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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:30 AM
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Neocon “Scholars” Call for Dismembering Bill of Rights
by Kurt Nimmo - Global Research, Another Day in the Empire

Imagine my surprise. A “guest scholar at the center-left Brookings Institution,” Benjamin Wittes, wants to gut the Second Amendment. Wittes told CNSNews “that rather than try to limit gun ownership through regulation that potentially violates the Second Amendment, opponents of gun ownership should set their sights on repealing the amendment altogether.”

Georgetown University law professor Randy Barnett, however, did not limit his comments to the Second Amendment, suggesting instead that much of the Bill of Rights has “no contemporary relevance.” As an example, Barnett cited the Fourth Amendment. “Sure it was fine that persons should be secure in their papers and effects back in the old days when there wasn’t a danger of terrorism and mass murder.” According to the professor, the Fourth Amendment is “archaic we don’t need it anymore.”

Of course, this sort of authoritarian nonsense should be expected, as we have allowed the government to be hijacked by a gaggle of neocons and their neoliberal kissing cousins who favor the sort of government operating in China to a constitutionally limited republic of the sort we had until 1791 when the Federalist Alexander Hamilton set-up the first central bank in America modeled after the Bank of England. In essence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights have languished ever since and the neocons are now simply doing away with all pretense, not that most Americans will notice—so long as they remain “free” to shop, consume, and watch American Idol. Incidentally, it is amusing CNSNews characterizes the Brookings Institution as “center-left,” a designation deemed to give the impression the place is crawling with Democrats and fence-sitting “progressives.” Never mind such labels are worthless, as the transnational plutocrats and globalists in control of the horizontal and vertical consider such appellations of little use beyond hypnotizing the commoners.

In fact, Brookings is strictly a neocon “think tank,” connected at the hip with the American Enterprise Institute (where Bush gets his “minds,” that is to say psychopaths) and the Wharton Business School, allegedly fronted by the Tavistock Institute. In addition, Brookings hosts the Saban Center for Middle East Policy, founded by Haim Saban, the billionaire former Israeli who proudly declares: “I’m a one-issue guy and my issue is Israel.” Saban is a Democrat—thus demonstrating you can’t tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans without a scorecard. Finally, it should come as no surprise neocons and neolibs want to do away with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, even though these founding documents are now little more than a historical facade, as the founding concepts enshrined in the documents were dismantled and floated down the river by bankers and the financial elite more than two centuries ago. Neocons have no use for the First, Second, Fourth or any other number of amendments, as they subscribe to the Führerprinzip, that is to say the leadership or Führer principle based on the Auctoritas of ancient Rome, as spelled out by Carl Schmitt, the Nazi jurist who elevated the concept of a dictatorial Reichspräsident, a concept embraced by neocons far and wide.

Thus it makes perfect sense the boy wonder of the neocons, Bill Kristol, would declare: “Maybe we should have Supreme Leader Bush. I kind of like the sound of that.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5985

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:33 AM
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1. well i think it is time for dismembering the NeoCons, anybody know some Mongols with 4 horses
Edited on Sat Jun-16-07 07:33 AM by sam sarrha
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:39 AM
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3. Put their heads on a pike at the city gates
Object lesson.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:31 AM
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20. have pike
and flanged mace...'ven you 'vant me to show up?

I can do mean "German barbarian"...or Renaissance mercenary...in costume.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 08:29 AM
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5. Not mongols, but I know some Scots-Irish with Clidesdales.
Same effect.

-Hoot
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:36 AM
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2. Why do they hate our freedoms?
They make Osama bin Laden tingle.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 09:25 AM
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9. You may have added a word to that sentence to make it inaccurate.
They make Osama bin Laden.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:03 PM
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12. Self-delete. Posted in wrong place
Edited on Sat Jun-16-07 12:04 PM by BrklynLiberal
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 08:16 AM
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4. I love it, give it time and the NRA will become a Democratic ally.
Edited on Sat Jun-16-07 08:17 AM by gordianot
Conservatives have invited thieves, liars, authoritarians into their midst. The much misaligned liberals are now the real Conservatives as they reject the radical Neo-Con, Neo-Liberal agenda.

Keep chipping on the Bill of Rights, deny Habeas Corpus, allow for financial readjustment. The sleeping giant will eventually wake up and eat you.

