5:20 ET is vote time!! Official thread # 5-Webb amend.- Senate Debate -cspan2

[rodeodance]

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Official thread # 4-Webb amendment- Senate Debate -cspan2
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1848068, Official thread # 4-Webb amendment- Senate Debate -cspan2
Posted by rodeodance on Wed Sep-19-07 02:30 PM


Official thread # 3-Webb amendment- Senate Debate -cspan2

Official thread # 2 Webb amendment- Senate Debate -cspan2
1st thread at: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1844926&mesg_id=1844926

Forum Name General Discussion

Topic subject Webb amendment just starting on cspan2 (McCain will counter)
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1844926#1844926
1844926, Webb amendment just starting on cspan2 (McCain will counter)
Posted by rodeodance on Wed Sep-19-07 10:22 AM

[halobeam]

1. rec!

[rodeodance]

7. Dorkin says congress HAS the constitutional AUTHORITY to act on this! -hear that McCain?

[redqueen]

2. K&R!

Let's see who REALLY supports the troops!

:bounce:

[rodeodance]

3. Dorkin is one of the last speakers.

[TwilightGardener]

11. Durbin?

[rodeodance]

14. yup, that guy

[w8liftinglady]

4. kicking-the kids are home-keep me posted

[ClayZ]

5. K and R

[atreides1]

6. Is there really any point in voting

We can pretty much guess that this bill will be dead before the evening news comes on, and we know that it will be the Republicans along with the assistance of Joementum, who will condemn the military to a living hell.

But, what do they care?

[rodeodance]

8. Secondary effect is get the REPUGS on RECORD!

[w8liftinglady]

10. hehe...you owe me a coke ;)

[rodeodance]

13. how do you figure that?

[w8liftinglady]

15. that's something we say here when 2 people say the same thing at the same time...

[w8liftinglady]

9. although it won't help now,having them on record against this may be beneficial in 2008

[rodeodance]

12. Warner changed his mind and already whimpy MOD. repugs will probably follow him

[rodeodance]

16. oh ok---I raise a Virtual glass to you.

[rodeodance]

17. OH HO The big guy HARRY is on the SCENE

[rodeodance]

19. saying 7 REpugs PREviously voted for this amendment and should again. We will see

[TwilightGardener]

18. Reid up--putting it in historical context--people will look back to see

what Congress did to preserve the military.

[rodeodance]

21. put some Zip into it Harry!!

[rodeodance]

22. kick it ---lets get some folks into this vote

[rodeodance]

24. k

[rodeodance]

26. k

[rodeodance]

27. k

[rodeodance]

28. kicky poooooo

[halobeam]

23. He needs to drink a Red Bull.

[sampsonblk]

20. Another just-for-show vote

There hasn't been a full effort to get this passed, just as with other votes since we've been in the majority. Looks to me like its just something else to use against the GOP in the 2008 elections.

If it passes, we'll take it, of course. Either way, anyone who votes against it will hear about it later. Much later.

I'd much rather see a full effort to get it passed.

[w8liftinglady]

25. I think Webb has put a lot of effort into it

[sampsonblk]

130. Yeah definitely Webb put out 100% effort

[TwilightGardener]

29. What have they not done to get it passed? This is the second go-round.

[rodeodance]

34. well, I imagine the Senate Whip has been 'whipping em" into shape??

[sampsonblk]

131. They didn't use the media attention they've been getting

All the Dem senators that have been on TV recently could have used their face time to try to gain public support for it, and could have at least tried to bring public pressure on Repubs to vote yes.

As it was, I didn't hear a peep about it in the major media.

[rodeodance]

30. I think they were good good till Warner dropped out yesterday

[TwilightGardener]

32. Yep--NYT said Warner backing out doomed it.

[sampsonblk]

132. That's the same old numbers game we've seen all year

Where is the effort to bring public pressure?

If this were a serious effort (other than a few key senators), you'd expect more public appearances and more events to try to bring attention to the issue and try to get the public on board.

