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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:19 PM Original message |
Gardasil and mandatory vaccination. My thoughts. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. If Merck has a vaccine that prevents cancer... |
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BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. No dog in the hunt here so to speak |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. And, as someone who lost someone dear to cervical cancer, |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. This vaccine doesn't prevent cancer. It supposedly stops a virus that MAY cause cancer |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. There is nothing supposed about it. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Jesus, I feel like I've dropped into a meeting of The Flat Earth Society. -eom |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Extremists exist on both sides. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Does the concept of "moral relativism" even exist in the "scientific community"? |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Yes it does. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. "Moral relativism".....exactly where in science? -eom |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. You edited you post to delete that part about "ethics". |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I was trying to be clear about your use of "moral relativism" in science. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
78. Your "suspect" is unproven. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. I am more concerned about making it financially available to those who want it. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. As MAdem has stated, we are for the "opt in" option. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. "Opt In" won't get the fucking thing paid for! You don't live in TX, I do! |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #100 |
109. I live in Texas, too; I also have a 10yo daughter. I don't agree with this. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Great. So, opt out. YOUR fears of the vaccine shouldn't stop anyone else from preventing cancer. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. Do you respect her right to refuse this vaccine? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. Sure! Absolutely! Just don't get in the way of everyone else! -nt |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #112 |
121. I plan to. My point is that accusing those of us who are opposed |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:38 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. Would you stop poor or uninsured girls & women from getting this vaccine? -nt |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. No; but you don't have to mandate it to get it covered by MA or CHIP |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. Private insurance will not cover this vaccine if it is not mandatory. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. Would you feel differently if you knew that none of the women who |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. I'm comfortable w/the science. You can choose to withhold it from your daughter. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. I don't know what else to say either. If you don't see the difference |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. Here's how. I happen to know one of the original virologists who developed this vaccine. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:48 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. How are my concerns dissing your friend at U. Rochester? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. Look, you are afraid of the vaccine & don't want it - fine, don't get it. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. Nighty night to you too. |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #136 |
150. I think you should've revealed your ties at the outset |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #150 |
159. What did Rosie say? |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #159 |
174. Just that somethin' smelled about that |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #150 |
197. Excuse me? What "ties"?? How ridiculous, you make it sound like I have a financial interest. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #197 |
208. yeah, and my cervical displasia / cone biopsy |
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windbreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:24 PM Response to Reply #136 |
167. but didn't I read that it has to be given before sex ever happens |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #130 |
144. Some of the trial participants were prepubescent. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:21 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Even if you assume an even distribution by age (m) |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #130 |
148. And I think it's irresponsible to foist it on ANYone with less |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:33 PM Response to Reply #148 |
153. What did Rosie say? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #148 |
157. Sorry I missed it. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:37 PM Response to Reply #130 |
172. what on *earth* does puberty status have to do with this???? |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #172 |
184. What are you missing, you ask? Quite a lot, apparently. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #184 |
188. THIS IS NOT A DRUG |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #188 |
192. Alright then. How about a vaccine example? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:08 AM Response to Reply #192 |
206. All right then. How about it? |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #172 |
267. There is in fact a great deal of controversy over giving small children |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #267 |
269. how fascinating |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #126 |
315. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG ABOUT THIS>>re: coverage |
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Turn CO Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #109 |
137. I feel that you should |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:49 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. I'm in public health academia, so I have no doubt about the |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #139 |
155. I also wonder about the long term side effects? |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:47 AM Response to Reply #139 |
201. EXACTLY, my fears too. Big Pharma likes to rush things |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #201 |
215. There is a moral balance in "rushing things" |
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Saphire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #109 |
272. my problem is the "opt out" of a mandated medical procedure. How |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. "There should be no ethics in science either?" |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Stop playing the "game". I have already said that there should... |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. I editied the first post to clarify. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
108. So it's "moral relatavism" to try to prevent deadly cervical cancer? |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:26 PM Response to Reply #108 |
116. Give it a break already. I am not doing anything to prevent you.. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #116 |
127. What is it with some people and their strawman arguments? |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. The infamous "strawman" nonsense comes up again. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #135 |
193. I'm still waiting for an explanation of what being against the HPV vaccine has to do with |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #135 |
249. Never mind. I think I have my answer. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #249 |
255. I stand my prior responses. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #255 |
258. Yep. Only neo-liberal leftist wackos have sex before marriage. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #258 |
264. don't forget stupid irresponsible women who want to blame everyone else |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #264 |
310. Yes, that would be you... |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:33 PM Response to Reply #108 |
152. there's been nothing said in this thread even remotely close to |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #152 |
194. Eh. Get real? In the post directly above yours, the poster I was responding to |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
145. The manufacturer doesn't even make such an outlandish claim. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:01 PM Response to Reply #145 |
