Plame investigation demands another look at "suicide".

[HCE SuiGeneris]

How did this get swept under the rug?

Lawyer falls to death at hotel
Seaside: Police suspect Paul Sanford committed suicide
By JULIA REYNOLDS
Herald Staff Writer

Almost immediately, he caused a stir after he joined the White House Press Corps in 2005, making waves as the first reporter to ask then-White House press secretary Scott McClellan whether the leaking of CIA agent Valerie Plame's name might be considered an act of treason.

"There has been a lot of speculation concerning the meaning of the underlying statute and the grand jury investigation concerning Mr. Rove," Sanford asked. "The question is, have the legal counsel to the White House or White House staff reviewed the statute in sufficient specificity to determine whether a violation of that statute would, in effect, constitute treason?"

McClellan was apparently flustered by the question and replied that "those are matters for those overseeing the investigation to decide."
http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/1...

Lawyer Ends Up Dead After Taking On Rove
http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=701

[HCE SuiGeneris]

1. 7 recs and no kicks -- I'll do it for my ex-pal in Santa Cruz

:pals:

[truedelphi]

4. Oh mi gawd I remember when that reporter asked the question

Till I know more I won't speculate - but those who know more Please tell!

[blm]

21. Fits the BFEE pattern. Look at reporters who crossed Poppy Bush in the 80s and 90s

The books on BushInc need to be opened.

[Usrename]

34. Nah, how could it be an assassination?

An excerpt from the declassified CIA manual “A STUDY OF ASSASSINATION”:
>
For secret assassination, either simple or chase, the contrived accident is the most effective technique. When successfully executed, it causes little excitement and is only casually investigated.
The most efficient accident, in simple assassination, is a fall of 75 feet or more onto a hard surface. Elevator shafts, stair wells, unscreened windows and bridges will serve. Bridge falls into water are not reliable. In simple cases a private meeting with the subject may be arranged at a properly-cased location. The act may be executed by sudden, vigorous of the ankles, tipping the subject over the edge. If the assassin immediately sets up an outcry, playing the "horrified wit ness", no alibi or surreptitious withdrawal is necessary. In chase cases it will usually be necessary to stun or drug the subject before dropping him. Care is required to insure that no wound or condition not attributable to the fall is discernible after death.
>
http://www.anusha.com/ciastudy.htm

[nolabels]

49. Before there was such intricate sharing of information on the blogs....

there were people keeping records This old one.........

(snip)
Along these lines, lets not forget that the NWO's handpicked, designated first emperor of the 4th Reich's forthcoming "American Union," George DUBYA Bush, has really kept up the family's deadly tradition as Texas governor--having signed nearly ONE HUNDRED EXECUTION WARRANTS since he became governor in the Lone Star State. Nice killing job, DUBYA!!

Dubya indicated in an interview with TALK Magazine that he thinks killing people is fun, wholesome and entertaining: as he imitated and mocked supposed pleas for mercy from one his his recent execution victims, Karla Faye Tucker. This guy should be a REAL pleasure to have as our President--oops; I mean EMPEROR.
(snip)
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:IQtZRLBh0Y8J:www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/bush_body_count.htm+bush+body+count&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a

From before * was fraudulently appointed makes me wonder how much we missed.

Here are a couple of peculiar ones to ad

Scientist found dead outside biochemical firm in Fremont
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=508396

State Dept. Worker Found Dead Outside Agency
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=207591

For many this all might be old news but maybe some have forgot or are new here, at any rate does anybody have a updated link or a new site where someone might find information on that old site named "bushbodycount" ?

[Usrename]

60. Yep and lets not forget Iraq and the fra... errrr suicides over there.

Military Ethicist's Suicide in Iraq Raises Questions


All Things Considered, November 28, 2005 · T. Christian Miller of the Los Angeles Times discusses the suicide of Col. Ted Westhusing, a military ethics scholar, in Iraq. Westhusing's suicide note lashed out at officers and expressed despair over allegations of corruption and human-rights abuses against the contractors he oversaw.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5029893

[Seen the light]

2. K & R

[lovuian]

3. What a waste of life when they got

brought in court

[HCE SuiGeneris]

5. Was a very sad event in my life... n/t

[Rex]

6. Far too many people have 'suicided' themselves for it to me mere

coincidence, not that I believe in such a thing. I think, one day, the BFEE will be held accountable for all the apparent 'suicides' that went on in their 8 year rule.

Something just tells me they will pay in a courtroom, one day.

[Ian David]

12. This is why you get nervous when Bush asks you, "How's your boy?"

"Be a shame if he got re-deployed somewhere dangerous. And tell 'im to watch his Tillman... I mean watch is six. Heh heh. Now, watch this drive."