Yes repeal the second amendment and the gun nuts will go nuts.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 08:35 AM
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6. When did the Brookings Institute become an authoritarian left outfit?
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 11:53 AM
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11. Double-speak at its finest...
Cons are Liberals, war is peace... yaddy yaddy yaddy
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 09:03 AM
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7. So the Bill of Rights is as "quaint" as the Geneva Convention is
to these guys.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 09:17 AM
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8. Who wants to bet * doesn't give up power in 08...just a thought
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 02:12 AM
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22. They probably won't be that blatant. They can just buy, threaten, blackmail
or assassinate the next president.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 11:42 AM
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10. just keeps getting
scarier.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:05 PM
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13. This is sickening...Literally sickening. After reading it I want to go into my bathroom and puke up
Edited on Sat Jun-16-07 12:05 PM by BrklynLiberal
my guts!!!
Where are we going? What is happening to this country?
:mad: :puke: :scared: :cry:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:22 PM
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14. "We are therefore compelled to adopt a series of measures that are not essential for the war effort
in themselves, but seem necessary to maintain morale at home and at the front.

The optics of the war, that is, how things outwardly appear, is of decisive importance in this fourth year of the war.

In view of the superhuman sacrifices that the front makes each day, it has a basic right to expect that no one at home claims the right to ignore the war and its demands.

And not only the front demands this, but the overwhelming part of the homeland.

The industrious have a right to expect that if they work ten or twelve or fourteen hours a day, a lazy person does not stand next to them who thinks them foolish.

THE HOMELAND MUST STAY PURE AND INTACT IN ITS ENTIRETY. NOTHING MAY DISTURB THE PICTURE."

Excerpt from a speech given before a select political audience in Berlin, Germany by Joseph Goebbels 2-18-1943.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:27 PM
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15. In 1776 we called these folls LOYALISTS
Gore calls them Ecnomic Royalists

I call them fascists
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 02:20 PM
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16. Professor thinks the 4th Amendment is archaic and isn't needed...
I wonder how much the personal data companies are paying him so they can profit from citizens aggregated data, and not need to respect that information as property of each citizen.

Proles shouldn't be allowed any property at all. /sarcasm

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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 02:29 PM
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17. Traitors of the highest degree
They need to be exposed and
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 11:56 PM
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18. The linked article is *seriously* misleading
No one at the Brookings Institution (which is indeed center-left) is calling for the gutting of the Bill of Rights.

If you go back to at CNSNews.com, you'll see that a Brookings guest scholar, Benjamin Wittes, called for repeal of the Second Amendment. Another participant in the discussion, Randy Barnett, responded that Wittes's mode of argument against the Second Amendment was dangerous. Barnett's point was that the rationale advanced by Wittes (changed social circumstances) could be used by right-wingers to support gutting the Bill of Rights.

The linked article states, "According to (Barnett), the Fourth Amendment is 'archaic we don’t need it anymore.'" Wrong -- he didn't say that. Here's the full passage from the source article:

But advocates of warrantless searches could make an "appeal to changing circumstances," on the basis that the Fourth Amendment is "archaic we don't need it anymore," he added.

Barnett recommended that gun control advocates "not favor methods of interpretation that you wouldn't want to put in the hands of political opponents."


In this context, it's clear that he was characterizing views he opposed.

If you want to know what the Brookings Institution actually thinks about civil liberties and other issues, go to . You'll find, for example, about the scope of Presidential power, where the Brookings representative says, "I can find no justification in our constitutional traditions for the administration's continuing refusal, more than four years (after September 11th), to accept the legitimacy of a constitutional role in this matter." That won't win him any friends among the neocons.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:12 AM
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19. Look to
Edited on Sun Jun-17-07 12:20 AM by undergroundpanther
Vogelin and Leo Strauss. Neocon Darling"philosophers"..There you will find why they seek to destroy the bill of rights. I read some of Strauss , nauseating BTW,and Vogelin vogelin is gnostic phobic and has no clue what a gnostic really IS.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/10/050.html

Conservative "values"includes the DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS people.And Orders and Classes of people.Top down authoritarian rule.
Bill of rights OPPOSES this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l0ceOoxujk
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Panoptic_Age.htm
An article I wrote that you may like..
What exactly do conservatives conserve?
http://www.unknownnews.org/060502a-Panther.html

More stuff
http://www.unknownnews.org/070217a-Panther.html
http://www.unknownnews.org/070602a-Panther.html
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:45 AM
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21. It's also the neolibs as well as neocons. connected to the DLC
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 07:51 AM
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23.  I strongly agree that the Bill of Rights should be suspended.
Edited on Sun Jun-17-07 08:37 AM by Kablooie
But only for those who want it suspended.

So all Neocons can voluntarily forfeit all their own rights and then can be joyous knowing that the government can invade any area of their life and imprison them at any time without cause.
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