Former Reagan Official: Bush Should Be Tried As A War Criminal After Impeachment

[Hissyspit]

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/17/14638/6423

Bush should be tried as a war criminal after impeachment says former Reagan official
by redstatehatemonitor
Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 11:06:37 AM PDT
Prominent Conservative Leader says Government in Hands of Psychopaths

Paul Craig Roberts said that the US government is in the hands of dangerous psychopaths who are a disgrace to the human race and who should be arrested as war criminals and turned over the the Hague.

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Former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal and former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Dr. Paul Craig Roberts expressed his dire warning that the US government has fallen into the hands of Neo-Con psychopaths.

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Roberts went further than he has ever gone before in stating that the Neo-Cons were worse than Hitler and Stalin because they publicly embrace torture and pre-emptive war, something that past despots at least tried to hide.

Dr. Roberts also correctly states that Bush\Cheney are more evil than Hitler\Stalin and that the followers of the NEO-CONS have a mentality that is "like that of the brown shirts that followed Hitler".

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[Initech]

1. Even if we don't impeach, they should still be tried as war criminals.

[Selatius]

2. It would be easier to try them as private citizens when they leave gov't, but...

on the other hand, two years is a long time for a lot of soldiers between now and January 2009. A good number simply don't have that much time left to live.

[Ezlivin]

4. Many believe the death toll for which they are responsible started on 9/11

...with over 3,000 innocent civilians.



There are at least 47 good reasons to openly investigate the events of 9/11...

(For the uninformed, the graphic is of WTC 7 which collapsed after being hit with no aircraft. Too bad it housed the SEC and investigations into WorldCom and Enron had to be abandoned...along with Rudy Guiliani's "Command Bunker".)

[librechik]

44. no it won't nobody will want to dig into that mess if they're gone

just look at what happened about Iran Contra.

Dems come along and NOTHING.

[chaska]

3. pic below

[ellisonz]

23. Mark Bryan wins.

[getmeouttahere]

40. Everywhere there's lots of piggies...

living piggy lives,
you can see them out for dinner with their piggy wives,
clutching forks & knives,
to eat the bacon!

[Alexia Wheaton]

5. It won't happen, but it should.

It should have happened to Johnson too for what he did in Vietnam. Of course, Nixon should have joined him too.

[algreen90]

6. Paul Craig Roberts has a lot of great articles....

...here are a few more.



http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02062006.html



http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts06182007.html



http://www.vdare.com/roberts/070611_threat.htm

[indepat]

7. Have often futilely queried "how does the invasion and occupation of Iraq differ

materially from the German, Japanese, and Italian invasions of the 1930s and why do Justice Jackson's pronouncements at Nuremberg as to what constitutes war crimes not apply here?" Looks like I've been overly generous in assessing neocon evil in comparison to Dr. Roberts.

Edited: context

[Disturbed]

8. Congress needs to start somewhere.

It is stunning that they ignored the War Crimes of Rumsfeld.

Rumsfeld Shouldn't be Fired, He Should be Indicted
by Matthew Rothschild

“Secretary Rumsfeld has publicly admitted that . . . he ordered an Iraqi national held in Camp Cropper, a high security detention center in Iraq, to be kept off the prison’s rolls and not presented to the International Committee of the Red Cross,” the report noted. The Geneva Conventions require countries to grant the Red Cross access to all detainees. “

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0418-24.htm




Further Evidence Rumsfeld Implicated in War Crimes
Please read this important post by Marty Lederman, Army Confirms: Rumsfeld Authorized Criminal Conduct.

Here's a key section, but there's more:
The Army's charges against Jordan reflect the view, undoubtedly correct, that the use of forced nudity or intimidation with dogs against detainees subject to military control constitutes cruelty and maltreatment that Article 93 makes criminal. It doesn't matter whether they are or are not "torture," as such; nor does it matter whether the armed forces should be permitted to use such interrogation techniques: As things currently stand, they are unlawful, as even the Army now acknowledges.

But then how can we account for the actions of the Secretary of Defense and his close aides?

On November 27, 2002, Pentagon General Counsel William Haynes, following discussions with Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz, General Myers, and Doug Feith, informed the Secretary of Defense that forced nudity and the use of the fear of dogs to induce stress were lawful techniques, and he recommended that they be approved for use at Guantanamo.

(The lists of techniques to which Haynes was referring can be found in this memorandum.) On December 2, 2002, Secretary Rumsfeld approved those techniques for use at Guantanamo -- and subsequently those techniques were used on detainee Mohammed al-Qahtani.

In other words, the Secretary of Defense authorized criminal conduct.

...