[Rex]

13. Yeah, true it is like Death asking how well you feel that day.

Death - "You're looking kinda sickly today, why don't you just come over to my side? The grass tastes so much better over here, honest." "Just take my hand."

[Ian David]

22. See related thread: Hey "Doctor" Laura, How's your boy?

Hey "Doctor" Laura, How's your boy?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=16426&mesg_id=16426

[ncrainbowgrrl]

17. apparently, Webb's Son's tour just got extended, per MSNBC.

Bet that's not gonna go over well with the jr. senator from VA.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

19. just another coinky-dink...

:grr:

[Rex]

20. I'm sure it was not a political move in any way, shape or form.

From what I understand, NO one is allowed to ETS from the military! This is different from 'stop loss' in that once that condition goes away, you can leave the military. With the current rules in place, you have to stay in INDEFINITELY. I would figure this would be illegal, but evidently NOTHING is illegal if the BFEE does it!

:mad:

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. And I wouldn't be surprised if Webb's son

didn't survive this tour of duty. If you get my drift. I can see a friendly fire 'accident' happening.:( Would it surprise anyone here? Does anyone doubt this cabal is inacapable of doing something like that? I wonder if Webb has thought about this? If not, he should.

[Rex]

35. At one time I would argue with you over that, but not today.

Today we live in a country that such a thing can 'happen'. Makes me sick to my stomach.

[peacetalksforall]

24. Yeah, like get transferred to one of this admins' prisons on Diego

Garcia and get dropped off a cliff.

(There was a soldier guard at Guantanamo that disappeared.)

[Freddie Stubbs]

16. Reminds me of the accusation flying around 10 years ago:

http://www.etherzone.com/body.html

[Rex]

18. Not the same by a long shot.

Clinton didn't start a war for profit. And I've heard far wacker stuff about the Clinton Bodycount. Example - remember Vince Foster? Turns out he was a secret Israeli agent! :crazy:

Clinton's Closet seems more fairytale than the BFEEs. The BFEEs closet seems to be overfilled with bodies.

[Chemical Bill]

47. The thing that gets me about Vince Foster...

is that people assume that the President is in charge. After all the assassinations that we have been through in this country, from the Kennedys to MLK to the twice as many Democratic Senators than repugs who have died in plane crashes, why would anyone think that the President calls the shots (literally)? To me, it makes more sense to think that the PTB killed Foster as a warning to Clinton to toe the line.

Bill

[originalpckelly]

7. Oh my goodness! And if you really think about it...

falling is a way to produce a suicide scenario without all the forensic evidence of a "self-inflicted" gunshot, which is usually somehow flubbed to give investigators a clue it was not as "self-inflicted" as once thought.

This on the other hand, well, it's very striking. There may be security cameras in the building which could give a clue, as well as any visitor records.

[Time for change]

8. Yeah, I wouldn't put anything past these people

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5495235&mesg_id=5495235

[HCE SuiGeneris]

10. Thank you for that thread... and your time in assembling the data.

What a travesty. :cry:

[Time for change]

33. Well, I don't claim that it constitutes proof

But it certainly is damn suspicious.

And if you look at the replies, you'll see that some posters called to my attention chilling cases that I had missed or never even heard of.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

14. And that investigating BushCo is an

incredibly risky occupation. Jeebus H. Christo these stories are chilling.

[nolabels]

50. Thanks for that link

Also makes one really want to think about how (or why for some) such miraculous and timely death of Ken Lay happened with all the proceedings around his funeral and how all the civil actions against his estate were bulldozed aside after he was declared dead (probably in Paraguay)

I am no kind of buff on anything really but sometimes you really just have to sit back and wonder :shrug:

[Vincardog]

9. It’s fishy as hell.

Paul Sanford, a prominent Aptos, California, attorney, who accused Karl Rove of treason in the Plame outing case, took a leap from the Embassy Suites Hotel in Monterey Bay on Christmas Eve. Police describe it as “probable” suicide, even though it appears Sanford was not depressed.

“Friends and associates expressed disbelief at the news of Sanford’s death and that it was ruled a suicide,

[halobeam]

11. How much is going to come out at this trial?

I'll take anything, but I want so much more.

[flyarm]

36. Sanford's neighbor posted here shortly after his death..

and a du 'er here i know lives near where Sanford lived..and we have discussed this ad nauseam...

this one stinks to high heaven...

his neighbor said he and his wife had just done extensive remodeling of his home..

i'll seeif i can find the link...

fly

[flyarm]

37. this was discussed here quite a bit..here is one link...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2983854&mesg_id=2983854

[StrictlyRockers]

41. And here is another link. Let's keep discussing this possible murder, please.

Paul was one of us in spirit. Let's not forget him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2983854#2986594

SR

[lala_rawraw]

15. big arse kick!!!

