The prosecutor in the Duke University lacrosse rape case was disbarred Saturday.

[LoZoccolo]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/06/16/duke.lacrosse.ap/index.html

I agree he should have been disbarred. What I want to know now is when are they going to go after that lying erotic dancer. Why should she be allowed to get away with this.

Values are not just words, values are what we live by. They're about the causes that we champion and the people we fight for.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. I Agree COMPLETELY. She Should Be In Prison. A Tough Message Should Be Sent For Those Who

would blatantly falsely accuse others of such crimes. There should be a high standard to be met, of course, but I believe that to have been met here. She's filth in my opinion.

[bluestateguy]

2. Next up, CRIMINAL CHARGES

and then Crystal Gail Mangum should be next.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

4. Can He Face Criminal Charges?

[Kagemusha]

6. Since the DoJ ruled out touching this, leaves say, criminal contempt

I heard the defense lawyers will be at a hearing for that next week? It'll either start or become a non-starter fairly soon, it seems

[papau]

8. the defense demanding the replacement DA file criminal contempt charges may not go any where n/t

n/t

[ProdigalJunkMail]

27. then the new DA would likely be in violation of the oath of office

as I am sure it includes some stuff about upholding the laws of the state, which it is almost certain that he broke and for which he could very likely be convicted. See, there is acutally evidence this time...

sP

[qdemn7]

16. Personally

I'd like to see something happen to those 80+ "Professors" at Duke who were so quick to rush to judgment in a public manner. Of course NOTHING will happen to them because of tenure and other academic bullshit.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

3. I wonder how many of the dead-enders will show up to insist something happened...

"They are rich and white, they must be guilty of something"

[bluestateguy]

7. everybody knows that Karl Rove masterminded a secret payoff to the accuser

with hush money raised by the RNC. The whole plan was laid out in secret codes in the Downing Street Memo.

:sarcasm:

[TankLV]

66. They have - HERE - there are DU'rs who take this man-hating position...

[Kagemusha]

5. Thank you for referring to the dancer with decent, if stern language.

I don't remember who posted another thread about this but it involved the lying part plus a crude term - no need for that here, so thank you.

[bedpanartist]

9. This is what happens when you slander rich white people

had it been anyone else without dough or political connections, this prosecutor would still be holding press conferences talking about how nasty these hooligans were.

It happens every day across the country, and most people just yawn.

[hiaasenrocks]

11. It's fame and money, not race.

Ask OJ Simpson, R Kelly, and others who enjoy fame and wealth.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

13. Still One Of The Greatest Injustices That OJ Is Not Locked In Prison For The Rest Of His Life.

It's the most boggled I've ever been by a jury decision.

[hiaasenrocks]

14. Agreed. Even after all this time, it's difficult to believe.

And it was disgusting that we (as a society) got so close to him releasing a book just a few short months ago that allegedly detailed how he "would have" committed the crime. Sick.

[TheWraith]

19. It's clear that you've only listened to the secondhand claims.

If you knew the actual facts, you'd be aware that the book was in no way what it was portrayed by the publisher as. There was no "confession," no "how it would have happened." Only one chapter concerned the case at all, and that was primarily about the issues with the physical evidence. The title and the media spin were chosen by the publisher, a very borderline woman who publicly admitted that she wanted to force him to "confess" because she felt he was guilty, and wrote a clause into the contract saying that the book company had to give her $1 million dollars if she wasn't the person who got to interview him on live national television. I'm honestly surprised that so many people on DU, who otherwise don't trust anything the media says, willingly and uncritically accept the spin ladled out on a few issues like this one.

[hiaasenrocks]

33. LMAO.

Hey, if you want to buy into the publisher's spin, go right ahead.

Defending OJ. Great.

[TheWraith]

41. Did you actually read anything I said?

The publisher's spin is that it's a "confession." That's what they wanted to sell it as. All the people who have actually seen it, though, completely disagree.

[TheWraith]

18. I wasn't aware you were on the jury.

Oh wait, you weren't? Because the twelve people who were given the facts of the case--only the facts, minus the shitstorm of innuendo and spin that was circling the whole case--unanimously decided on a verdict of not guilty. What I find boggling is that people who weren't there, who didn't sit through every minute of the trial, and often don't know even many of the most basic facts about the case, feel somehow qualified to criticize the decision of the 12 people whose entire duty was to judge the evidence impartially.

[Nye Bevan]

32. Yes. The Juice is 100% INNOCENT

And I am sure that he is close to tracking down the REAL KILLERS.