Today's Army charge under UCMJ Article 93 against Lt. Col. Jordan -- for conduct that the SecDef actually authorized as to some detainees -- demonstrates that Rumsfeld approved of, and encouraged, violations of the criminal law.

http://www.discourse.net/archives/2006/04/further_evidence_rumsfeld_implicated_in_war_crimes.html

[yardwork]

9. They must not have shared any of the money with him.

[AntiFascist]

10. He sounds downright 'librul'....

how many more former government officials, respected business leaders, intelligence officers, decorated military leaders, conservative Republicans, etc, etc have to make STRONG statements against this administration before anything gets done?

[WinkyDink]

11. Join the club, Mr. Roberts. Join the club.

[Gregorian]

12. Impeach Gonzales, then Cheney, then Bush.

♦♫

[HooptieWagon]

13. I've come to realize

that impeachment just ain't gonna happen... too many DLCers (Lieberman, Hillary) will block it. I think the best strategy now is to make sure that we elect a no-war, no-corporatist President in '08 who's willing to turn the Bush Administration over to the Hague for war crimes...

[whistle]

14. Someone please get Paul Craig Roberts to sign onto the impeachment bill

...of the fear-filled five and all of their underlings

[alfredo]

15. K&R

[bonito]

16. Thirty four votes and counting

About time.

[Demeter]

38. Where? Where? Who? What?

don't leave us hanging with such a cryptic post!

[Decruiter]

17. Mr. Roberts has our respect. Another patriot stands up, yet this man has been

standing up for quite some time.

[USMC_Liberal]

18. I think a reason to support Hillary...........

is because she'll be tough enough to hand Bush and Cheney over to criminal prosecutors.

Walt

[ima_sinnic]

21. oh, yeah, right, like that's really going to happen under HRC

--the DLC and corporatists do NOT rock the boat with war crimes issues--besides the fact that HRC has NOT taken a strong, courageous stand on ANYTHING--so why would she start after becoming president? instead, we could expect a complete sweeping under the rug "for the good of the nation," as her husband did with the Iran-Contra TRAITOROUS SCUMBAGS who have come back like ghouls from the grave to perpetrate yet more crimes against humanity with impunity.

[Larry Ogg]

28. USMC-Liberal, WTF you use liberal in your screen name and some-how think there is a good reason for

supporting Hillary?

For what it’s worth Hillary is a conservative; Dennis Kucinich is a liberal… B I G difference…
It would be a victory for the neo-cons If HRC or any other conservative wins the general election… All neo-con Nazi’s will walk scot-free and will remain the very worst and most powerful and terrifying influence throughout the world, and no conservative will stand in their way or bring them down. They will not stand in there way now; they will not stand in there way ever...

[kenfrequed]

29. Nope

She is the DLC candidate of choice and the DLC represents everything that has gone wrong with the Democratic party.

They have long been accomodationist to the uncompromising right wing of the republican party. They are pro-free trade, whether or not it negatively impacts the rights of workers abroad or the environment.

Let us stop fooling ourselves and stop listening to advice from corporations that are only doing so because they are aware that the republican party is going down.

[disndat]

33. You're kidding, right?

H.C. is a captive of the big corporations, esp. pharmaceuticals, as well as the conservative wing of the Democratic Party, the DLC.

[VanPelt4IndSenate]

19. How freaking true

sad...sad...sad

[malaise]

20. K & R

To the Hague.

[colorado_ufo]

22. Honest and brave comments!

[KharmaTrain]

24. Let's Pull Out The Roots...Something We Missed During Watergate

There's a regime full of criminality and criminals that need to be held accountable. While it is important that the princpals are prosecuted for their crimes, there is a serious need to clean house and get to all the criminals...the low level ones...that were this regime's worker ants and foot soldiers...and the seeds of their "resurgence".

Naevily, I never thought I'd see a regime as bad as Nixons...boy was I proven wrong...as some of the worst perpetrators today cut their teeth in the Nixon machine but never were held accountable as all eyes were focused on taking down Big Dick. This time we can't allow that to happen. We're just starting to learn how politicized and corrupt our government has become...someone's responsible and this "I can't recall" bullshit needs to end. It requires criminal investigations and prosecutions and a determination to see these investigations through to the end...no matter how long it takes.

The goal is to make the work "Neo-Con" one of the most poisonous in the American lexicon.

[Roland99]

25. You have many of the same players still involved! They thought they could get it "right" this time

:banghead:

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

31. What you said! If they're not held accountable THIS time, they'll be back.

And, they'll do even worse damage. Why allow greedy sadists back into seats of power ever EVER again? This shit must end now!!!

[Arugula Latte]

42. Ya gotta get the tap root or else the dandelion comes back again and again ... nt

[lutefisk]

43. Yeah, but they've thoroughly "seeded" the federal government

Not to mix too many metaphors, but I fear that this really is a cancer that has gone too far. From the first weeks the Bush Regime took power, the purges followed by placements of young loyalists has gone on at a furious pace.