[happydreams]

23. This reporter crossed the line...

with the fascisti. He ventured the thought in public that they may have committed treason.

This case needs to be reopened!

K&R

[troubleinwinter]

25. KICK THIS

[HCE SuiGeneris]

26. Thanks troubleinwinter.

:hi: Hope the later evening crowd gets a glimpse.

[troubleinwinter]

27. I partly kicked it for a DU pal who will surely wanna see this tonite! Thank YOU!

[fooj]

28. Thanks for the kick!

The wheels of justice they are a turnin'...

All of the locals KNOW that Paul didn't "jump" to his death. I'm glad to see this is being revisited.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

31. You are damned right fooj...

straight out of a frickin Le Carre novel. I know how tainted the official story is... and thanks for your support.

[Lena inRI]

30. Great post to keep us alerted. . .

to the ever-far-reaching-creepy-stranglehold of the BFEE.

You made me search for Paul Sanford's bio. . .have you seen his former website (2004) with photo?

http://members.cruzio.com/~paulsanford/index.html

So very, very tragic that this guy got nailed . . .we should honor him and his work with a persisting search for the answer. . .hope his family will find peace and the truth asap.

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

[Dinger]

32. It Won't Be The First MURDER They're Committed (nt)

[flyarm]

38. from santa cruz newspaper Sentinel

Free speech lawyer Paul Sanford dies in apparent suicide - By Matt King - Sentinel staff writer - December 28, 2006

Free speech and homeless advocate Paul Sanford plunges from building

Free speech lawyer Paul Sanford dies in apparent suicide
By Matt King
Sentinel staff writer

snip:
Paul Sanford, an attorney who made his mark on Santa Cruz with his defense of homeless and indigent residents and once asked the U.S. Supreme Court to strike the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance, died Sunday in an apparent suicide.

Seaside police believe that Sanford intentionally fell from at least nine stories into the courtyard of the Embassy Suites Hotel Monterey Bay about 9:20 a.m. Sunday, to the shock of hotel patrons who were eating breakfast in the hotel atrium.

snip:

According to media accounts, the disagreement between the men started after Sanford used a KOMY press credential to join the White House press corps and asked then-press secretary Scott McClellan if the administration's leak of Valerie Plame's identity was tantamount to treason. It's unclear what will happen with the case, which was set for trial in February.

"I know it was particularly troubling for him," Brennan said. "He felt he was treated very poorly and it was difficult for him to understand."

Still, his friends said they had no inkling Sanford was contemplating ending his life.

"There was nothing on the horizon that would warrant what happened," said Mills, who was Sanford's friend for 15 years. "There's nothing I can think about that would be so serious that this would be a solution. It's just so unbelievable."

Sanford's friends and colleagues remembered him as an attentive father and husband, a fun-loving practical joker and a passionate Boston Red Sox fan. In 1992, Sanford started a business called Annoyance Communications, which, for a $10 fee, sent out monthly reminders of the historic failures to fans of star-crossed sports franchises.


Contact Matt King at [e-mail].





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You can find this story online at:
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2006/December/28/local/stories/02local.htm

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[flyarm]

39. some background on Paul Sanford

PAUL SANFORD
B.A. 1979 Connecticut College, New London
J.D. 1983 Monterey College of Law
Private Practice, Aptos

http://www.montereylaw.edu/sub/index.jsp?contentid=IJMD...

Paul Sanford is a lawyer and senior citizens advocate from Aptos, California. Paul and Craig are both originally from Wellesley, Massachusetts, and have been friends since elementary school. Paul is one of the few runners who wasn't running at all when the phone call came, but he has been training aggressively and promises to be ready to go when the bell rings. Paul has run three marathons and will be 45 at the time of the relay.
http://www.runamerica.org/2002/team.htm

[flyarm]

42. from my files about Paul Sanford

Paul Sanford, first to ask McClellan about Plame/treason link, commits suicide
In what police describe as a "probable" suicide leap, a prominent Monterey Bay Area attorney fell at least nine floors to his death at the Embassy Suites Hotel Monterey Bay in Seaside the morning before Christmas.

(snip)

Almost immediately, he caused a stir after he joined the White House Press Corps in 2005, making waves as the first reporter to ask then-White House press secretary Scott McClellan whether the leaking of CIA agent Valerie Plame's name might be considered an act of treason.

"There has been a lot of speculation concerning the meaning of the underlying statute and the grand jury investigation concerning Mr. Rove," Sanford asked. "The question is, have the legal counsel to the White House or White House staff reviewed the statute in sufficient specificity to determine whether a violation of that statute would, in effect, constitute treason?"

