot of incentive to hire an immigrant willing to work construction... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. So even legal immigrants are bad for the country? n/t |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Depends on what you are talking about. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Hah, but to get the diversity and richness into our culture, |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. And we do accept immigrants. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. They are ALREADY here. |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. And I support making it impossible for illegal immigrants to find work. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Well, we will have to step out back then |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I guess so, because I support my family and friends... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:02 AM Response to Reply #29 |
41. You may be happy to hear that Tom Tancredo agrees with you |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Construction work pay has been frozen for more than 20 years due to the underground economy. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. It's very similar to the way "scabs" were used to destroy organized labor. |
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snailly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
147. Thank you |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
54. ITIN |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
53. guest workers |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 06:28 AM Response to Reply #10 |
140. You've noticed the strong anti-immigrant bias... |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #140 |
142. Anti-immigration isn't bias if it is a reasoned position, if it's just opposition. |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #8 |
45. But 12 million minimum wage payed workers will still screw up the middle class, and others |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
13. Consider who is lobbying for this and who will benefit. Business interests |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. My Friends |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. You and the US Chamber of Commerce |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. FOLLOW THE MONEY Lobbyists & $$$ BILLIONS with a B, BBBillions!!! |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Inane Babbling |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 05:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
40. Finally, the "corporate shill" accusation. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Congrats, Now you're on their "wing-nut shill" list too. Give yourself a metal. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Of course, given the alternative. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
125. It's not "rewarding their crimininality"... |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. What happens if illegal employment ends? Illegal workers will go away. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. As long as we're dealing in generalizations, I have a concern ... |
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Babel_17 (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. Bush is holding border security and ... |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Very good points. The struggle will be over the amendments, reshaping the bill. |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
28. This is a horrible bill; effectively creates a non-ending, second-class, slave-labor |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
31. Alot of people don't understand that making illegals legal without stopping the employers... |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Excellent Points. It all happened before, just as you say. |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
55. yup, it has to be a multi pronged approach |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
34. U.S. Chamber of Commerce openly advocates amnesty for illegal aliens |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
44. What disturbs me are the provisions in the bill that aren't being aired in the open. |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. RealID |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. And being a life-long Democrat, it freaks me out that the Democrats are backing this bill. I feel |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Watch the amendments debate. Did you see the reaction to Dorgan's amendment. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. And I feel like pinching my fingers here (like biting my tongue), Dorgan is right. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #68 |
91. I saw the debate. Dorgan nailed it like he does the big oil issue. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 07:19 AM Response to Reply #91 |
113. I was looking for Dorgan on YouTube and found this clip discussing his |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
46. 1. It's a step forward. 2.It's better than the alternative. 3.It's a NIXON-in-China opportunity. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Something has to be done. The OP poses the question of ramifications to democracy. |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. As I said, the clear inequalities will have to be faced by SCOTUS |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. The amendments to the proposed legislation will be an interesting debate |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. not sure about this |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Why are you not sure of "what is trying to be said?" It might even be over-simplified |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. part of what the OP mentioned was the right to vote |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. I think |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
76. Guest worker programs should include strong wage protections for U.S. workers |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. It seems demanding that employers pay everyone the same wage |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
79. All Americans should be because even if they don't care about |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. you mean the southern democrats? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
80. Sunset provision on guest worker program passes |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Sen. Dorgan: Unlabor Day - The immigration bill will hurt American workers |
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pingzing58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #82 |
126. What do understand by "real border security?" |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. You are right. Is the $4.4 BILLION in the current legislation pure cronyism |
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pingzing58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. I've been searching for an argument against the funding for a fence and yours is excellent. |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. good thing it is gone |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. The sunset provision passed, but the guest worker provision was not amended out. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
83. Bush defends immigration bill, guest worker program |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
86. Registration, temporary cards, "Z" visas, eight year waits, barriers to citizenship |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. touchback and more |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
92. I have know idea what the Dems are thinking about on this |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 08:30 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Watch the Senate on C-SPAN when it goes back to the floor, and read the Congressional Record. |
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pingzing58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 02:01 AM Response to Reply #92 |
108. It's about dealing with reality! It's about dealing with things as they are. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
93. ironically, Europe is having its own issues |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-16-07 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
99. I'm very conservative on illegal immigration. |
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pingzing58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:52 AM Response to Reply #99 |
106. Why? |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 03:17 AM Response to Original message |
112. I don't blame the Mexicans. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #112 |
118. Blaming corporations is a simplificatioin. Lots of independent businessmen too. |
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Babel_17 (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
124. Fwiw, I work with many legal immigrants |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
129. TEXT Senate Bill 1348 = MUST READ |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. A thread for those who have read the proposed language |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:16 AM Response to Reply #129 |
138. I read it this afternoon, all 628 pages, but why? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #138 |
141. It is going to the Senate Floor for debate, and amendments will be offered. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. I posted my thoughts to you someplace else, but here I'll do it again. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #143 |
145. The good and lenghty comments are apprecited. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
135. Pretty good thread here |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
137. Provision: FAILURE TO OBEY LAWFUL ORDERS up to 5 years in prison. |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
139. I also support complete amnesty and citizenship |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #139 |
148. The path to citizenship should not be delayed by the bill, but, should everyone |
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