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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:22 AM
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Why isn't w's absolute failure to get Osama more of an issue?
Because he isn't a Democrat? Because the White House/Media don't want to discuss it? Because 99% of Americans don't know about the bin Laden family's decades long business association with the bush family?

Why do they rarely mention the unholy name Osama for 6 years if he is supposedly the one responsible for nine eleven, which they harp about incessantly? Is it because most Americans don't know that the C.I.A. trained and financed Osama for decades?

Is it not more of an issue because an un-captured bin Laden is more useful as a specter of impending terror and doom?

How do all of cheney and rove's blatant mind tricks work so effectively on so many people? You know and I know that if it were President Al Gore that had failed to get the perpetrator of nine eleven for six straight years, he'd have been executed by firing squad and in his grave already.
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freesqueeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:25 AM
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1. Great Question!
I'm sure that if they caught him it would be all we would hear about.

I suspect he's already dead and he purposely died in a way to deny Bush any claim of victory. But then I wonder...would Osama keeling over from old age or liver failure give Bush any reason to crow?

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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:25 AM
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2. Lemmings. That's why.
Many people think Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11 and they also think Barack Obama is Osama bin Laden.

People are stupid.

That's why.

Sad, isn't it?

But them's the facts.

People are stupid.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:26 AM
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3. Yes to all of your questions...
Several years back, I had a fruitless argument with a freeper acquaintance of mine about how Bin Laden was trained by the U.S., and Saddam came by all of his WMD by the U.S.

She simply refused to believe it, that it was all bullshit made up by the liberal press. This is the mentality we are dealing with in this country, so it's not hard to understand the answer to your question.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:37 AM
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9. What evidence did you use to try to convince your acquaintance about bin laden?nt
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:40 AM
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10. I cited numerous newspaper and magazine articles as well as books...
Edited on Wed Jun-27-07 10:40 AM by Virginia Dare
offered to google it for her and send her the links, but she pulled the old "liberal media conspiracy" rabbit out of the hat, so she wasn't going to believe any of it anyway. If the Washington Times didn't write about it, it isn't valid in her mind..:eyes:

I did send her the pic of Rummy shaking hands with Saddam though, never got a response...:rofl:
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:00 AM
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14. Yeah, I've had someone call the pic of Rummy and Saddam a fake, so
I posted the video. ;) As I recall, many of his so-called wmd came from a suburb of Maryland.

But, back to bin laden, I'm not sure about the claims at all. There are many sources contradicting that he was funded and trained by the CIA. I think it's within the realm of possibility for sure, but I don't know why he would have needed funding and training from anyone else.

All that said, I don't think enough people yet realize how much actual responsibility the US needs to accept for 9/11.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:17 AM
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16. With the twisted tentacles of "funding" within the CIA world..
Edited on Wed Jun-27-07 11:18 AM by Virginia Dare
it would be virtually impossible to prove it one way or the other, but I don't think there's much doubt he was on "our side" at one point. We cheered him on at the very least, and much more probably aided and abetted him.

More than likely, he's still got friends in high places somewhere within the U.S. government, if not the CIA.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:24 AM
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18. Proof may be out of the question, but
it's still possible to weigh whatever evidence we can find.
Isn't it possible that the perception of "cheering him on" morphed into "trained and funded" him?

I'm just not aware of any level of evidence regarding bin laden that compares with our certainty about overtly supporting Saddam.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:16 PM
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20. I will give you one concrete source..
and that is Pakastani journalist Ahmed Rashid, who has writtens several books on the Taliban and Afghanistan, and claims that bin laden was directly funded and trained by the U.S.

We do know that both Carter and Reagan funded extremist groups in Afghanistan in a diliberate attempt to hurt the Russians. It definitely wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that bin laden's group would have been one of these.

Again, whether we'll ever see any concrete proof is another matter, but what concrete proof do we have that he masterminded 9/11?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:26 AM
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4. Because w controls the media
And the media decides what we hear.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:30 AM
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5. because the "war" on "terror" is a phony issue--a marketing campaign theme really
and no one expects "real" results or cares that much
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:33 AM
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6. Because it's the one issue KKKarl hasn't figured out how to spin. Why the lazy MSM
lets him pass on the issue, I have no idea.

Well, not true, I do know, it's just too depressing to think about...
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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:35 AM
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7. Osama played bush and cheney and all the frightened neocons like a good poker hand.
He is smarter than them, but who isn't?
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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:36 AM
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8. Because it's Clinton's fault.
See, Clinton failed to get OBL, so * doesn't have to worry about it because he can just blame Bill.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:41 AM
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11. I blame the media..
for the political dumbing down of America. Recent studies show that more
people now believe Saddam actually had something to do with 9/11 than did
when we attacked Iraq!! :wtf:
:argh:
A surprising number believe he is dead.
:crazy:
Drive a Freeper crazy - ask them why Bush did not accept the Taliban's
offer of OBL in 02/01 in return for lifting sanctions. :freak:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:42 AM
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12. They media is more interested in Paris being in jail
That is the "liberal media" again.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:52 AM
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13. I've always thought Dems should mention Osama every time they....
talk about pulling out of Iraq. "We need to get our troops out of Iraq so we can get the person who killed our people on 9/11, OBL."

"Bush and the Republic Party decided to attack Iraq instead of putting all our efforts into getting the person responsible for 9/11, OBL."


Etc........
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:08 AM
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15. Because Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt got divorced
Someone won American Idol ...
A white girl went missing in the Carribean ...
John Edwards got a haircut ...
Rosie and the Donald had a snit ...
Paris went to jail ...
Madonna angered Catholics ...
A dude killed his white wife and their unborn child ...
A representative was implicated in a missing white female intern ...
The guy from survivor cheated on his taxes ...
Brittney didn't wear panties ...
TomKat had a baby ...
Brangelina adopted a child ...


I think you get where I'm going with this.



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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:20 AM
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17. I want to know more
These stories sound interesting.

Who wants to talk about bin Laden?

Can you post a pic of Brangelina and their kid of the week? I bet it's a cute one.

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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:54 AM
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19. You can probably tell from the list
that since I generally ignore MSM and it's breathless coverage of things that do not matter, I had to really wrack (rack?, whack?) my brain to come up with a list of just a few of the thousands of distractions that have passed for news in the past 6 years.

How is it that the Brits, who don't even have First Amendment protections, are able to have one of the greatest news organizations in the world? It's even more amazing when you look at the BBC's main source of funding.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 02:55 PM
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