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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:48 AM Original message |
Police in Plantation, Florida, say ex-Marine within his rights to shoot armed robbers in Subway |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. How he can gun them down and not be charged-simple. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I don't think it could be any clearer. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I'm not saying this is the case here, but... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. No, the law doesn't state that you have to be sober to act in self-defense. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Here we go with the what ifs |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Deleted sub-thread |
Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
97. Like a life? n/t |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. So your saying it's ok to rob and steal from people? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #97 |
158. Well, you're using an expression as though Mr. Lovell could derive some sort of advantage |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
100. posted wrong place. |
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ChazII (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
218. They should have read |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:07 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. Even if the guy was drunk out of his mind |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. He was eating in a Subway. I say odds are pretty good |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 07:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
255. at 11:15 PM, I could see it being a place to get a bite to eat on the way home from the bar |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Exactly! He was well within his rights. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. And since they were armed, he really can't just point the gun |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
195. That's right..they could |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
79. Bingo!!! |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
3. Sounds like some plain "self defense" on the face of it. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
4. After robbing the store, the men turned to Lovell. They wanted his money, police said. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
63. It boggles the mind. They seem to feel they have the "right" to rob and steal |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
105. Robbing and stealing is their occupation. Don't they have a right to a safe workplace? |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #105 |
118. Acute lead poisoning is an occupational hazard. |
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jollyreaper2112 (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
6. I don't have a problem with it |
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TnDem (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
46. Well... |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #46 |
88. Ain't that the truth |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
62. Regarding "suitable training" |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
8. "But the men's friends |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:00 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Thats the friends and family of the robbers. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:01 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Yes |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Sorry I missread your post. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:05 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. No problem. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Thats my take also. |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
211. Yes, they do "have a bit of a problem": grief |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #211 |
232. "Saying you |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #232 |
241. Well, if we have to go down this road... |
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anitar1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 02:17 AM Response to Reply #20 |
238. Maybe family is contemplating a wrongful death lowsuit ? n/t |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
10. What kind of ignorant jackass... |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
217. Well, a couple of armed robbers pointed their guns at a 71 year old man... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
16. I'd rather he'd given up his money than see someone killed for it, but he was within his rights |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Oh give me a break. They have been plenty of people who gave |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:08 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I just don't think any amount of cash is worth a man's life. But the Marine was within his rights |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. And I think when someone uses a gun to unlawfully threaten you, they accept the |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Absolutely. But to me a lost life is a greater tragedy than lost cash |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:16 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I don't think the cash is really an issue. Even if they didn't demand anything from him at all, |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. I would only use potentially lethal force if I thought my life were in danger |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Well, if someone was armed and asking for his |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:28 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Sure, and I have no idea if that's the case--another reason I won't pass judgment here |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:31 AM Response to Reply #41 |
55. This guy felt the same way. "Just give them what they want" They killed him anyway. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:32 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. There's plenty of risk involved with either choice |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #57 |
69. It doesn't matter. Your lack of a rah-rah-rah-go-boys attitude means you're an effete gun-grabber. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #57 |
89. Well..... I can only speak for myself |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:48 AM Response to Reply #41 |
68. if I thought my life were in danger |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:19 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. You don't know if after getting their cash the robbers would have |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. True, there's risk there. But the marine took risks in shooting the gunmen |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:25 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. This marine seemed to know what he was doing. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Lacking the training to engage hostile gunmen is another reason I wouldn't pull out a gun |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:28 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. I wouldn't do the same thing either cause I don't own a gun. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
91. Kill all the witnesses |
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TnDem (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #33 |