[hiaasenrocks]

34. Oh please.

You really think he didn't do that? Jeebus.

[ljm2002]

36. I have no quarrel with the jury...

...but I also disagree with the verdict they laid down. It does not make me angry at them -- one has only to know a little bit about the history of the LAPD wrt blacks in that city, to understand why a black jury might inherently distrust the cops -- but it was still the wrong outcome, IMO.

You think you can dismiss someone's position on this matter by saying they weren't on the jury. Well I, for one, watched much of the trial when it was happening, and also discussed the evidence in great detail on a newsgroup devoted to the case. After all of the analysis, my personal conclusion is that OJ was and is guilty, guilty, guilty. I too wish he would have spent the rest of his natural life in prison.

Things being what they are, my remaining wish is that the children are able to cope with the bizarre situation, living with their father who may have murdered their mother, but has been legally exonerated (except for that pesky civil case). I hope they can maintain sane attitudes, and not internalize the unhealthy aspects of the family relationships. I wonder if they see their maternal grandparents at all?

[TheWraith]

42. It wasn't just a "black jury."

And saying that the only reason he was acquitted was because the jury had 8 black people on it seems to me to be a gross oversimplification at best, and racist at worst, like black people aren't capable of actually administering justice.

My point is that too many people think that they know the truth about the case when they actually don't realize the line between the real facts and the rumor and innuendo that have so often been presented as "facts." This is the case that in many ways marked the beginning of 24/7 tabloid news, the Fox News/Nancy Grace era of TV vigilantism. So yes, I value the jury's verdict above the opinions held by other people because the jury followed the rules of evidence. And having followed those rules, and having had nearly every decision favor the prosecution, 12 people still unanimously felt that there wasn't the evidence.

[yardwork]

45. LOL! You're kidding, right?

[murloc]

63. Those 12 people were idiots

I don't have a problem judging them at all.

[laureloak]

15. Baloney. You call stealing someones life SLANDER?

[mondo joe]

17. Had they not been who they were, he wouldn't have had the motivation to lie

for political gain.

[Paladin]

40. Does It Make You Feel Better To Blame The Victims? n/t

[mondo joe]

43. I didn't blame the victims in the least. Perhaps I did not explain my position clearly.

The students were wrongly prosecuted because who they are served the political interests of a corrupt DA.

It's not their fault - they were convenient targets for him.

I;m responding to people who say "if they were poor and black they'd be in jail now" by pointing out that if they were poor and black Nifong wouldn't have bothered to prosecute them because that would not have served him politically.

[madmusic]

56. Not true.

Either way he would get the female vote.

[LisaL]

60. His opponent in a primary was female. Why would he get a

female vote over her?

[ecstatic]

52. Correct. Was the prosecutor who went after Kobe Bryant disbarred?

Don't get me wrong. If the boys are in fact innocent (the victim is mentally ill so I cannot be sure that she wasn't railroaded in this case), then they do deserve justice. It's just that I am tired of the double standards that come into play, time and time again.

[mondo joe]

54. Bryant's accuser declined to testify, so the charges were dropped.

Whole different thing.

[LisaL]

58. What double standard you are even talking about here?

Bryant certainly isn't poor.
He actually did have sex with the woman, so it would be he said/she said case.
There is no law such cases can not be pursued.

[jberryhill]

64. The issue in the Kobe Bryant case was consent

...not whether or not there was contact at all.

[Fuzz]

10. What sucks is there are a lot of these prosecutors

out there. Thing is, they are not disciplined enough, unless they make the mistake of going after those with money and power the same way they do with those that don't have money and power, which is usually the case.

[hiaasenrocks]

12. The stripper will never face a court for her crimes.

Don't hold your breath.

[pettypace]

20. Don't understand the hyprocrisy on this board

How's a Democratic DA who was fighting for re-election in a Democratic city so greatly vilified for his actions against a (most likely) Republican group of people - the Lacrosse players/families?

Aren't we supposed to be on the side of Democrats when the opposition is conservatives?

[davepc]

21. Only in the Stalinist wing of the Democratic party

If you want to blindly support people soly because they are Democrats at the expense of judging the actions they take, feel free.

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[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

23. HE WAS READY TO FRY THOSE KIDS,

I don't care if their fascist anarchists, that prosecutor would hang an innocent man to get an inch ahead. This is not a partisan issue.

I don't care if he is a democrat, he makes Nancy Grace look like Clarance Darrow.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

24. this is not DEM v. REP...it is

powerhungry narcisist who, in pursuit of continued power, decided to violate the letter and spirit of the law by continuing to press charges against these white wealthy kids in a case that had zero merit from day one.

