lie-berman/kyl "authorization" for war on Iran passed

[ProudDad]

Source: Thom Hartmann Program - U.S. Senate Site

Here is the list of traitors to the People of the Earth:

YEAs ---76
Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Martinez (R-FL)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)


And the Patriots who resisted this latest fascist attack:

NAYs ---22
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Feingold (D-WI)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)


Not Voting - 2
McCain (R-AZ)
Obama (D-IL)

Read more: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00349#position

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Remember the names of the traitors voting "yea". They're robbing you of your rights and treasure...

[Warren Stupidity]

1. Isn't that a good thing?

After all perhaps Dear Leader will rid the world of the evil Ahmadinejad. Isn't that what we all want?

[ProudDad]

12. Good One!

:rofl:

[fasttense]

2. Here are the remaining sane people in the Senate.

Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Feingold (D-WI)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)

[ccpup]

3. if this vote is so damned important

where in the hell was Obama?!?!

[no_hypocrisy]

4. You could have found him sitting on the fence.

He knew the significance of this vote . . . .

[ccpup]

6. is it just me

or does he seem to be out-of-town for the tough votes?

[AndyA]

22. Yes, I've noticed that as well.

Or he is one of the very last to vote, when his vote won't matter anyway.

These are not traits I look for in a leader. Leaders lead, they don't follow or fail to show.

He could very well have a legitimate reason why he wasn't there to vote, but this seems to be one that most should be in attendance for.

Johnson in South Dakota hasn't been much help since he returned, either.

And, of course, the regulars...Landrieu...she really should just change parties, she sure doesn't vote like a Dem. :thumbsdown:

[movonne]

5. Well see where hillary is...I am beginning to like dodd a lot....

[regnaD kciN]

69. I really hope Hillary doesn't get the nomination...

...because, if she does, I'll have to leave DU until 11/08, at the risk of being tombstoned -- because I simply cannot support her for President, even if she's the nominee.

[FREEWILL56]

7. Very interesting as for Pa..

It seems Casey (D), who replaced Santorum (R) has not only voted for the continued spying on us, but he also favors war with Iran. He has not acted like a democrat at all since being put into his senate position and if we survive long enough he will not be getting any future votes from me. Is this a new trend that the democratic candidates put on this little act of being the farthest thing from a republicon and against the war etc. etc. and when they get there it's like having republicons in that position?

[T Wolf]

10. Didn't vote for him the first time and will not again. Not really any better

(or worse) than Santorum.

And much less entertaining.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

8. What a pleasant surprise! (for us Minnesotans, at least)

Amy Klobuchar DIDN'T vote with the Republicans for a change.

I wonder if she's been getting a lot of flak during her personal appearances back here.

Normie Coleman, on the other hand, continued to be his slimey self.

[eyepaddle]

42. I was wondering the same thing about Klobuchar....

I'd like to say I can hardly wait until we give Norm the ol' heave-ho, but if our next Dem senator falls into line on votes like this, I wonder what the point would be....

[goclark]

9. I will not speak ill of any Democrat, I will not ~~~~~~~~ `

:puke:

[Klaxon]

21. Its ok *hands goclark a towel*

Thinking of changing your Avatar to someone with a little more spine?

:D

[goclark]

80. Yes, I might change to Al Gore

If I could only get him to run. :)

[Roland99]

11. What was the text of the bill?

[ProudDad]

14. Here it is -- the part about Iran

It's embedded in another HUGE war, rape and pillage bill that the Empire passes every year to support the bloated military:

Lots of quotes from Gen. betrayus and ambassador crockofshit...

==============

SEC. 1535. SENSE OF SENATE ON IRAN.

(a) Findings.--The Senate makes the following findings:

(1) General David Petraeus, commander of the Multi-National Force Iraq, stated in testimony before a joint session of the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives on September 10, 2007, that ``t is increasingly apparent to both coalition and Iraqi leaders that Iran, through the use of the Iranian Republican Guard Corps Qods Force, seeks to turn the Shi'a militia extremists into a Hezbollah-like force to serve its interests and fight a proxy war against the Iraqi state and coalition forces in Iraq''.