53. How I see it is.... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:32 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I'm not quite ready to wholly write off a human being I know nothing about |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:33 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Not trying to change your position, but once someone points a gun at me I know all I need |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:36 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I understand that. If I'm convinced all he wants is my money, I'll give it |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #58 |
70. So, if cops show up, shout "drop that weapon," the mugger surrenders and doesn't get killed... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #70 |
82. I don't how you could draw that conclusion. I believe that if someone |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #56 |
72. What more do you need to know about this waste of humanity? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. One of the robbers survived. For some reason the ex, sorry, former Marine... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #73 |
83. He's lucky he didn't shot too. But if he weren't out robbing old men at gunpoint |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #73 |
86. No, that's not what this is about at all. But you know that, don't you? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #73 |
90. Deleted message |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #90 |
131. OK, now we're into "I know you are but what am I" territory. I'm outta here. -nt |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #131 |
139. See YOUR post #76 which contains the query... |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #73 |
188. It disappoints ME. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #188 |
209. After seeing that subject line, I knew it was you before I saw the author. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #209 |
231. That's good. I hope to have the chance to kill a dirtbag before he murders you. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #73 |
192. The State will do that instead |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #192 |
210. Worse, as if he had the intention to kill him. Manslaughter would be more appropriate. -nt |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #72 |
129. let me fill you in on |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #129 |
144. What does no criminal record or getting a GED have to do with it? |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #144 |
150. But...but...but...the armed robbery was just a study break |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. I'm thinking George Bush, Dick Cheney and their ilk have advanced degrees. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #129 |
154. Ordering him into a rest room took this far beyond a simple robbery situation. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #129 |
185. Deleted message |
tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #185 |
198. Ditto |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #185 |
201. no, i'm not |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #201 |
219. Look, I've *been* desperate before. I know the feeling. BUT, again.. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #219 |
221. ya know- |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #221 |
227. Thank you, too. Civil conversation is a lost art on some. I try not to be one of them. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #56 |
80. Guy Was Holding a Gun on a 71 Year Old! |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #80 |
127. how old is Dustin Hoffman? |
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Retired AF Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #33 |
245. With almost 7 billion people on this planet |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
153. He was an old guy, too--a former Marine. In his seventies. |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
81. Yep -- happens all the time |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #81 |
128. See: The Brown's Chicken massacre... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:37 AM Response to Reply #16 |
60. I'd Give Someone My "Walking Around Money" Rather Than Shoot Em |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Pretty risky--one twitch and a gun in your face could end any chance of self-defense |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #61 |
84. But the guy hadthose risks thrust on him. Had he not been robbed at gunpoint |
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anitar1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 02:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
239. If you read the article, you would see that Lovell was told to go to |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #239 |
244. I wasn't there, so I can't judge what I would have done very well |
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NavyDavy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
18. Florida another southern state with backward a** laws.... |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:08 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Actually |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:08 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. People should have a right to self-defense. South or North. |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
30. You're joking, right? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Actually it's one of the best laws in the United States. |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. I would have done the same. If someone pointed a gun at me, I would kill him at my first chance |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
99. Those of us who go to the range |
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TnDem (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
54. I agree.... |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #18 |
49. Which states don't allow people to defend themselves when someone |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
19. Ah, what a world. Self-defense is an unalterable |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:06 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Actually |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. I don't care about their "mental or socio-economic condition". |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. The government robs you at gunpoint every payday |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:22 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Sorry, but taxes aren't robbery. |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Your opinion of taxes... |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #19 |
38. In this particular case, I don't really care about the mental or economic situation of the robbers |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
34. Sorry. Have to correct you on the "ex-Marine" |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Especially now that they can recall ANYONE to active duty? n/t |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
45. That has been the law in this country from the beginning |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
64. Shooting in self-defense is not about giving someone what they deserve |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
65. so the ex-marine kills somone but the robber will be charged with murder... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #65 |
106. oh my |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #106 |
114. The robber should be charged with murder... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #114 |
121. No one made that marine fire his gun either. nt |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. No, but they MADE him have to choose to do it or risk their kindness. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #123 |