160. And right there is the all the evidence I need to defend... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #160 |
165. Heck, no problem. More info on Gardasil that you'll find of interest. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #165 |
168. Muy Bien!!! |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Cervical cancer is caused by HPV. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #42 |
71. one strain of cervical cancer. it does NOT prevent all cervical cancer |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #71 |
94. 70% of cervical cancer is caused by 2 strains of HPV. nt |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:51 AM Response to Reply #71 |
202. Gardasil contains recombinant DNA for HPV Types 6, 11, 16, 18 |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. Yeah, but then you're a creationist. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
107. I thought science was just another belief system, predicated on "atheistic materialism" |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
35. They Are Being Given an Unfair Advantage Over Their Competitors |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. Unfair? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #46 |
211. It's Really Simple |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. I disagree. |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. I can't help but be apprehensive - |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
56. Question regarding the data, sparonsare... |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. When I am in my office tomorrow, I will send you specifics. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Many many thanks! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #69 |
149. I ask most humbly - can you add me to your PM list on this matter too? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #62 |
147. And, as you note - LONG TERM STUDIES do not exist given the short |
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Journeyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. Well, a voice of measured reason in a somewhat kneejerk debate. . . |
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LynzM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
4. I don't totally disagree with you |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. So you can get this HPV from a toilet seat? |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I was under the impression the vaccine wouldn't work if you had HPV. |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. It doesn't work if you already have the virus |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. That's what I thought. The poster I was responding to indicated |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Hmm, that's not what her GYNO told her |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I'm curious as to what you will find. |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. According to Merck's website, it does afford some protection even if infected |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. That's good news |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. Depends on which strain it is, evidently the Gardasil works on 4 diff |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
82. 30 types of sexually transmitted HPV types |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Prepare to be assaulted and smeared. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #82 |
254. Yes, 2 of the 4 are the primary strains that cause cervical cancer. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
97. Exactly, HPV can be spread through "safe" sex - condoms have not been |
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Quakerfriend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. Did you see the thread earlier today re: side effects of |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Always look at all the angles - it's very important. |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
154. desperate to make profits -- |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
158. BRAVO! |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
189. Look at all the angles. But Washington Times and NVIC aren't reliable. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #189 |
237. The NVIC is not biased "against" vaccines, they are providing information |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #237 |
248. Providing misleading information |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #248 |
257. The NVIC does quote the science, but there is a concerted effort to discredit the organization. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
7. You do understand it is "mandatory" so that insurance cos & Medicaid MUST pay for it? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
171. It also removes Merck from liability. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
9. It hasn't been tested long enough and Merk has already lied about two |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
73. and isn't there now a law that pharmaceuticals cant be sued because of |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. I don't remember if Repugs got it through...but I know they did get through |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
187. "It hasn't been tested long enough" |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:28 PM Original message |
I agree. Make this vaccine available to be... |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. There quite a number of vaccines that are required. This sounds |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Exactly |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
12. A couple of comments about HPV. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
13. I'm suspicious of any drug that is "mandatory." |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Anyone can OPT OUT. It's only "mandatory" so the vaccine is covered ($$$). -eom |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
14. About the mandatory part |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Thank you! I feel like a broken record about this. People don't understand "mandatory" in this. - |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
98. Excellent post, all should read! nt |
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Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
19. Not so long ago, people were shrieking about the fundies trying to prevent |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I want to see more data before my daughter becomes vaccinated. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. This exact same freakout happened over the Hepatitis B vaccine too. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
24. "HPV is not an epidemic; it cannot be 'caught' easily" Not true. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Just as there are religious fundamentalists, there too can... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
110. Bullshit. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. The arrogance of this post leaves the mind reeling. Americans can't be trusted to interpret |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. You and I think alike. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #37 |
66. I've seen this for years on DU and elsewhere |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #66 |
156. The lack of basic science education, or the lack of basic science |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #156 |
175. Once again- my point gets illustrated.... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #175 |
182. Hey depakid. |
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Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #175 |
195. Great post! |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #175 |
230. Anyone using the phrase "science deification" is a lost cause. |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
25. My daughter will be getting the vaccine |
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Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I wonder how heavy the guilt will weigh on some |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. What about the guilt of those whose daughters end up sterile from the vaccine? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. OMFG. YOU backup your own assertions. No one has to prove a negative. |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. Have you read this? It's what I'm saying - |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Did you read the follow ups to that post? The AAP is recommending the vaccine. -eom |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Also, did you see my earlier post about WHY the vaccine is labeled "mandatory"? -nt |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. All of your points are taken. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. That post has been soundly debunked |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #39 |
