I am completely confused with this immigration reform .

[blues90]

There are no easy answers for this mess , there are far to many gray areas .

I see no answer to any of this other than to give mexico back it's farming and oil , both we stole from them .

Paying a good wage seems to me even though fair would seem to only add to illegals coming here for work while it still cuts the wages down for american citizens . Putting up some wall seems insane , their guest worker programs is nuts and allowing companies to hire illegals is a crime which needs to be put on these companies .

Look how they have immigrants working in New Orleans , they didn't walk there or find these jobs in the paper .

I really don't know what to think about this madness of a mess . They talk about 12,000 to 20,000 , which is it ?

Bush opened the boarders from what I understand and this had to be for cheap labor for the corps who must support bush or perhaps this is only part of the problem .

There are illegals from all over the world here working and yet they focus on the hispanics . Only in america can you come across the border and get a job , I certainly can't go anywhere else on earth and work .

I understand the horror mexico faces with their goverment and our free trade laws .

I certainly don't have an answer other than to know things will get much worse before anything begins to turn around if it ever does .

The senate dropped the unions like a hot steel bar today . Our jobs are continuing to be outsourced and US plants closed , we make nothing here it seems other than military hardware and pollution and increase the population .

Trying to connect the dots is impossible .

I wish I was born 25 years earlier and now I would be ashes scattered in the wind .

[Xipe Totec]

1. If Scalia can quote fiction to make a point, so can I

"Listen, kid, if you've made a deal with the Deveels, and you think you got the better end of the bargain, count your fingers, then your toes. If they're all there, go looking for missing relatives."

Aahz - Another Fine Myth.

If republicans support this bill, and the chimp supports this bill, I would not trust it as far as I could comfortably spit out a rat.

[blues90]

2. This bill , once if it gets through the senate

Then it has to go through the house . This could go on as long as the bush admin is still in office , or the world blows up , which ever comes first .

[bryant69]

7. On the other hand a racist cheerleading society led by Hannity and Rush oppose this bill

Limbaugh and Hannity can't shut up about how awful it is, and they are doing everything they can to stop it.

Bryant
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[PsN2Wind]

3. None of the bills proponents has said

that if the utopia they claim will materialize doesn't, how then the problem will be rectified. None of them either have said that the costs associated with this bill will be federalized rather than sluffed off on the states as they are now.
So if it turns out bad, we, the great unwashed, will just have to live with it and, of course, pay the tab.

[Xipe Totec]

4. Better to have no bill than a bad one

Americans are not ready to accept the reality of interdependence between Mexico and the USA.

So long as this situation exists, no bill will solve the problem.

The USA has a population of 250 Million. 12 million illegal immigrants is about 5% of the total population; one of every 20 people you meet is an "illegal" immigrant.

That has an enormous economic impact on our nation. Good, bad, or indifferent, we do not know.

But the impact is there.

If we're sure we're better off without them than with them, then go ahead; expel the lot of them.

But we better make dammed sure because the consequences of such a massive exile will be enormous.

[barronvonsloat]

5. worse than that

12 million plus the rest of the family, makes it more like 30 to 40 million. many of the additional family members will not work making the impact on society much greater. If you do not secure the boarder, which this bill will not do,this number will keep on growing. with a national health care system starting to be debated this is economic suicide.

[Marrah_G]

6. If you gave land back to mexico all it would do was move the border crossing

How do you think the Mexican Americans there would feel about being kicked off their property? Or illegal mexican immigrants finding themselves back at square one all over again? People aren't leaving Mexico because they think we have their land. People are leaving Mexico because the government is so corrupt and refuses to help it's own people. Giving them more land wouldn't magically fix it. Giving them the oil wouldn't help either, it's not as if they would ever see a dime off it.

[The2ndWheel]

8. The only way to get land is to kill for it

So Mexico will have to start a war if they want it back.

It's about further integration of one global system. For the purposes of production, diversity is a bad thing.

[RB TexLa]

9. 25, 50, 100, 200 years earlier it would just be a different group certain people would tell you to

blame.