Think the worst thoughts of which you're capable. How Bad Will the Roberts Court Be?

[Stinky The Clown]

I can not even imagine where this court will take us. I don't particularly fear for any one thing. I actually *still* think Roe will stand. But its the smaller, more complicated, less easily sound bite-ed decisions that will come back to bite us VERY hard on our national ass.

I'm not even particularly concerned about anything now on ours or the court's radar. My concern is five or ten or twenty years hence, when young men like Alito and Roberts are old, curmudgeonly, and sexually impotent. Just how bad will be their decisions then and just how tragic will be the sum of all their decisions to then?

All the Democratic Congresses and Presidencies cannot fight what this court can inflict on our nation.

You know who to 'thank' for this pox.

[kenny blankenship]

1. So bad the next Democratic President and Senate will be forced to pack the court

[More Than A Feeling]

2. When I read Matthew Krell's analysis of just what the Court has actually done...

it made me furious. Our poor Constitution is being defaced by those scoundrels. According to the Supreme Court, "if the president does it, that means it is not illegal" is now the law of the land, and that will live on as long as Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts, and Kennedy are all on the court. Bush might as well have nominated graffiti artists, two-year-olds with crayons, or the ghost of Richard Nixon. It'd have had the same effect.

[Clark2008]

8. Two-year-olds with crayons would have been more honest...

...and probably know more about the Constitution.

[Justpat]

3. I don't think Roe v. Wade will survive the end of the boy king's term.

It has been their agenda all along to overturn it.

This court is scaring the shit out of me. Limiting free speech, returning women to the dark ages
and using taxpayer money to support religious ogranizations - this is a theocracy in action.

[jojo54]

6. From one old broad to another, I agree.

But I have to add this: I think that Georgie and this SCOTUS are trying to divide this country into 2 classes; 5% rich & powerful, and the rest of us living in the streets & abandoned buildings, wearing rags for clothes, scrounging for food everywhere, our babies dying from disease.....

Where is Mighty Mouse when we need him????

[Clark2008]

9. ..

http://home.comcast.net/~freshlaundry/FLASH/

[Johonny]

15. 5 %

Is too high.

[Chulanowa]

32. Incorrect

Republicans do not want to end abortion.
Just like they don't want to fix immigration
Just like they don't want to treat terrorism like a crime rather than an act of war.

Republicans and their Dem sellout friends have held power in this country for going on thirty years. They have made no effective inroads to closing off these issues. They're far too profitable to the Republicans to risk. Instread they will complicate things and make false gestures - a 400 mile chain link fence here, a parental notification law there. But they will not ever, ever resolve their "big issues". Too many on the right vote republican solely because of these issues, to lose them.

[Toots]

4. We know what the Federalist Society wants so what is to guess about

If you think Bush* has fucked America you ain't seen nothing yet. They will be with us for quite some time also. Remember Alito and Roberts are both young and will still be on the court when your grandchildren have children.

[Cosmocat]

11. It ain't about Roe ...

Not one iota ... And, they will not overturn it ... Roe is simply TOO important to republican party ... They reverse it, they lose the fire that drives half of their mindless sheep into the voting booths ...

Getting two ROCK solid, YOUNG, ideologues into the court was one of the prime objectives of the Bushco scam ... All the never ending crape about "activist judges" as code for overturning Roe for their idiot base, which of course the MSM carried water for was just pretense ...

This was about creating imperial presidencies and corporate facism ... THAT is what Roberts and Alito were about ...

[mmonk]

5. I really don't have to think very hard.

[CrispyQ]

7. My husband & I spoke of this last night.

We see a very grim future for this country. I think yesterday's rulings will have an accelerating effect on our decline. I haven't felt this sick since 12/12/00.

[rucky]

10. Unitary Executive. Corporate personhood. n/t

[Solly Mack]

12. The next sane President can do what FDR tried in '37

Otherwise, brace yourself.

Desperate times, desperate measures and all that

[blondeatlast]

19. The next President had better have guts made of iron--he'll have to do it

but he will be absolutely reamed in the MSM for doing so, but it's absolutely the ONLY thing that can save our democracy.

Gad. :scared:

[ThomWV]

13. The Worst? Easy! It Will be "Long Lived"

That's what scares me the most - it will last for the next 40 years. Who in hell knows what will come up in that time, but it sure won't be good.