216. Hello? It's up to Drug Co. to prove their vaccine is safe for 9 year olds. They haven't. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. The sterility is the good news. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Now we are getting to the meat & potatoes! -eom |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
48. There is no evidence to suggest that this is the case. |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
59. Do you know of any testing |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #59 |
218. I haven't heard of any EXTENSIVE testing on 9 year olds. It's up to the drug co. to prove |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
231. Which other vaccines cause sterility? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
185. Why would I feel guilty for letting my daughter make her own medical |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #185 |
219. this thread is about mandatory vaccinations. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #219 |
227. Yep, and I'm opposed. Thankfully, most states have waivers. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #185 |
232. I'm sure she'll tell you when she's ready. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #232 |
236. I'm sure she will also. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #236 |
238. Well, youre daughter's a "good" girl. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #238 |
240. WTF? |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #240 |
244. I retract my comments. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #244 |
245. Demonstrative of the sick bullshit that permeates the defense of corporate |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #245 |
246. Why should I tell you what to do to your daughter? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #246 |
247. Agreed. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. Exactly. |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
68. It's not fear, it's caution. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. If it were still in the preliminary stages of development, I'd agree. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
89. And you would trust Merck to be working for you and your daughters best interests? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
30. I disagree. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
52. I agree with you completely. |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
55. How much mercury is in the vaccine? |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. The DPT vaccine also has caused brain damage. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Zero. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
74. my oldest |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
75. well said. n/t |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
79. Why only females? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. And...who in the Bush Administration really "loves females?" And, who in |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
95. link |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #95 |
140. hang on, it isn't just gay men |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #79 |
103. I believe they are in the testing stage for males. |
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bellasgrams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
85. Some vacines cause Autism |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Sure, the same way bigfoot causes chemtrails. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. What utter B.S! |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
106. I know! Gosh! |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. Also, there are those guys who developed the Nuclear bomb. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. And smallpox! |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:26 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. That's right, there are unethical scientists. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Sure thing. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. rofl |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #85 |
101. There is a difference between being cautious, and being misinformed. |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #85 |
162. Welcome to DU -- have you seen this? |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #85 |
209. Wrong. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #85 |
221. That has been debunked |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
87. I want someone to explain to me... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. A couple of reasons... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #92 |
220. Except this is being given to 9 year olds and extensive testing hasn't been done on them |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. Clinical trials have just begun on men and boys. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. It has been tested in other countries |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:09 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Yes, but not yet here, not FDA approved yet. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #87 |
99. It is in other countries Velma |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:54 AM Response to Reply #87 |
203. Read my post #17, I said the EXACT same thing, why always women as guinea pigs? |
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politicat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
104. As one of very few women over 30 without HPV.... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. "Women run a far higher risk of cervical cancer than they do an adverse reaction from a vaccine" |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #104 |
118. This is the best post I have read so far on this topic, well done. |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #104 |
128. Your numbers... |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #128 |
163. Excellent post. Thanks |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:57 AM Response to Reply #163 |
204. Ditto, and my 25 yr. old was dx'd with HPV last month |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #128 |
235. The entire post is/was based upon falsehoods. |
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Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #104 |
196. STANDING OVATION! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #196 |
228. To bad it's riddled with inaccurate information. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #104 |
234. Since your post is riddled with error and getting attention, I feel I should respond. |
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williesgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
111. My daughter has cervical cancer. In fact, she had more removed today. Her doc wants her to get |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #111 |
122. I'm so sorry to hear that -- |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:00 AM Response to Reply #111 |
205. We're waiting for the results of my 25 y/o's colposcopy |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
131. Well my argument is more about the FDA itself |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
133. Sorry I agree with Gov. Goodhair on this |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
141. "a new vaccine developed by Merck that protects women from contracting Human Papilloma Virus" |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #141 |
161. *Someone* has to be the guinea pig... |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. Then how about you volunteer yourself. |
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Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:33 PM Response to Reply #164 |
198. I have volunteered for at least a dozen clinical trials in my life.... |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #164 |
223. I will gladly take this vaccine. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #161 |
169. Not my child. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #161 |
173. People were the guinea pigs. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. People didn't die en masse during the two year trial period. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #177 |
178. People die en masse from cervical cancer. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #178 |
183. Actually, as a consumer I suggest the burden of proof is the other way around. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #183 |
251. Right on! |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #178 |
252. Weak arguement on you half. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
151. While I agree with the parts about the experimental nature of this vaccine, I've known more than 1 |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
166. cut off your nose to spite your face ... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #166 |
170. Read this: |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #170 |
176. not interested, thanks |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:59 PM Response to Reply #176 |
180. Your experience doesn't mean you have a measured opinion. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #180 |
186. for the love of god, I am sick to fucking death of this |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #186 |
190. Actually "pal" your personal experience does not make you qualified to answer |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:32 AM Response to Reply #190 |
207. "civil tone"??? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #207 |
225. Another over the top emotional response. I'm not surprised. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #225 |
250. you wanna know what "offends" me? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #250 |
259. So now we're discussing, grammar, phlegm and Cabaret? Oh and blue skies. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #259 |
263. Deleted message |
mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:55 PM Response to Reply #263 |
274. Well, lets see if I can find anything worth replying to in your windy convoluted rant. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:56 PM Response to Reply #259 |
275. oh my oh my oh my |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #275 |
277. It's good you back up your remarks when you decide not to follow the user rules. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #186 |
191. PS, I'm out for the evening. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #186 |
253. I'm sick of this too!!!!!!! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #253 |
256. why are you still doing this? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #253 |
260. Hear hear! |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #170 |
179. See post #175 |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. Bullcrap, Merck is going to make loads. |
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Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #181 |
200. I don't care. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #200 |
226. You have no proof women will be spared anything. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #170 |
233. Is the evilslutopia blog your only source? n/t |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #233 |
241. No. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
199. I agree with your second point, but not the first |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
210. let me put a different spin on this... |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #210 |
212. I would prefer this vaccine and an HIV vaccine be 'eased' into the general population. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #212 |
214. good points |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #212 |
217. But is there actually any proof they rushed this? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #217 |
222. Deleted message |
Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #217 |
224. The onus is on Merck to prove the vaccine is safe. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #224 |
229. I don't think that it was your intent to spread fear. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #224 |
242. I can't thank you enough for your measured opinion. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #217 |
261. Yes. "Rapid Approval Marks Major Advancement in Public Health." |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:10 PM Response to Reply #261 |
279. No. That's just the approval process. I'm talking about the entire process. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #279 |
281. We don't generally judge the approval process from the time of discovery. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #281 |
284. However you judge it, show me where a step was skipped |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #284 |
286. You've been given info that shows you the process was sped up. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #286 |
288. Of course I care about long term effects. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #288 |
289. Vaccines have an approval process which is similar to Vioxx. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #289 |
297. Not contrary at all. I just wasn't very clear. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #297 |
299. That's your position, and I respect it. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #212 |
262. What is your thought on the potential for this vaccine to do the opposite of what |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #262 |
268. it beggars belief |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:04 PM Response to Reply #268 |
276. "What; give women cervical cancer?" |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:04 PM Response to Reply #276 |
290. addled, just addled |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #290 |
298. Actually for once you made a point. |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:48 PM Response to Reply #262 |
273. Maybe not do the opposite, but trigger an unexpected result. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #273 |
278. Goodness. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #278 |
294. yes indeedy! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #294 |
300. Well no worries, it's possible "sufferers" can still get their hands on some Vioxx? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #210 |
213. Well, A Nihilist Might Tell You |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #213 |
243. Or that the world is overpopulated anyhow so if we lose a few to vaccine reactions |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
239. thanks for being very reasonable, civil and fact-based SS |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
265. Texas governor and family have direct ties to Merck $$$$$ |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #265 |
271. Good info. I'd like to add a few bits. |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #271 |
282. Long list of criminal activities by Chem / Pharm and its corrupt practices |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #282 |
302. Wow! |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #265 |
293. FYI. re: copyright guidelines. |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #293 |
303. In all due respect that was not copyrighted. |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #293 |
304. Ooops! I see your point. You were discussing another article |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #304 |
308. Your welcome. No biggie. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
266. Adding to the record in this discussion - Mercks political contributions: |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #266 |
270. no answer to this one? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #270 |
280. Wow, that must mean that Gardsil is safe and effective and that Merck is ever |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #280 |
283. hahahahahaha! |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #283 |
285. I have a request. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #285 |
291. I don't actually give a damn |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #291 |
292. I started this discussion, I am well aware what it's about. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #292 |
295. Aww |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #285 |
301. I don't trust anything Chem/Pharm says. Iatrogenic deaths are extremely high in this country |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #301 |
307. Just curious: Are you against ALL drugs? Or just certain ones? |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #307 |
309. I am not against all drugs. What I'm against is an industry that has become a criminal |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #283 |
287. I never claimed Gardasil was "no good." I said there wasn't sufficient data |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #280 |
311. some people just don't want to know the truth....meaning iverglas |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #311 |
313. the truth is out there ... |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
296. Another for the long list of things we childfree never have to worry about. |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:14 PM Response to Reply #296 |
305. But we do have to worry about a nation of children who are being |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #305 |
306. no comedy, it's something I never have to worry about |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
312. does this vaccine target HPVs that cause other cancers eg mouth, larynx etc |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
314. Shouldn't boys take the vaccine, too, if they're also HPV carriers? nt |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #314 |
316. Merck is completing efficacy trials in Male adolescents NOW |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-07-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #316 |
317. Thanks for the info. The most bizarre aspect of the Texas decision was the genderization |
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