(2) Ambassador Ryan Crocker, United States Ambassador to Iraq, stated in testimony before a joint session of the Committee on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives on September 10, 2007, that ``Iran plays a harmful role in Iraq. While claiming to support Iraq in its transition, Iran has actively undermined it by providing lethal capabilities to the enemies of the Iraqi state''.

(3) The most recent National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, published in August 2007, states that ``Iran has been intensifying aspects of its lethal support for select groups of Iraqi Shia militants, particularly the JAM , since at least the beginning of 2006. Explosively formed penetrator (EFP) attacks have risen dramatically''.

(4) The Report of the Independent Commission on the Security Forces of Iraq, released on September 6, 2007, states that ``he Commission concludes that the evidence of Iran's increasing activism in the southeastern part of the country, including Basra and Diyala provinces, is compelling ..... It is an accepted fact that most of the sophisticated weapons being used to `defeat' our armor protection comes across the border from Iran with relative impunity''.

(5) General (Ret.) James Jones, chairman of the Independent Commission on the Security Forces of Iraq, stated in testimony before the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate on September 6, 2007, that ``e judge that the goings-on across the Iranian border in particular are of extreme severity and have the potential of at least delaying our efforts inside the country. Many of the arms and weapons that kill and maim our soldiers are coming from across the Iranian border''.

(6) General Petraeus said of Iranian support for extremist activity in Iraq on April 26, 2007, that ``e know that it goes as high as Suleimani, who is the head of the Qods Force ..... We believe that he works directly for the supreme leader of the country''.

(7) Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, the president of Iran, stated on August 28, 2007, with respect to the United States presence in Iraq, that ``he political power of the occupiers is collapsing rapidly. Soon we will see a huge power vacuum in the region. Of course we are prepared to fill the gap''.

(8) Ambassador Crocker testified to Congress, with respect to President Ahmedinejad's statement, on September 11, 2007, that ``he Iranian involvement in Iraq--its support for extremist militias, training, connections to Lebanese Hezbollah, provision of munitions that are used against our force as well as the Iraqis--are all, in my view, a pretty clear demonstration that Ahmedinejad means what he says, and is already trying to implement it to the best of his ability''.

(9) General Petraeus stated on September 12, 2007, with respect to evidence of the complicity of Iran in the murder of members of the Armed Forces of the United States in Iraq, that ``e evidence is very, very clear. We captured it when we captured Qais Khazali, the Lebanese Hezbollah deputy commander, and others, and it's in black and white ..... We interrogated these individuals. We have on tape ..... Qais Khazali himself. When asked, could you have done what you have done without Iranian support, he literally throws up his hands and laughs and says, of course not ..... So they told us about the amounts of money that they have received. They told us about the training that they received. They told us about the ammunition and sophisticated weaponry and all of that that they received''.

(10) General Petraeus further stated on September 14, 2007, that ``hat we have got is evidence. This is not intelligence. This is evidence, off computers that we captured, documents and so forth ..... In one case, a 22-page document that lays out the planning, reconnaissance, rehearsal, conduct, and aftermath of the operation conducted that resulted in the death of five of our soldiers in Karbala back in January''.

(11) The Department of Defense report to Congress entitled ``Measuring Stability and Security in Iraq'' and released on September 18, 2007, consistent with section 9010 of Public Law 109-289, states that ``here has been no decrease in Iranian training and funding of illegal Shi'a militias in Iraq that attack Iraqi and Coalition forces and civilians ..... Tehran's support for these groups is one of the greatest impediments to progress on reconciliation''.

(12) The Department of Defense report further states, with respect to Iranian support for Shi'a extremist groups in Iraq, that ``ost of the explosives and ammunition used by these groups are provided by the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force ..... For the period of June through the end of August, events are projected to rise by 39 percent over the period of March through May''.