[disndat]

14. The Bush team

must be laughing in triumph. DUers can call them all the names we can think of, they've won their number one goal, not to mention the taxpayers money, for decades to come. This is the angry white males' counter revolution to Civil Rights, women's rights, and all the hard fought rights in the last 50 years.

[blondeatlast]

21. Your last sentence sums it up. Gad, I fear for my son.

If I'd had any idea that things would become what they are now, I would not have had a child.

:cry:

[blm]

16. Dem powerstructure rolled over in 2002, 2004, and on Alito and Iraq withdrawal

in 2006 because they had their sights set on 2008.

Gee - just because Alito was the fascist seal BushInc needed was no reason to stop him - no, better keep the powder dry for 2008 and the undermining of REAL Democrats.

[Solly Mack]

18. I love you

I really mean that

[blm]

25. Coming from a LONGTIME PATRIOT-CITIZEN Democrat like you means alot.

Humbly accepted by one who hasn't even come CLOSE to the level of activism against BushInc that YOU have displayed your entire life.

[blondeatlast]

17. I'm concerned with the Constitutional amendments that "get in the way."

It's easier to chip away at the C enough that eventually it collapses without a push.

Roe will stand--although we'll have decisions that nibble at it, it's simply too convenient a tool for the RRRepublican Party for it to go away completely.

[Stinky The Clown]

20. Chip, chip chip .....

... then death by a thousand cuts. All overseen by two quiet, retiring, arch conservatives. All photogenic and kindly and American looking. No growling, snarling, Delay types ..... just ..... Alito ...... and Roberts.

[blondeatlast]

22. The next prez will have to have guts of iron and a Bushlike unconcern for public opinion.

Seriously--s/he will have to try to pack the court and I can see the spin now: As the prez tries to right some of the SCOTUS wrongs, the RRRwong will attack him/her for messing with the SCOTUS and "their" version of the Constitution.

Fuck. I'm no longer light on the issue; I fear for my 10 year old son.

Crap.

[blondeatlast]

23. Watch as we get Roberts VOLUNTARILY in front of the cameras, too.

Shredding the Constitution but smiling that beatific, deadly smile all the while...

[Stinky The Clown]

27. You pegged 'ol Justice John ......

He's Stepfordian in his demeanor and his whole family seems to be one of plastic. I know we're not supposed to go after families, but he trotted them out and they came across as pure, high petroleum plastic.

He and his court are, as you say, THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE for the mid to long term.

[blondeatlast]

24. Kick for more discussion. SCOTUS is THE issue for me. nt

[blondeatlast]

26. Kick with a sigh--this is the biggest danger out there, gang. nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

28. It's going to be rough, before it gets better.

But we can beat them. We can undue everything they've done.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1185286&mesg_id=1185286

[Stinky The Clown]

30. I agree with your general posit in a general way.

I am concerned, however, in that your posit (bad decisions will be overturned or ignored) takes a very long time. I'm not even looking for instant gratification here (well, I am ... but you know what I mean), but my concern is that the time it will take until the court again turns a bit more liberal is measured in lifetimes, not months or years or even presidential terms.

I see only two ways out of this:

1) Impeach at least one Supreme (not very likely)

2) Pack the court (more likely, based, if nothing else, on the increase in our population).

[The Backlash Cometh]

31. And (3)

Let their decisions run their course and end conservative oppression for many generations, because a backlash will occur once Republicans realize that the conservative courts are all about creating police states.

[Olney Blue]

29. I want another woman on the court.

[Stinky The Clown]

34. **AT LEAST** one more ... two would be better than one.

As I said in my OP, my current sense of things is that Roe will stand. Putting a woman or two on the court, in addition to getting the benefit of a woman's sensibilities, might help to ensure Roe stays as law.

That said .... there are woman jurists and there are right-wing-wacko women jurists. I'll give the nod to the non right-wing-wacko women jurists.

[Olney Blue]

35. Of course.... I'm looking for another Ruth Bader Ginsberg!

[glitch]

33. Rubber stamp the dismantling of our Democracy and "legitimize" a totalitarian fascist state

with all that a totalitarian fascist state entails. See or read The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood.