Please tell me what the difference is in what the student at John Kerry's Town Hall did and what Sue Niederer did at Laura Bush's rally? I remember the outrage here on DU when that happened.. Sue lost her son and nothing could be worse than that. The student felt his political party lost an election that was stolen...IS THERE ANYTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN FAIR ELECTIONS (other than losing a child)??? That issue is important to HIM (and ME) and he deserved an answer also. The guy voted for Kerry and so did I and I grew to like the man..... It took a while, but I did.
Or what's the difference between Cindy Sheehan being removed from the People's House for wearing a T-shirt with the number of dead soldiers on it before a Bush speech? We all know what Cindy has been through. She has every right to question the psycho about his illegal invasion that killed her son, but so does the the FL. student have every right to ask JK why he never stood up and fought for the 2004 election AFTER he promised us he would.
What about the "Free Speech Zones" the psycho has set up when he's within miles of a certain area? There was much outrage here on DU when that crap started. All of these squelched FREE SPEECH. The circumstances were different, but the result was the same. The reasons for the protests were different, but the result the same....the people were all silenced or removed so they WOULDN'T be heard. Their tactics were different, but they all had a right to do what they did and were still silenced for it.
The student may have been rude, obnoxious, loud, and mouthy, but he's a college student...remember the Vietnam War? Remember the protests? Remember Kent State? Just because this happened at a JK Town Hall meeting we should not be defending the actions of those in power. The student should have had his question answered just as Sue Niederer should have had her son's death apologized for and Cindy Sheehan should have been recognized by the psycho when he gave that speech that night.... instead of being removed from the House gallery.
NONE of these police state actions are acceptable in this country. Not one and for anyone to think that people defending the student are "Kerry haters" is just ridiculous. As I stated earlier, I like John Kerry (grew to like him), but AM pissed as hell that he didn't keep his promise to his supporters to fight for every vote. He didn't and he needs to answer for it....and THAT is what the student was attempting to do...get answers. I bet John Edwards has a different take on the "we didn't have the evidence to do anything about it" excuse. How would he have any evidence if he didn't investigate the election fraud? The student had a legitimate question and should not have been dragged out by the police and never should he have been Tasered. We should NEVER defend the indefensible.
Remember the outrage?First Lady's Speech Interrupted By Dead Soldier's Mother
Woman Blames Bush For Son's Death
POSTED: 12:20 pm EDT September 16, 200HAMILTON, N.J. -- First lady Laura Bush made a campaign stop in New Jersey Thursday.
Sue Niederer, Dragged
The visit comes as her husband, President George W. Bush, gains strength against John Kerry in the Garden State.<snip>
<snip>
During Bush's salute to the men and women in Iraq,
Sue Sapir Niederer, of Hopewell, N.J., was pulled outside the firehouse after she staged a war protest. Sapir Niederer's son, Army 1st Lt. Seth Dvorin, 24, was killed in Iraq. He died in February while trying to disarm a bomb. Niederer was wearing a T-shirt with the words "President Bush You Killed My Son" (pictured, left).
As shouts of "Four More Years" subsided, Sapir Niederer, standing in the middle of the crowd of about 700, continued to shout about the killing of her son.
Secret Service and local police escorted her out of the event, handcuffed her and placed her in the back of a police van."Excuse me, what are you charging me with," Sapir Niederer repeated to officers as they arrested her.
Sapir Niederer was charged with defiant trespassing, even though she had a ticket to the rally.
As the first lady continued speaking, several people shouted back at Sapir Niederer. One woman yelled, "Your son chose to fight in that war."
Hamilton, a sprawling bedroom community of 90,000 near Trenton that is home to a large number of state employees, has traditionally been a swing community in local, state and national elections.<snip>
http://www.nbc10.com/politics/3735989/detail.htmlCindy Sheehan removed from THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE...
Remember the outrage?http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x284575Free Speech Zones...
Remember the outrage?http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1752639>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
THIS from a Democratic Vet:
February 02, 2004
Brett Bursey, in his own words
Brett Bursey, the man prosecuted by Snake-Handler Johnny and Spawn of Strom for a little constitutional free speech has a few words.
A Secret Service agent then told us we had to go to the free-speech zone. I offered to move again, and she said there was nowhere we could be but the free-speech zone. I told her that I was already in a free-speech zone — the United States of America — and she ordered a local cop to arrest me. The arresting officer told me the problem was the content of my sign.The content of his sign.
Our thin-skinned, chicken-livered low-life non-elected Preznit sure is a brave, brave man.I see the courage and valor of a hundred ... cowards in him. If there were ever a more chickenshit human being in the office of the president, I'm not sure who it was. History will remember this man, and it will not be kind.
http://www.usndemvet.com/blog/archives/001410.htmlRemember the outrage?<snip>
The Riots
Outside the official convention proceedings,
anti-war demonstrators clashed with 11,900 Chicago police, 7500 Army troops, 7500 Illinois National Guardsmen and 1000 Secret Service agents over 5 days.
The violence centered on two things: the Chicago police forcing protesters out of areas where they were not permitted to be; and protesters clashing with police, and their reinforcements, as they tried to march to the convention site.The violence began Sunday August 25th. Anti-war leaders had tried to get permits from the city to sleep in Lincoln park and to demonstrate outside of the convention site.
Those permit requests were denied, although the city did offer them a permit to protest miles away from the Amphitheater But the protesters were undeterred. When the park was officially closed, Chicago police bombed protesters with tear gas and moved in with billy-clubs to forcibly remove them from the park. Along with the many injuries to anti-war protesters,
17 reporters were attacked by police (including Hal Bruno, who was then a reporter for Newsweek and is now political director for ABC.) Throughout the convention, police would see the press as the enemy. Subsequent battles between police and protesters occurred nightly in Lincoln Park and Grant Park.
MY addition: Those were the days when we actually had a press who worked FOR THE PEOPLE, not the Government and corporations.:(
Also present that first night and throughout the convention were the famous Beat artists Allen Ginsberg and William Burroughs and French poet Jean Genet.
Most events and protests featured speeches from Tom Hayden, Rennie Davis, Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin.http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/conventions/chicago/facts/chicago68/index.shtml Remember the outrage?... Reverend Yearwood being attacked in the halls of Congress?
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Rev. Yearwood Attacked and Beat in Halls of Congress by Police
Source: Hip Hop Caucus and SpidelBlog
Capitol Hill Police ‘Football Tackled’ Hip Hop Activist Rev. Lennox Yearwood at Petreus Hearing
WASHINGTON - September 10 - Rev. Lennox Yearwood, Jr., president of the Hip Hop Caucus, was attacked by six capitol police today, when he was stopped from entering the Cannon Caucus Room on Capitol Hill, where General Petreaus gave testimony today to a joint hearing for the House Arms Services Committee and Foreign Relations Committee on the war in Iraq.
After waiting in line throughout the morning for the hearing that was scheduled to start at 12:30pm, Rev. Yearwood was stopped from entering the room, while others behind him were allowed to enter. He told the officers blocking his ability to enter the room, that he was waiting in line with everyone else and had the right to enter as well. When they threatened him with arrest he responded with “I will not be arrested today.” According to witnesses, six capitol police, without warning, “football tackled” him. He was carried off in a wheel chair by DC Fire and Emergency to George Washington Hospital.
Rev. Yearwood said as he was being released from the hospital to be taken to central booking, “The officers decided I was not going to get in Gen. Petreaus’ hearing when they saw my button, which says ‘I LOVE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ.’”
Capitol Police are not saying what the charges are, but an inside source has said that the charge is assaulting a police officer. Rev. Yearwood is scheduled to be transferred to Central Processing to be arraigned tomorrow morning.
Video seen here:
http://spidel.net/blog/2007/09/10/rev-yearwood-attacked... /
Read more:
http://spidel.net/blog/2007/09/10/rev-yearwood-attacked... /
I am told that they are going to charge him for attacking an officer. Please watch the video and judge for yourself. He is in the hospital recovering. I will post more as I find out more details
Follow the DU link and witness the outrage:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2985577Remember the outrage?This is What Democracy Looks LikeAugust 31, 2004
By Mark Drolette
<snip>
Folks who think for themselves pose the greatest danger to the Bushies, whose number one concern is control: control the image, message, and environment. The Bush White House is like a giant information transmogrification machine - something goes in, gets an extremist makeover, and emerges looking nothing like the original (sort of like Michael Jackson). Anyone deemed the least bit likely to upset the communication applecart is highly unwelcome. Just ask Richard Clarke, Paul O'Neill, or Joe Wilson.
This paranoia now even touches everyday citizens who attend personal appearances by Dick Cheney and the Bubble Bush, manifesting itself in the form of loyalty oaths people are required to sign before being allowed to enter such events.
That's right,
loyalty oaths. Steve Larese of the Boston Globe reports that on July 31 in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, "several people who showed up
complained about being asked to sign endorsement forms ." Larese also writes that 64-year-old Nick Lucy "was turned away from a May 7 rally in Dubuque, Iowa, at which President Bush spoke." Lucy "was denied access because he is not a registered Republican," and though no one requested he sign an oath, the police were summoned to remove him from the premises.
Republican National Committee spokesman Yier Shi, according to Larese, explains logically that "everyone is welcome at the rallies as long as they support President Bush." I guess you really couldn't get more American than that - that is, if you're talking about the old separate-but-equal parts of America where everybody was welcome to sit in the front of the bus or at the counter as long as they were white. <snip>
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/08/31_democracy.html
....just some food for thought.