ROFLMAO! Look at them squirm over *'s new taxes on health insurance

[Maine-ah]

I think this was my favorite:

To: freedomdefender
OK Bush Bots are finally getting it that this guy is not the conservative we voted for in 2004 and 2000. What a disappointment is all I can say. The guy is a freaking liberal.



9 posted on 01/22/2007 9:40:41 PM PST by Sprite518
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

OMG, these people are insane...BTW, excuse me now while I go take a shower..eeewww...

[formercia]

1. It's ok to tax poor people according to Glorious and Fearless Leader

Rich people don't need health insurance, they pay out of pocket and get the best treatment and the quickest care, whilst we working stiffs have to settle for 'managed care'(spend the least to keep you alive), so now they can tax us for third-rate care.

[Warpy]

4. If rich people have to go into the hospital for an emergency

they get the same shitty care we peasants do, thanks to decades of cutting costs on the backs of nurses. Hospitals are dangerously short staffed with nurses working massive amounts of overtime at the hospital's convenience because they're too cheap to hire adequate staff. Rich people get the same amount of slow response from overworked and exhausted staff we all do.

That's why health care is back on the table in both parties. The wealthy know the system is broken. They're just too clueless to know why.

[RaleighNCDUer]

14. OTOH, the rich only go to ER in genuine emergencies.

With the healthcare options they have, preventable problems can be headed off before they have to go to ER.

Case in point - I had been feeling odd twinges and such in my abdomen for weeks, maybe months, off and on. One day it suddenly got bad, and three hours later I was in the ER with appendicitis. If I could really afford healthcare, as the wealthy might, I might have gone to the doctor the first time I felt the twinges and had more pro-active treatment, and prevented an appendectomy. Also, a rich person would have called, and seen, his doctor and the doctor would have arranged treatment in probably less time than the 11 hours it took me from walking thru the door to going into the operating room.

Nobody uses the ER except in times of crisis, but the rich are far more capable of fending off crisis, of getting pro-active care that avoids something coming to crisis, so while they may have the same experience at a particular time, it simply happens less often than for us mere mortals.

[Warpy]

16. Nothing can prevent appendicitis

and a rich man would have done exactly what you did, although his concierge physician might have given him laxatives to make it worse and increase the chance of perforation. Trust me, though, he'd have had to wait as long as you did to go into the OR.

I had pain for years before mine finally went.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. Thanks, I didn't know that.

I figured that as it is an infection it might be prevented with antibiotics and anti-inflamatories if it was still in the early stages of infection - but I'm no doctor and will certainly defer to your experience.

It seems strange that with all our knowledge and expertise, there are still ailments that cannot be treated. Of course, in another couple hundred years doctors will look back at the 20th century and, like McCoy, say we were treated by witchdoctors.

[Warpy]

20. The treatment before the invention of anesthesia

was to let it rupture. The pain reaches a crescendo and then lessens. If the patient's immune system was strong enough to fight off the peritonitis that resulted, s/he lived. Most didn't.

Of course, they had OTC morphine compounds.

[AndyA]

2. It's a tax increase. No matter how you slice it. And the GOP warned us the Dems would

raise taxes. Now, suddenly, they pull this one out of their butts.

Somebody get a shovel, let's bury the GOP, salt the Earth, and then go about repairing all the damaged they've inflicted upon us.

[AnnInLa]

3. My son, one of the working poor

told me that it didn't matter what kind of tax break he received for buying his own health-care-insurance, he could not afford to buy it. Instead, he has to buy groceries, rent, utilities, gas, and car insurance. At the end of the week, he has zero $ left to buy health insurance. If people who live week to week just can't buy health insurance, what are they to do? Take out a loan? What kind of world do these repukes live in that they can't see that some people have no discretionary income whatsoever. They need to visit here where I live, and loan all of these people $20 to make it to the next week's paycheck.

[Warpy]

6. That goes to the heart of why a $7500 tax credit for single people

won't do a damned bit of good. If they pay less than $7500 in taxes every year, it's pretty meaningless. Someone with extremely low income may pay only a few hundred dollars in income taxes, how is a massive credit going to do them any good? That won't even pay a month's premium unless they're 20 and in perfect health and can guarantee they won't grow any older or ever get sick.