132. Actually no. He was carrying the fire arm... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #132 |
142. Bullshit. The choice they forced on him was to defend himself or not. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #132 |
190. Deleted message |
Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #114 |
124. no one made |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #114 |
214. Murder is the INTENTIONAL taking of a life. Reckless endangerment doesn't cut the mustard. |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #106 |
199. I think the former marine was justified to shoot, but this is a strange law, |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
125. It make sense to me. He conspired to commit a felony..... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #125 |
133. True, but once you start carrying a gun, a person has then made the choice |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #133 |
137. WTF? Are you saying the 71 year old man with the licensed firearm should be charged? n/t |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. What does age matter under the eyes of the law? nt |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #138 |
146. With what should he e charged? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #146 |
161. oy, why do I even bother. nt |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. Good question. Why don't you answer the question? With what should he be charged? |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #138 |
160. *sigh* Nothing. I was distinguishing him from the young perpetrators. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. Oh I see, younger shooters have itchier trigger fingers so their for they |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #162 |
172. Deleted message |
mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #133 |
145. Using a gun is not a problem. Using a gun illegally is. NT |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #133 |
157. No, what's crazy is assuming that everyone that carries a gun will have to use it. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #157 |
163. And it also assumes the worst from your fellow citizen. nt |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. No assumption required. Some of your fellow citizens will try to hurt you, and |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #163 |
168. No. There are no assumptions, only preparations. |
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cloudbase (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #157 |
252. Indeed. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #65 |
189. Yes, that's the way it works. The two robbers were involved in criminal activity. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #189 |
216. The criminal activity being armed robbery, NOT MURDER. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #216 |
220. Yes, but had they shot the Marine, it would have been murder or attempted |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
66. They attacked him, and he was legally carrying his gun. Self defense. |
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cigsandcoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
67. I guess they won't be terrorizing any more restaurants. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
71. They got what they were asking for. |
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verse18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
74. If they had not been trying to rob someone |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. I know, this is complete and total bullshit. |
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zagging (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
75. Solid Steel Balls |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
76. How could there be any question about self defense from a person with a gun? |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
77. This situation could easily have been avoided... |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #77 |
85. I think the idea of retreating is iffy at best if the person has a gun |
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Laurier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #77 |
256. Very well said. |
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LeftHander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
87. In other news, 9 year old killed by stray bullet from robbery...nt |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. It's your right to feel that way. I'd say it's natural selection in action. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
92. That's the occupational hazard of being a predator. Rest In Dirt |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
93. america the land of the |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Hate "us"? For an elderly man defending himself when being robbed at gunpoint? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #95 |
103. for thinking that a man |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Uh, it was the robbers who valued the SHIT so highly they pointed guns at people to TAKE it. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. this guy is no hero |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. I don't know why you think this is about possession. They had him at gunpoint. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #110 |
119. yes, he could have |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. But THEY made the choice, and FORCED a choice on him. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. no one forced |
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annarbor (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. Just curious... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #126 |
141. No one said he was forced to shoot - but the forced a choice on him |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #141 |
170. well, Saddam had the choice |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #170 |
174. How does this have anything to do with my not supporting the Iraq war? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #174 |
191. what is "legal" ???? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. Yes, since he was threatened I definitely support his self defense. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #194 |
206. he also might have found |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #206 |
248. He "blinked"? Gamble your life away if you want, but it's psycho to expect others to do it. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #126 |
156. "were you in favor of invading Iraq?" |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #156 |
169. call it anything you wish- |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #169 |
179. The victim here is not guilty of pre-emptive violence. He was THREATENED. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:39 PM Response to Reply #169 |
226. I'm gonna go out on a limb, here, and guess you've never been mugged or robbed. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #226 |
229. no- |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. I am sorry to hear that. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #126 |
173. No one forced him to shoot? Well, the guy wanted to live. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #173 |
208. not asking you to cry- |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-01-07 07:24 AM Response to Reply #126 |
257. . |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #119 |
149. "At what point do we say enough" |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #149 |
176. no, i can very clearly stand up to anyone |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #176 |
181. Albert Einstein advocated against self defense? |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #176 |