But you can try to make it DEM v. REP all you want...

sP

[LoZoccolo]

31. Lame. n/t

[Reterr]

48. Isn't that the kind of thing you say every time someone criticizes a Democrat?

:rofl:

[LoZoccolo]

49. No.

Only sometimes when something's lame. Here I am actually the one criticizing the Democrat, and criticizing the person saying I shouldn't criticize the Democrat.

[ecstatic]

51. lol. agreed.

perhaps he forgot the sarcasm tag?

[hiaasenrocks]

35. This has to be a joke.

[blondeatlast]

37. Hell, no. corruption knows no agenda beyond power.

Thanks for playing. :thumbsdown:

[pettypace]

44. let me retract

I fucked up with this post and tried to get it deleted.

From now on I'll avoid racially charged issues.

I apologize.


PS, let me get back on your good side...I did not vote for President George W Bush.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

62. Sure you didn't. *rolls eyes* You haven't learned how to troll yet.

Try again.

Aren't Freepers to abstain from cursing?

[LoZoccolo]

70. I don't think most of us were criticizing you for anything racial. n/t

[jesus_of_suburbia]

61. YOU SEEM LIKE A FREEPER PLANT

Good luck with your stay here.

What a bunch of sh*t.


Try again... 95% of us are for justice.

5% of Republicans are for justice.

[dsc]

22. she has severe mental issues

and because of that won't be charged. It also would go to what she believed which is unknowable.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

25. the problem is...

he witheld exculpatory evidence from the defense and lied about it...for those two things he could easily be charged and, in my opinion, should be. It's not like he was just going on her word. Yes, that may be what started it all, but soon the evidence of their innocence started to pour in, and THAT is when he went wrong.

sP

[dsc]

26. He deserves all he is getting

after all her mental history was also known to him. He should have shut this down.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

28. agreed...I fully agree with going initially on her word

but then, once it started to turn flaky and the evidence was found that these boys were not involved as she said, he should have dropped it like a hot rock...

sP

On edit : I completely misread your initial post. I thought you were saying HE (Nifong) would not be charged because of her mental state...let this be an education to all about posting sans-coffee

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[Dorian Gray]

I am also happy he was disbarred

I think that the families of the accused don't want the law to go after the exotic dancer because there is evidence that she has some emotional problems or a mental disability.

[TankLV]

67. Me too - but that will never make up for what he did to those INNOCENT boys...

or the rest of the WHOLE TEAM, for that matter...

I want to see those professors TERMINATED from their teaching positions, too - what they attempted to insite was inexcusable, too...

[Dorian Gray]

39. I am also happy he was disbarred

I think that the families of the accused don't want the law to go after the exotic dancer because there is evidence that she has some emotional problems or a mental disability.

[Hippo_Tron]

46. I don't see what criminal chrages she should face, I think a civil suit might be in order

[Liberal Veteran]

47. Personally, I think it was a no-win situation.

Nifong should have done the right thing to begin with considering how flimsy the case was and dismissed the charges before they ever got that far.

However, if he had done that, there would have been people criticizing him for not pursuing the case and making allegations that he was covering up for the Lacrosse players.

[LisaL]

53. Yes, those accusations are not harmless.

Had he not pursued the case, I don't think he would have been elected. However, he would be better off, don't you think? Even if he lost his election, he wouldn't have been disbarred.

[ecstatic]

50. She's mentally ill

No, seriously. And mentally ill rape victims typically cannot get fair trials in this country, either.

[mondo joe]

55. Her mental illness has nothing to do with Nifong's misconduct.

Why do you confuse the two?

[ecstatic]

57. Well, the OP did ask about an appropriate punishment for her

And that is what my post was addressing. :-)

[TankLV]

68. She IS a LYING SKANK...

Period.

[gatorboy]

59. How's Nancy Grace holding up?

[TankLV]

65. I've wondered about that too...

She needs to be PUNISHED so she is no longer a threat to society...

This is not the first or second time she's falsly accused someone of rape...

This LYING SCANK needs to see prison time...

[Lex]

69. She's mentally ill and the defense doesn't even want to go after her.

Turns out she has a long history of psychiatric problems and still may be convinced she was raped that night, even though it never happened.

[tammywammy]

71. Nifong deserved what he got

And so does any other DA that acts with complete disregard to their professional ethics.

As for as the woman, I hope she gets help that she needs.