McClellan was apparently flustered by the question and replied that "those are matters for those overseeing the investigation to decide."

The White House incident sparked controversy after Beltway bloggers incorrectly described Sanford as a reporter for the Air America radio network. At the time, he was associated with Watsonville radio station KOMY, an Air America affiliate, and Sanford told reporters he never claimed to work for Air America.

(more)

http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/1...


Recently bought a new house and opened a law office? From the article:

Friends and associates expressed disbelief at the news of Sanford's death and that it was ruled a suicide, saying Sanford seemed happy and had made many plans for this week and in coming months. Mills said he and Sanford recently decided to open a shared law office to serve Monterey and Santa Cruz counties, something Sanford was looking forward to doing.

very suspicious.


MORE:
"hotel housekeepers saw him pacing the hallway of upper floor.....

"Police said that before Sanford fell, hotel housekeepers saw him pacing the hallway of an upper floor. Cercone said Sanford's car was parked next to the hotel, and he was not checked in as a guest."

[StrictlyRockers]

40. Please keep following this story and dig for leads. Netroots investigation.

Play detective. I am. I'm from Santa Cruz. I care. This smells very, very bad. Paul had no reason to want to do this that I can tell. It sounds like he had a great life and every reason to want to live it.

I lived in Santa Cruz County for 27 years, almost my whole life. It pisses me off a lot when they fuck with my people. I am going to fight back.

SR

[fooj]

43. The legacy of Paul Sheldon Sanford

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3040743

[leftofthedial]

44. how many people commit "suicide" around these bastards

before someone notices?

[Divine Discontent]

46. how many total is that

I mean, you can just LOOK at them and feel the evil sometimes... eek.

[cascadiance]

45. Hmm... And David Kelly earlier "committed suicide" on this case!

This is starting to get more mysterious!

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/101403_kelly_1.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=THU20060917&articleId=3249

[halobeam]

48. Excellent thread touching on D. Kelly

esp. post #11....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=25350&mesg_id=25350

[DeeDeeNY]

51. Very strange story

I would assume that his family has asked for an investigation. A lot of the story seems troubling, especially this -- "Police said that before Sanford fell, hotel housekeepers saw him pacing the hallway of an upper floor. Cercone said Sanford's car was parked next to the hotel, and he was not checked in as a guest."

[StrictlyRockers]

52. Stinks to high heaven IMHO.

Someone carried out a "hit" on Paul by luring him to one of the few tall buildings in the area and pushing him out of a window on the top floor.

This is speculation at this point.

Why was he there? Who was he meeting? Why was he not checked in there? What explanations are likely causes for the paciing in a hallway on the floor?

Did he have any known enemies? Did he say anything to anyone that gives clues to his recent intentions in terms of ongoing investigations and lawsuits?

We know that he did not have financial troubles as he had just bought a second home. He had a happy family. He lived in an extrememly beautiful area.

What really happened to Paul? I want to know.

SR

[HCE SuiGeneris]

57. Exactly, who commits suicide by jumping at 9:00 AM into the

middle of a Sunday brunch at a beach hotel?

[Garbo 2004]

59. He didn't fall out of a window. Embassy Suites "hallways" surround a huge interior atrium.

Doors to rooms on one side of the hallway, open space overlooking the atrium on the other. Also open to view from the other hallways that surround the atrium. He fell from one of those hallways into the atrium.

http://embassysuites.hilton.com/en/es/hotels/photo_gallery.jhtml?ctyhocn=MRYESES&category=0&index=0&photo=1

[Little Star]

53. k&r

[Mrspeeker]

54. WOW

This country has such strong morals and what not I'm sure that none of our elected officials, elected by this total fair election system are bad or evil at all, they are just doing what is necessary to keep up the greatness, freedom and democracy of this republic, the military industrial complex, the World banks and the Corporations.

We need to have a total security and surveillance of every person in this country so that we can be freer than anyone else.

And if that doesn't work they might accidental commit suicide!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

55. Being from Aptos, had you heard this story before

Mrspeeker? I lived in Santa Cruz for 17 years, and most people I know there were unaware of Paul's death.

[Mrspeeker]

62. sry

My comments where sarcastic. the medias ability to funnel the story's it feels we should read or not read in this case is amazing and the puppets behind this are even more outrages. But yet the media will tell the story as if these ppl are gods and have never done anything at all wrong at the same time covering up the real news.

So of course the Suicide was not covered at all. It couldn't possible make it through the Media consolidation filter!

[derby378]

56. Who Killed Paul Sanford?

Damn, that should be a bumper sticker.

[me b zola]

58. k&r

[truedelphi]

61. Have I said tonight how much I hate these people?

Mike Malloy's ten words sum it up all too often

[bobthedrummer]

63. kick