200. well, that for certain is obvious, since you can't even fucking spell his name. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:38 PM Response to Reply #200 |
204. I'm not claiming to be |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #204 |
205. I was basically agreeing with your observation about your own intellect. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #205 |
207. no, I'm sorry |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #119 |
152. Ordering him into a rest room leaves little doubt what their intentions were. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #109 |
147. What part of the concept of "self defense" are you completely unable to grasp? |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #109 |
250. This post fascinates me... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #107 |
166. Call me crazy but I consider a hero someone who contributes to the good of society |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #166 |
202. Getting rid of criminal scum does contribute to the good of society. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #166 |
223. Call me crazy but I consider a hero |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #223 |
247. About time somebody said something funny. This was getting tedious. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. They were preying on an elderly man. This this he wasn't as vulnerable as most elderly |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. i don't believe |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #103 |
136. Maybe the impoverished people you have such pity for |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 04:01 AM Response to Reply #103 |
240. "Vermin" or "animals"... |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
94. He's responsible for two handguns BEING TAKEN OFF THE STREETS... |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
98. Good for him |
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ReadTomPaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
102. More from the article... |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #102 |
115. Sounds to me like they were planning on killing him.. |
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ReadTomPaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Hard to say for sure, but in his situation the same thought would have crossed my own mind. n/t |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #102 |
117. Not just a Marine, but a Marine One Marine... |
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ReadTomPaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. I was thinking the same thing. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
104. Wait a minute. A guy, being robbed at gunpoint, killed his attackers in self-defense? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #104 |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
113. Same EXACT thing happened in Fort Myers a few weeks ago... |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
134. What if he was wrong? |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. and what if they shot everyone in the store? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #134 |
143. What if Eleanor Roosevelt Could Fly? |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #143 |
180. What if Superman was a Nazi? n/t |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #180 |
187. I don't know - but if he was a communist... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #187 |
212. What if Robert E. Lee had had nuclear weapons? |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #134 |
148. And "what if" monkeys flew out of his butt? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #134 |
155. IT's fun to speculate, but all of your "what ifs" have nothing to do with this incident. |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #134 |
175. Then the court would deal with it in the proper way. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #134 |
186. What if my aunt had balls? |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
140. Live by the gun, die by the gun. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
159. i think they should give the marine a medal |
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scrinmaster (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
167. Good shoot. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
171. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the term ex-marine an insult? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #171 |
177. I didn't know that. Live and learn. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:39 PM Response to Reply #171 |
225. probably not meant as an intentional insult but sure you're right |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
178. Damn right he was within his rights. Good for him! Too bad he didn't kill 'em both. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
182. Good |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
183. Very simple really, |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
184. Good for Mr. Lovell! |
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Louie the XIV (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
193. 1 less thug on the streets of Florida today |
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yorgatron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #193 |
196. i was trained that you never point a gun at anyone you don't intend to shoot. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
197. Hm, I wonder if he's a vegetarian. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #197 |
228. sounds like a TOTALLY cool older dude, veggie or not EOM |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
203. At this point in the thread, I'm just grateful they weren't robbing an Olive Garden. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:25 PM Response to Reply #203 |
215. LOL |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #215 |
224. And let's pray that the pistol-packing former Marine doesn't offer any opinions on breast feeding! |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
213. Obviously self-defense |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #213 |
222. I believe it's murder |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #222 |
233. So his accomplice is guilty of his murder? |
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cigsandcoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #233 |
234. I think the idea is to discourage armed robbery. n/t |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 02:00 AM Response to Reply #234 |
237. I'm not comfortable with that |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 12:51 AM Response to Reply #233 |
235. Then armed robbery is not your ideal profession. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 01:30 AM Response to Reply #235 |
236. Yep, seems kind of dangerous. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #233 |
242. When you conspire to commit felony armed robbery you are responsible ..... |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #242 |
243. I think that there ought to be a separate law, specifying the same or similar penalties |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #243 |
246. It is murder by a non-triggerman........ |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #246 |
253. I agree with that, |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #243 |
254. That would be okay, too. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #242 |
249. I'm uncomfortable with it. |
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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-30-07 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
251. You never know what you will do when confronted with that situation |
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