[XOKCowboy]

33. It puts the heat on the Repugs. Gets them on the record as voting against the troops

Now we'll see how the Dems capitalize on the Repugs that vote against our troops.

[sampsonblk]

133. And if that's all it was about, it was a waste of my friggin time

I think Webb (and maybe a few others) was serious about it. But from the standpoint of the party, it was not a full team effort at all. Just like the votes last spring.

[rodeodance]

31. just a few minutes and it countdown time.

[w8liftinglady]

35. have they started yet?

[rodeodance]

41. right after WEBB---He gets the last word.

[rodeodance]

36. HA -Harry you got that right: THIS IS BUSH's WAR

[TwilightGardener]

37. It's also the Repub Senators' war.

[rodeodance]

38. WAR MAN McCain is up for 2 1/2 HALF MINUTES OF BS

[ClayZ]

40. McCain chews and eschews his "Choose to Loose" .....

[XOKCowboy]

42. He got in his talking points... Good little lap dog John

[TwilightGardener]

39. McCain--"Let us win". Sad that we're still talking about winning in this context.

Dishonest and cruel.

[rodeodance]

43. Note how he dissed Harry for saying War is Lost!!

[TwilightGardener]

44. Calling roll--

[rodeodance]

45. dang. they had plently of time to get to the floor. now they will do a Roll call to get on the fl

[Beaverhausen]

46. where are they all? Are they going to vote if there aren't enough?

[bvar22]

50. Evidently, more DUers care about our troops

than US Senators.
EVERY stinking Democratic Senator SHOULD have been there to STAND UP and shout out "AYE (I) Support the TROOPS!"

The appearance of UNITY will inspire Unity!

[w8liftinglady]

47. sigh-I guess I can just reproduce my ltte I wrote when it was shot down the first time

http://www.thedailylight.com/articles/2007/07/18/dailylight/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/letter3.txt
To the Editor,

Our Republican senators have yet again shown how they “support our troops.” Both Senator Cornyn and Senator Hutchison voted “no” to the Webb-Hagel Amendment today. For those of you who are unaware, this amendment would have assured that:

1. Units and individuals in the Armed Forces be certified as “fully mission capable” 15 days prior to deployment

2. Limits the length of overseas deployments of the Army, Marine Corps and National Guard

3. Establishes a minimum time between deployments for the Army, Marine Corps and National Guard

4. Provides additional appropriations totaling approximately $3.1 billion to reset Army National Guard and Reserve equipment and to address funding shortfalls for Army National Guard training, operations and maintenance


5. Requires the president to report to Congress on the comprehensive diplomatic, political and economic strategy of the U.S. regarding Iraq

Although some Republicans put partisanship aside in the best interest of our military, our senators did not, and the amendment failed 56-3-1.

The time for re-election is not that far away, and I intend to remind these elected officials who really supports the troops. We, as Americans, must hold our elected officials accountable for their actions. My son, and many like him, depend on us to do our civic duty by voting these hypocrites out of office, and putting someone in there who really will support our soldiers and Marines.

[iamthebandfanman]

48. they dont get this amendment

i say they vote no on the entire bill.

fuck the republicans, wanna play hard ball?

good, no funding.

[rodeodance]

49. k

[TwilightGardener]

51. Anyone keeping track? Heard Coleman aye, Gregg no. Corker no.

[rodeodance]

52. umm.. I am cornfused=are they doing the actual VOTE??

[rodeodance]

54. CRAIG NO

[TwilightGardener]

55. I don't know if it's cloture or actual.

[TwilightGardener]

53. Ben Nelson--aye, Sen. Widestance, no.

[TwilightGardener]

56. Sununu aye--Shaheen has him by the short hairs.

[jefferson_dem]

57. Sunununununununu aye...

Feelin' the heat in NH, eh?

[ralps]

63. Susan Collins vote Aye too! I guess she's feeling the heat of Tom Allen!

[TwilightGardener]

58. Collins aye, Alexander no.

[rodeodance]

59. Sununu AYE, Roberts, no, alexander no, Collins AYE whow ho Collins says AYE

[rodeodance]

SPECTER NO, Cornyn NO, LUGAR NO, whow I thought Lugar would do an AYE

[TwilightGardener]

60. Specter Brownback Burr Demint Cornyn Lugar--all no. Bastards.

[tekisui]

61. lugar and specter--no

[Blackhatjack]

62. Anyone keeping a tally?

[rodeodance]

72. sorry, I initally throught they were doing the Roll. Vonovich NO, Inohe NO

[TwilightGardener]

64. Smith aye, Hutchinson no.

[jefferson_dem]

65. Smith (OR) aye.

Another Repuke feelin' the heat.

[TwilightGardener]

66. Snowe--aye. Sounds like the same result as last time--3 or 4 short.

[rodeodance]

67. WARNER NO-SNOWE AYE

[tekisui]

68. ms. snowe--aye

[JackORoses]

69. dirtbag Warner, No

[Blackhatjack]

70. I'm not hearing any Repub crossovers except Snow....

[TwilightGardener]

74. Coleman, Snowe, Collins, Sununu, Smith, Hagel so far.

[rodeodance]

80. well, Lieberman vote will cancell one of those

[rodeodance]

86. CRAP. we got ONE less than last time (only 56 this time. Warner crossed over)

[jefferson_dem]

76. Dupe.

Nevermind.

[TwilightGardener]

71. Voinovich no, Inhofe no--useless pieces of shit.

[rodeodance]

79. LIEBERMAN NO

[Beaverhausen]

73. Do we have enough Ayes?

please please please

[TwilightGardener]

75. We do not--it will fail.

[Beaverhausen]

81. fuck. Well, for what it's worth, all the dems are voting for it, right?

[TwilightGardener]

100. yep.

[Blackhatjack]

Lieberman is useless

[ralps]

77. LIEberban No Of Course!! Grrrr

[iamthebandfanman]

78. Lieberman NO ----

GOD i hope we do everything in our power to kick him outa office next cycle

[TwilightGardener]

82. We've lost, but the big punch in the gut comes up next--McCain and Warner's

bogus "slap in the troops' face" resolution.

[tekisui]

83. yeas- 56 nos 44

[karlrschneider]

84. Failed again. Goddammit.

Those fucking assholes.
:grr: :mad:

[Beaverhausen]

85. Someone explain again why it needed 60

I know I should know, but thanks!

[TwilightGardener]

88. Needs a supermajority according to Senate rules.

McCain doing a triumphant lap.

[Beaverhausen]

90. Because it was an amendment?

[iamthebandfanman]

108. cant senate rules be changed? n/t

[librechik]

87. now can we just accept that the Pukkkes are pigs who rule us

whether we are "in power" or out?

And throw out the GOD DAMN BLUE DOGS

[Beaverhausen]

89. FUCK YOU MCCAIN!!!

[jefferson_dem]

94. Put all those "thank yous" back in your pocket you decrepit piece of shit!

:puke:

[TwilightGardener]

91. McCain grandstanding, offering bogus amendment that says hey, we

SHOULD have the Webb amendment, but we won't require it.

[TwilightGardener]

93. McCain sucking up to Warner for trashing it for Webb.

[iamthebandfanman]

92. i now HATE mccain

he starts off saying WE ALL HAVE THE WELL BEING OF THE ARMED FORCES IN MIND!

YEAH U WOULDA VOTED YEA ON THAT LAST ONE IF U GUYS A FLYING FUCK ABOUT THEM!
what a fucking lying dousch fucking bag.

i wish he could go back and time and talk to his old self so his old self could beat the teeth outa him again.


what a fucking asshole hypocrit

[TwilightGardener]

95. Webb--won't vote for McCain's proposal--calls it gobbledegook.

[trashcanistanista]

102. and he is correct on that.

