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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:26 AM Original message |
MR. BUSH, Tear down this wall. Open the border with Mexico NOW! |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. Is the only problem racism or can we consider whether this |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. The question is about visiting, not migration. If a European arrives at the border |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
66. Because statistically, visitors from the south are more likely to become illegal residents. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #66 |
83. Bingo... to the tune of millions of people here illegally |
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kurth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. It's racist to resist La Reconquista |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. mi casa, si casa |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. It's mi casa es su casa. My house is your house. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #43 |
65. What's the spanish translation for "I want your house to be their house."? n/t |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. What is the English translation for"Quiero robar dos continentes?" |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
97. In most parts of the U.S. it would be "Conquista"... |
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demoleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. USA is a wonderful mix of cultures... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
68. No, they don't. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
2. What you mean, "now"? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. The immigration bill is being debated NOW and Bush is pushing for a WALL |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I am afraid that the prevailing sentiment here and in Freeperville is |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. People cross the border for different reasons. nt |
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itsrobert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
5. Tens of Thousands cross the border everyday in El Paso |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. They have documentation to preent at the border. Not everyone does. |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. documents |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. They have green cards, worker visas from the USA. |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Denmark is member of Visa-Wavier Program |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
7. DLC, cheap labor hogwash! |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
10. Mexico Constitution |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
13. no thanks |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
14. Can an unskilled worker migrate to Mexico and get a visa? |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. no they can't |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
15. I have a question |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Why not treat Mexicans like we treat Canadians or Europeans? |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Visa Waiver Program |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #15 |
58. You just don't get do you? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 04:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
85. It is the same thing that happened to Byzantium when the Goths crossed the Danube. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
16. $$ 4.4 BILLION U. S. Taxpayer Dollars in the Immigration Bill for Enforcement |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
17. Racism? |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. actually not racism |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #17 |
56. "Mexican" is a race now? n/t |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Perhaps you have noticed, in the US "Mexican" has long been used as a racist |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Oh, I've heard it used as a racial term here lots of times. |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. "illegal invaders" from Europe |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Yes, Spain and others. "...survivors were distributed among the Christians to be slaves." |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. So your problem really isn't with S1348 is it. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Hey, I have no problems at all, none whatsoever, really, absolutely none |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #69 |
91. Color is no barrier |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 04:42 AM Response to Reply #64 |
86. Uh, Mexico IS the pre-columbian heartland. The Aztec country was called (get this) Mexico |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 08:49 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Mexico was home to a multitude of civilizations in prehistoric time, Azteca |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Uh, thanks professor |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
19. to do this, we would have to actively go after employers of illegal immigrants |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. EXACTLY. The people in the United States would have to obey their own laws. Duuuhhh!! |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Lets end Mexican Discrimination |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
98. Yes, maybe if rich Mexicans stopped discriminating against |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
27. The Berlin Wall is hardly analagous. First of all, Germans were separated from Germans. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Bush proposes building more walls, part of the $4.4 BILLION. |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. And? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Okay, we stole the land; I'm far from jingoistic. But today, it's "possession is 9/10 of the law." |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Treaty is the law. The then "leader" of Mexico signed the treaty. Period. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:47 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. I was trying to be accommodating...... |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
28. Because they are brown n/t |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. plain and simple |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. daughters |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. that's my simple racism test |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 09:58 AM Response to Reply #31 |
93. So people with asian, black or hispanics daughters can't be racist? |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #93 |
115. my, my what a rude one you are |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #115 |
121. How oxymoranic of you. Calling someone rude then say what you say. Let's refocus |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
35. TEXT Senate Bill 1348 = MUST READ |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. A thread for those who have read the proposed language |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
37. Look back in history first Germany was divided by Russia |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Treating Mexicans equal to Europeans and Canadians is about obtaining visas |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
40. We should go the easy route....Let Mexico buy America for 576.98 Pasetas/Pesos/Dinars/Yen |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
41. Your Kidding Right? This would be a US Disaster... |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. What we have today is the disaster. Is this legislation a proper solution? |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
46. Before we do that, |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Think about the types of jobs proposed, non-productive jobs. |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. If the government offers jail time and closure to companies who hire |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. By "substandard" wages, do you mean below the minimum wage |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Below prevaling wage as mandated by wage and hour laws. |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
71. At present, I consider minimum wage to be substandard... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #71 |
90. And they send so much money home.... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:24 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. It would help if Bush and the GOP hadn't supported Calderon in the last election |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Imagine a wave of Mexican-Americans abandoning the USA to return south |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. I hope Obrador runs again... |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-17-07 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
47. That would be a corporatist dream. Unlimited cheap labor. (nt) |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
50. Senate Bill 1348: "Secretary shall construct not less than 370 miles of triple layered fencing" |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
57. Sorry, I for open borders |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
63. We had open borders once... |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. Are you sure of the cause-effect relationship? Perhaps the opposite is true |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #63 |
89. Immigration laws in the 20's ignored Latin America. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
67. Question: Does Mexico have open borders? Do they let S. Americans come in freely? |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
82. Hell no. Check the Mexican Government web site |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #82 |
94. They have the same problem we have with ILLEGAL crossings, but they do give visas |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. We do give visas also. The problem is millions of illegals |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #99 |
125. The problem is getting visas from the US. Euros can just walk in. Latins NOT! |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
70. How many people in your opinion should be allowed in this country? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. The OP is about granting visas instead of building walls and arming the border, but |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 07:59 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. If we granted visas and people break the rules of the visas |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. If people enter the country legally with a visa and then overstay, |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. We need visas and passports. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. People need money to live in this country. If they cannot find employment |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Illegal employment is a huge element of the problem. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
74. I don't know, makes sense to me |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
84. WHY do we allow Europeans into the US, but not Mexicans and Latin Americans? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 04:48 AM Response to Original message |
87. How can people support open borders for corporations to hire indentured servants only? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
95. Well said. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Only in Bush's Amerikkka, can $$ BILLIONS be spent on a Virtual Wall. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #95 |
108. Normally there is a lot of support at DU for the US to be more like Europe. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
100. Yay, you win the name calling prize! |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Are you saying there is no racism? |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Your implication was that we are guilty of racism if we don't "Open the border with Mexico NOW!" |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:15 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Why not end this racism? Why not treat Mexicans like we treat Canadians or Europeans? |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #105 |
111. You were talking about the border, not bigots at shopping malls. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Would you maintain that there is no racism? |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. No, I would not. It is everywhere. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. There are no "races" just the Human race. Period. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Your sentiment is admirable but conventional wisdom is that there are different races. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. It is science, not sentiment, and the convention is not wisdom, it is ignorance. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. If the racism is not overt, could it be covert, at least? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. You raise a good issue, is there an ethnic target, overt or covert |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #106 |
114. We were discussing US border enforcement policy |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. I did not make myself clear. |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
101. Do you think it would be a good idea for Mexico to become a failed state? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Do you think it would be a good idea for any country to become a failed state? |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. nevermind |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. How long since you were last there? |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
119. Actually... The US (and Mexico) probably needs it's own Hadrian's Wall |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Wow, a double wall solution. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-21-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. You mention othere problems with a porous border. The north border is porous |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-22-07 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
126. Just got back from a week in Acapulco last Saturday. |
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