As a nurse working for a non union hospital, I had to choose between keeping a roof over my head or paying insurance premiums. I decided the roof would do more for my health than fattening an insurance giant would. I have had no health insurance for 20 years now.

Our system is broken and it seems few within the beltway have a clue how to fix it. They're all too busy trying to protect the insurance industry to address the very real problems that are literally killing us.

[formercia]

19. That's because we're a cash crop to the insurance industry

profits come before everything else.

Farmers won't plant a crop without some return and insurance companies won't provide coverage that doesn't provide a return for their investors and a bonus for management.

[Maine-ah]

13. BINGO! we have a winner

that's why I don't have health insurance.

[Ganja Ninja]

5. Leave it to Bush to find a way to make a bad system worse.

[halobeam]

7. yes, he has quite the talent in doing just that!

[Swamp Rat]

8. "The guy is a freaking liberal."

:wtf:

"Liberals" want universal healthcare, so that inbred unclefuckers like freedomdefender can have FREE and EQUAL access to quality healthcare.

[ProfessorGAC]

10. Besides That, Rat, . . .

. . .i'm a liberal. I know what they look like. Silverspoon is not a liberal. Just a liar. And the freeptard who wrote that just got fished in.
The Professor

[unpossibles]

9. oh, ok. I get it. If one of their own - you know, the very same guy

that the freeptards have been defending for 6 years, does something even they think is wrong, the only solution that crosses what passes for a brain is that Bush is now a liberal.

I see.

[Dora]

11. I heard about this "idea" on NPR this morning.

Absolute insanity: Tax people for having employer-provided health insurance.

[NewJeffCT]

12. If businesses lost the health insurance deduction...

we'd go from 47 million uninsured to 247 million... the only people covered would be those on Medicare & Medicaid

[Captain Hilts]

15. The problem is, insurance cos. still get to choose who they are willing to insure.

They won't insure me for the soul reason I'm unemployed.

I've got the money, but can't get insurance for that reason. Being unemployed obviously places me in a risk pool they don't want to deal with.

[formercia]

18. I'll give you a good example

I've been having some serious health problems for quite a while and have been going round and round with my managed care provider. Finally, they decided I needed to see a specialist, then there was the problem of finding one that would accept my health insurance, then there's the long wait to get an appointment..and on and on, meanwhile, my body suffers the consequences.
Really good specialists may charge a lot more, but if you have the cash, they will manage to fit you in.

I think the ultimate punishment for Bush Gang would be to force them on to Medicaid for the rest of their short lives.

[SoCalDem]

21. Like I said before and got FLAMED..

Universal healthcare will not arrive until employers no longer pay for it..for ANYONE.

It will take the mass-uninsuring of the middle & uppers (or making them TAXED for it), before the uproar is enough to actually change things.

Right now there are millions of happy-as-a-clam employees out here who "have theirs", so they are not all that eager to change things, BUT, once they lose it or have to pay for it, they soon realize that all those "raises" they never got beause it went to "keep" their "free" or "employer-supported" healthcare premiums, were just a long-runing scam.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)

15. FORBID corporations/companies to "provide" medical coverage.



The introduction of company-paid coverage was a way around wage freezes to begin with, and once the corporations had the hook in their mouths, the insurers were off and running.

Imagine if all of a sudden it was ILLEGAL for a company to provide medical coverage,....Can you just HEAR the howls of all those $40k & UP employees who all of a sudden were "uninsured"?

Of course all those suddenly uninsured employees would be expecting that cash the company was formerly sending to the insurers, to start coming to THEM in the form of wages.. (Those increases were usually disguised as wage increases anyway..for the millisecond before the insurers gobbled them up)

and of all the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the insurers who had finally killed that golden-egged goose?

Insurers would find themselves with few customers, and employees would suddenly be free to move to ANY company..

Real competition would prevail, once ALL employers were unable to provide medical. They would all be competing for people who showed up, did a task, and then went home.

Employees would no longer be beholden to a boss to be in charge of literal life & death issues for him and his family. His labor would be fairly traded for a job done...and nothing more. No more corporate leverage, no more threats of lost coverage, to explain why no one gets raises.

Of course in the immediate maelstrom, things could get chaotic, but it would not be long until the insurers realized that THEY would have to be creative and provide some real services..(and of course the government would inevitably step in)

It's way past time to call some bluffs.