Hope it fails.

[rodeodance]

96. gobbly glob says WEBB on next amendment!! HA HA (said he will OPPOSE IT)

[rodeodance]

99. said they need 60 for this one also. I can not hear anything.

[TwilightGardener]

97. Dems better not vote for this nonsense. I am so pissed.

[rodeodance]

104. is this another roll? I can not hear any responses. Can you?

[TwilightGardener]

105. yes--still the roll.

[trashcanistanista]

107. I think it's a voice vote on

the McCain ammendment

[TwilightGardener]

110. Oh. Thanks!

[TwilightGardener]

112. Nope it was the roll.

[trashcanistanista]

114. yes, you were right.

thank you.

[pwb]

98. Google "ace mccain" it says a lot about him.

[Beaverhausen]

101. Can someone explain what this McCain amendment would do?

thanks!

[TwilightGardener]

103. It would state that Webb had a pretty good idea, but we must ignore it.

[pwb]

106. I think it requires our troops in Iraq until all Iraqis speak English?

:banghead:

[w8liftinglady]

109. I hope you point out their hypocrisy_ have my letter written

Our Republican senators have yet again shown how they “support our troops.” Both Senator Cornyn and Senator Hutchison voted “no” to the Webb-Hagel Amendment today. For those of you who are unaware, this amendment would have assured that:

1. Units and individuals in the Armed Forces be certified as “fully mission capable” 15 days prior to deployment


2. Limits the length of overseas deployments of the Army, Marine Corps and National Guard

3. Establishes a minimum time between deployments for the Army, Marine Corps and National Guard

4. Provides additional appropriations totaling approximately $3.1 billion to reset Army National Guard and Reserve equipment and to address funding shortfalls for Army National Guard training, operations and maintenance
5. Requires the president to report to Congress on the comprehensive diplomatic, political and economic strategy of the U.S. regarding Iraq

Although some Republicans put partisanship aside in the best interest of our military, our senators did not, and the amendment failed 56-44.
This is the second time our Senate has tried to get this amendment passed.I find it particularly disturbing that John Cornyn serves on the Senate Armed Services committee,and,according to his resume,has been instrumental in Mental health care and Traumatic Brain injury aid for our active duty and retired troops.Failure to pass this amendment will perpetuate these problems,and shows how important it is for these senators to follow party line,rather than support our troops
.There is an election coming up in 2008.Who are you going to vote for?

[TwilightGardener]

111. Oh, this one might pass!

[TwilightGardener]

113. Reid, no, Baucus no, Dorgan no--will be a party line vote, except for Hagel.

[rodeodance]

115. no new thread. lets run this one out.

[TwilightGardener]

116. Nope--if the Dems hold the line, McCain's bullshit amendment will fail.

[trashcanistanista]

117. Yes, they are holding plus

they have Hagel!

[TwilightGardener]

119. Landrieu voted aye!!! Bitch!

[rodeodance]

120. my toeseys are crossed

[iamthebandfanman]

118. Does Lieberman EVER vote WITH democrats?

[trashcanistanista]

121. Ammendment failed!

:bounce:

[TwilightGardener]

122. Failed 55-40-something, but SOME traitorous Dems voted for it. Hagel did not.

[rodeodance]

123. thanks Hagel. Now to find out who the Dems were!!

[trashcanistanista]

125. What just happened?

With Durbin and Cornryn?

[rodeodance]

124. 5 Senators LEFT THE floor . as they had 100 on prior vote!

[TwilightGardener]

126. Oh my God--it's a Petraeus amendment!!! You are not going to believe

this bullshit! It talks about his class rank and all of his achievements! Holy fuck, how stupid.

[trashcanistanista]

127. Was that what Durbin was objecting to?

[trashcanistanista]

128. Is it an ammendment about the moveon ad???

OMG is right! They have got to be fucking kidding!

[TwilightGardener]

129. Yes. Sickening.