Those interested in "CIA Revealing the Jewels" story check out Matthews tonight!

[KoKo]

Three CIA AGENTS...talking about this...THEN he has Bobby Kennedy to talk about Global Warming against that RW Melanie Morgan ...but at the end of the Global Warming Segment he asks Bobby about THIS..

DID YOUR FATHER TRY TO KILL CASTRO..."Kissinger says he did!"

Here's some background info on WHY Chrissy had Bobby Kennedy on ...it wasn't about Global Warming ...it was about THIS...from the Washington Post today about the coming CIA Revelations that most DU'ers read about here today ....but this jumped out of the WaPo article:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1161493

[ShortnFiery]

1. Tweety is the "go to" guy journalist of the Political Ruling Class in D.C. n/t

[KoKo]

4. Yeah....but check out his show and the link to what this is about...

Tweety get's his marching orders...but this one's kind of hard to figure out. CIA Black Ops? Leak the "Family Jewels" report ahead of time...with all kind of stuff that RW Conservatives have never heard about and mention Bobby Kennedy...and have CIA Director Michael Haydon be responsible and include Kissinger...

Well. you've got a mixed soup as to WHAT PURPOSE this serves. It's hard to know....

[ShortnFiery]

11. If you believe that, in the end, Tweety's loyalties are to the Politcos of the Ruling Class

you will not ever be disappointed. Sure he "comes home" to reality once and a while but that's for show and cover.

Tweety's a fully compromised journalist who rubs elbows with all the right Corporate Representatives and their staffs in Congress. His *true loyalties* are not ever questioned by these greedy people. :puke: :thumbsdown:

[Stinky The Clown]

2. Actually, the RW shrew was Melanie Morgan, not Monica Crowley

Morgan is FAAAAAAAAR worse.

The CIA bit was a good one. I admire that Drumheller guy, but MAN is there a more unlikely looking spy than he? Which probably explains why he was a good spy.

[KoKo]

6. Thanks! I just edited...I thought it was Monica who had "aged"

:D and I don't know this Melanie but have read that DU'ers say she's a RW Spouter.

THANKS!

[Straight Shooter]

3. Kissinger says. Oh, there's a reliable source for the truth.

:eyes:

[H2O Man]

5. It was good

of Mr. Matthews to give Robert an opportunity to address this issue. It is something that Robert clearly wanted to address, and I thought he handled the question very well.

I would suggest that this release of Agency history is part good/part bad. I do not think it is being done for the right reasons. The timing is curious. As the old saying goes, not every man who throws worms into the water is a friend of the fish.

[KoKo]

8. Yes...there something very "odd" about this release...I can see

it as Black Ops...Backhand Blowback...or disinfo.

There's a debate in our household about this. Some threads to pull there...and did you hear Chris do a disparaging remark about Bobby Kennedy buried in the later segment.

I don't know who Tweety works for these days...but I think it's "many sides." Just my radar about this...which could be nothing.

[H2O Man]

9. Well

I think it's worth looking at what he used to do, in the days before he worked for Tip. It might explain some of the conflict between Cheney, Libby, and Wolfowitz and Mr. Matthews in the summer of 2003.

[KoKo]

15. Interesting....Peace Corp., Goldwater....then Tip.... or is it Goldwater before Peace Corps

or ...he "Caught a Rising Star" and has used those "credentials" to push himself forward as something he's not. :shrug:

[H2O Man]

16. The history

of the Peace Corps in Africa is worthy of further consideration.

[terisan]

7. Why are the CIA records being released now ? and do they include info on Bush the Elder?

I believe that Clinton could have ordered more records released but backed off on it. Why are Bush and Cheney not blocking the release?

[Stinky The Clown]

10. The only thing we'll hear about poopiepoppybush is 'broccoli' and ....

.... 'Japanese Rules Projectile Vomiting"

[KoKo]

12. I wondered, at first, if it's because Congress/Senate going after NSA Spying...that might reveal

some really dirty stuff. So, the best way to "get ahead of that" is to "reveal other dirty stuff." But, then Matthews threw in that he thought he "CIA is at War with itself." Then throw in that Michael Hayden (CIA Director) who allowed the "release" replaced that corrupted Porter Goss and that Senate overwhelmingly confirmed him...(Dems,too) when lots of stuff was coming out about CIA then you have the books and Libby Trial and Valerie Plame all connected to CIA.

It's a muddled soup. The TIMING...though is the thing to focus on. To WHOSE advantage is this long overdue leaked report?

I can see advantages to all sides...but wonder about the Americans who aren't as savvy as those of us here who know the history (us oldies ) being VERY UPSET at this report. They've heard "rumors" on the Left about the Dirty Stuff we've done....but this report will confirm that. It's gotta get many Repugs who are already angry with Bush "wondering." All but his hardest RW Fundie Core would have to question this. But, then, there are two generations now who don't even know who Kissinger,two Kennedys, Helms, Colby, and attempted Assassination and overthrow of other country's leaders were all about. And, they may not give a damn.

:shrug:

[H2O Man]

13. You are

absolutely correct. The timing is curious. I will be interested in Friend Octafish's opinion of this.

[antigop]

14. I agree -- the timing is suspicious

That was the first question asked when our household read the newspaper this morning.

Why now? And for what reason?

[KoKo]

17. The Rewatch of Tweety......is even more interesting in my first view...CIA Stuff

Tweety just says "I'm not an Operative" .....:eyes: Fascinating....three CIA Guys that Tweety seems to KNOW ABOUT....I guess Tweety reads alot...

[H2O Man]

18. 5-16-04

Commencement Address
Christopher Matthews

May 16, 2004

....

"... When I came back from the Peace Corps in Africa thirty-three years ago, I knocked on 200 doors on Capitol Hill, looking for some Senator or Member of Congress who was ready to hire me.

One guy was a U.S. Congressman. He showed me the pen LBJ had used to sign the Peace Corps bill--it was mounted right there on his office wall. He was about to hire me, even promised me a job. Unfortunately for both of us, he was on his way to federal prison. Some guy had planted a body in his basement.

Nice fellow, though I always thought he did me a favor by not putting me on his payroll. It wouldn't have been a good way to start a career.

I kept looking. Got an interview with a fairly hardnosed senator from rural Texas. He didn't like my "hair style" - it was too long, this was the '60s - or my voice - too fast. Or where I'd been, for that matter. He said, 'The people from home who visit the office might get the idea you'd become idealist over there in Africa' ....."



more at:


http://www.hws.edu/news/speakers/transcripts/matthewscomm2004.asp

[KoKo]

21. That's One Fascinating Read....and here is a "snip" that struck me....

(as one grows older...it's interesting to see the "snips" of our lives as we try to piece together what we have lived and justify where we did good and where we compromised our values. A couple of things stood out to me in Chris's cynical speech...(btw...there were a few gems of hope), but a couple of things stood out...to me that I had a problem with ...idealistically..not saying that what he said is WRONG...but that some might differ in approach)
--------------------------------------------


FROM MATTHEWS..end of speech

I promised five bits of advice. I've given you three: get in the game you want to get in; don't be afraid to ask for help; follow your dream.

Here are the last two.

Hang on to your ideals. Most of all, the ideal you have of yourself. I don't have to tell you, warn you, that you will meet people out there - you've met them already - who aren't honest, who don't deal in truth. They will lie and cheat to get what they want. Their only code is what will get them what they want.

How can they live with themselves, you'll ask. Don't they know they're giving away the one thing that matters from the start - that will always matter - their integrity? Don't they know that is who they are?

The hardest things in life, you'll soon learn, are the small things. The big decisions are the easy ones. It's the day- to-day trouble of having to choose between confronting the petty corruption around you or letting things slide, going with the flow. That's the tough stuff. And how you decide will show whether you have the right stuff.

Finally: this is a competitive world. You're going to face rivals out there, somebody who wants pretty much what you want. You've got to learn how to compete - passionately - without making it personal.

That's one of the good things I learned from the best of the politicians. And I'm not talking about the most famous ones.

I recall watching a heated debate on the house floor, then watching a Congressman cross the aisle that separates the two parties, walk over to the man he'd just been debating, both with red faces, and say, "What are you doing this weekend?" And then as he was leaving, "Say hello to your wife for me."

That's how you have to do it. It makes you feel better about your rival. It makes you feel much better about yourself.

Besides, as my hero Winston Churchill liked to say, "I like a man who grins when he fights."

So today is your day. But don't worry. There will be time to dream, to think, to try, to fail, to learn, to carry on, and then to dream some more. You leave one of the nation's finest liberal arts colleges - Hobart and William Smith - with two gems for which men and women have long to America:

A rebellious spirit that keeps government in check and people free;

An only-in-America attitude that anything is possible.

They are this country's crown jewels and today, through the grace of God, hard work and hope, they are yours.

[Gabi Hayes]

23. from your link, I would have highlighted this sentence, as it's NEVER far from my thoughts

as I cause permanent psychological damage to myself by subjecting myself daily to vermin like Matthews:

"How can they live with themselves, you'll ask"

How do you not have a beard, Chris, or do you have your wife
(or a barber, who douses you with Aqua Velva) shave yourself each morning?

[KoKo]

25. I know...reading that speech ...I wondered also.

a justification for "selling out?" "Aqua Velva, English Leather and a hit of cigar."

[KoKo]

28. ...

[KoKo]

19. The "Skeletons Keep Walking Out of the Closet!" yep...they keep walking

and Rober Baer says so many files on Kennedy Assassination are missing...we may never know...but as was said..the Skeletons keep walking out of the Closet."

[Gabi Hayes]

20. he also said the CIA had nothing to do with the assassination. sure.

just ask Richard Helms, the guy you mentioned in the other thread (who claimed, along with Kissinger, that RFK knew about the Castro plots) who PLED GUILTY to perjury, and LIED his ass off about many aspects of the Kennedy assassination

too bad tweety didn't ask RFK about Talbot's book. have you seen this?

http://www.salon.com/books/authors/talbot/about/blog.html

I have a Chris Matthews problem. I want to like the guy, and in fact, in person I do. Years ago, I met Chris at the San Francisco Examiner, where he broke into journalism after serving as a congressional aide for Tip O'Neill. He was the Washington columnist for the Examiner, where I worked as the editor of the Sunday magazine, and I occasionally assigned him political features. Chris is an utterly charming guy to hang out with, a voluble and genial political junkie, in that Irish-American way, who can babble away forever on the ins and outs of the great electoral game. The problem with Chris, I found out, is that when you try to edit this babble, you quickly discover there is not much there, except for the fleeting Beltway wisdom of the moment. I discovered you don't go to Chris for deep thoughts -- he's a skitter-across-the surface, ADD kind of guy, with a knack for channeling the insta-commentary of the bars on Capitol Hill.

This sort of Washington chatter is fine when it comes to jawing about polls and campaign personalities and other ephemera. But when it comes to the major issues of our day, Beltway pundits like Matthews -- and the guests he stocks his show with -- have been consistently wrong, again and again and again.

When lynching Bill Clinton for a consensual sex act was all the rage in Beltway circles, Chris was among those baying the loudest for his blood. When Iraq seemed like a cakewalk, Matthews got all weak in the knees over Bush in his flight suit. (Of course, when the war didn't look like such a slam dunk, he shifted with the political winds.)

Matthews revealed more of his bone-headed Beltway-think on Sunday, when he devoted a segment of his CNBC talk show to the book by his "friend David Talbot." (Note to Chris: "friends" don't blackjack friends on national television without giving their pals a chance to respond.) Turning to his panel -- which included the inevitable Howard Fineman and Gloria Borger -- Matthews puzzled aloud how any journalist in his right mind could question the Warren Report. He suggested that I just couldn't accept the fact that "a loser like Oswald can kill a Kennedy." This prompted equally inane musings from Fineman about how assassination is the "price we pay for living in the chaos of democracy." And Borger offered something about the American need to believe in "grand conspiracies" rather than accepting the fact that JFK was "felled by a confederacy of dunces." Whatever that meant. But the most idiotic remark was offered up by another of my "friends" (in the way that word is loosely used in Washington) -- Andrew Sullivan. He revealed that he was only 3 months old when JFK was killed, and his generation just doesn't really give a damn about the assassination.

[WinkyDink]

22. Tweety seems to think the CIA: 1.) was the worst under JFK; and 2.) didn't

kill Allende!

O.M.G.

BTW: Can these men NOT know what "the family jewels" means??

[Gabi Hayes]

24. how much you think we'll hear about Operation Condor in the M$M?

http://www.consortiumnews.com/1999/100599b.html

[DemReadingDU]

26. morning kick

good background info here

[H2O Man]

27. Yep.

This is a good thread.

[KoKo]

29. CNN Saturday at their 6/07 Report just reported that Bobby Kennedy tried to Assassinate Castro

and said that CIA's policy is to let it all out there.....

I guess we will be in for an interesting week of M$M going after Kennedy's and trying to "minimize" what the Bushies have done!

Instead of "CLINTON DID IT, TOO!" it will be "KENNEDY DID IT TOO!"

Masterful Disinfo from the Bush/Cheney Crime Family who operates like the MAFIA did in the height of their POWER! Actually...I wouldn't be surprised if the Bushies and Mafia weren't ALWAYS one in the same ...just playing off one another for drug running and pirating of software and illegal immigration and selling secrets and arms for profit."

Mafia and Bush...joined at the hip until they "morphed into ONE!" It's what we are dealing with in this age of "Pregnant Woman Missing" TOP STORY along with Brittany and Paris.

They are incredibly clever. I hope no Dems are emulating them...thinking when THEY REAGAIN POWER it will be BUSINESS AS USUAL!

HAVEN'T WE ALL HAD ENOUGH! ...of CRIME FAMILIES?

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

30. Yeah,...like Robert was smooching with the CIA and Bush Sr wasn't, MY ASSSS!!!!

OMG!!! SUCH OBVIOUS "CREATING REALITY" CRAP!!!

Just, leave me alone. I am sick of the EMPOURERS deconstructing reality!!!