Remember that it's been nearly 40 years since Cheney was a young man in the Nixon WH. There are literally thousands of little Cheney's burrowed in throughout the federal government. What will they do to this country over the next 40 years? I think it might be time for an escape plan.

[KharmaTrain]

45. Point Very Noted On This End...

And I hope it's also noted by Congressmen Conyers and Waxman...the point men in where this investigation goes and what it will lead to.

No doubt whichever Democrat next inhabits the executive will need to do a wholescale disinfecting and cleaning of AEI, Heritage Institute and Lobbyist bots as well as the "true believers" (many who I suspect will make their own hasty exits...steeling away while they can). The Judiciary will be the residual that will take years to cleanse.

If anything we may need some sort of "Truth and Reconsiliation" commission set up down the road that not only gets to the causes of what happened, but to be a springboard to root violators out of the public sector and set up future safegaurds to prevent future abuses. Or at least a guy can dream...

Cheers...

[lonestarnot]

26. That would be the bushitler, yes. Serial killers are like that, yeah... they are.

[MannyGoldstein]

27. Don't Worry! The Battlin' Congressional Dems Are On Top Of This!!!

They will continue to press for impeachment and removal, as they've been doing!

[Gloria]

30. ......all the while keeping their powder dry!!

[Blackhatjack]

32. When Italy sought extradiction of CIA agents who kidnapped an Imam and rendered him for torture...

There were questions raised by members of that government, 'our ally' in the so-called 'war on terror', about not just the legality of the extraordinary rendition carried out on foreign soil by US Agents acting under color of law, but what about the legality of the reverse --suppose Italian Agents acting under color of law 'kidnapped' Bush or Cheney or Rice in the United States and flew them to the Hague for trial on war crimes?

Right now there are arrest orders and pending extradiction requests from Italy for the CIA agents who engaged in that operation. If the US does not honor that request then it is tantamount to the US ratifying a clear violation of international law and breach of the sovereign territory of Italy without permission(which BTW is considered a valid basis military retaliation by most countries who make up the Security Council at the UN).

When viewed in that light you begin to understand the illegality of actions taken by this Administration and how the rest of the world views the US today.

[cascadiance]

34. This is the only way to restore some degree of respect others used to have for this country...

... in our lifetimes!

Anything else will be seen as our country accepting, aiding, and abetting a criminal who's screwed up the world community countless time and will keep us as a rogue state for generations!

[LiberalFighter]

35. Remo the Destroyer... where are you when we need you

I don't think Dr Smith and Remo would had accepted any orders by Bush. They would had considered Bush and Co to be terrorists and responded appropriately.

[madrchsod]

36. these guys are worse than hitler or stalin?

hitler and stalin "ordered" the killing at least 35 million of their own citizens. the last time i looked bush and the neo-cons have`t forced millions of americans to their deaths...

to compare these guys to hitler,stalin,or mao is an insult to all those who died and all those who died to stop these guys.

[ejbr]

37. It is not the numbers or the victims that make him worse,

although they can be categorized and compared, but it is his declarations that torturing and killing innocent people is the right thing to do, while Hitler and Stalin were not, nor could not be, so bold. (although it soon became obvious, they did not initially praise themselves publicly for these vile acts)

Yes, Hitler and Stalin killed more people, but Bush still has a little over a year left with his propogandist media.

[madrchsod]

49. i missed that ,thanks for pointing that out

[ejbr]

50. You're very welcome. And I agree with you...

that at face value, Bush has not reached the disgusting level of abuse of Stalin or Hitler. Cheers/

[Arugula Latte]

41. I agree with you madrchsod

Far be it from me to defend these Bushco criminals, but I think comparing them to Stalin and Hitler undermines Roberts' otherwise strong case. It's too bad he said that.

[The Wizard]

39. Either we the people

exact justice from this criminal cabal or the world will exact justice on us. In the end, we are accountable for allowing these bastards the freedom to destroy everything upon which this nation is/was founded. When there was a corrupt election in the Ukraine hundres of thousands marched in the streets until there was a correction. We are all sheep for accepting fascism without a real fist fight.

[BrainGlutton]

46. Could we please get a link?

I mean, to wherever the editorial was ORIGINALLY published.

[Norquist Nemesis]

47. Yeah, I look forward to Rep. Lamar Smith inviting him to a panel discussion

to present his views and answer questions. :sarcasm:

[Mark Twain Girl]

48. Well, who would know better than a former Reagan official?

Paul Craig Roberts said that the US government is in the hands of dangerous psychopaths who are a disgrace to the human race and who should be arrested as war criminals and turned over the the Hague.

Word.