(13) Since May 2007, Ambassador Crocker has held three rounds of talks in Baghdad on Iraq security with representatives of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

(14) Ambassador Crocker testified before Congress on September 10, 2007, with respect to these talks, stating that ``I laid out the concerns we had over Iranian activity that was damaging to Iraq's security, but found no readiness on Iranians' side at all to engage seriously on these issues. The impression I came with after a couple rounds is that the Iranians were interested simply in the appearance of discussions, of being seen to be at the table with the U.S. as an arbiter of Iraq's present and future, rather than actually doing serious business ..... Right now, I haven't seen any sign of earnest or seriousness on the Iranian side''.

(15) Ambassador Crocker testified before Congress on September 11, 2007, stating that ``e have seen nothing on the ground that would suggest that the Iranians are altering what they're doing in support of extremist elements that are going after our forces as well as the Iraqis''.

(b) Sense of Senate.--It is the sense of the Senate--

(1) that the manner in which the United States transitions and structures its military presence in Iraq will have critical long-term consequences for the future of the Persian Gulf and the Middle East, in particular with regard to the capability of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran to pose a threat to the security of the region, the prospects for democracy for the people of the region, and the health of the global economy;

(2) that it is a vital national interest of the United States to prevent the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran from turning Shi'a militia extremists in Iraq into a Hezbollah-like force that could serve its interests inside Iraq, including by overwhelming, subverting, or co-opting institutions of the legitimate Government of Iraq;

(3) that it should be the policy of the United States to combat, contain, and roll back the violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, its foreign facilitators such as Lebanese Hezbollah, and its indigenous Iraqi proxies;

(4) to support the prudent and calibrated use of all instruments of United States national power in Iraq, including diplomatic, economic, intelligence, and military instruments, in support of the policy described in



paragraph (3) with respect to the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies;

(5) that the United States should designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps as a foreign terrorist organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act and place the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists, as established under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and initiated under Executive Order 13224; and

(6) that the Department of the Treasury should act with all possible expediency to complete the listing of those entities targeted under United Nations Security Council Resolutions 1737 and 1747 adopted unanimously on December 23, 2006 and March 24, 2007, respectively.

[Zhade]

26. So the Congress endorsed Petraeus' lies and states its intent to NEVER LEAVE IRAQ.

"and the health of the global economy" = control of the OIL.

These bastards will never receive my support in any way. Don't like it? Fuck you. I don't care anymore. This is systemic murder of an entire country, and i will not be a willing party to it!

[Roland99]

44. The Dems in the Senate bought Ambassador Crockofshit's bullshit?!?!??!

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Justitia]

64. Aw shit, it's 'mobile weapons labs', 'mushroom clouds' & 'anthrax vials' all over again! -eom

[goodgd_yall]

75. You are posting the old version--Go here for the amended version that was voted on

http://irannuclearwatch.blogspot.com/2007/09/revised-lieberman-kyl-amendment.html

[goodgd_yall]

74. This is the old text---This is NOT what was voted on. n/t

[Klaxon]

13. those swine...

Friggen War Pigs..

So can we now all vote for the sanest candidate for president.. Dennis Kucinich!?

The only way I am not voting for him is if I am vaporized in an atomic blast before I can.

[ProudDad]

15. I'm voting for him twice

Once in the primary and again in the General Election...

[Klaxon]

19. Yup

:toast:

There is NO other choice...

How can anyone of conscience vote for any of these other thwaping windsocks, who represent more of the same??

Make your vote count TWICE!

Vote for Dennis!

[MisterP]

37. "thwapping windsocks"! wonderful! Though I prefer the term

"curate's eggs"

[salib]

16. Hear Hear.

[FREEWILL56]

66. I'm in total agreement

as DK is the only one being consistant on these and other matters imho. I'm actually shocked at how right leaning many dems are and of course just as shocked at Hilary Republicon Clinton. Bush is going to get his wish at starting Armageddon after all with so many fools amongst us. Amazing what power, greed, and disillusionment can achieve.

[superkia]

79. They would shit themselves if Kucinich ran away in the primaries!

[EFerrari]

17. Fuck these people.

[Megahurtz]

18. Fuck You Feinstein!

Fuck You and the War Profiteering horse you rode in on! Feinstein's husband Richard C. Blum's owns two major defense contractors who were awarded billions of dollars for military construction projects approved by Feinstein.

http://www.metroactive.com/feinstein/

>>>"As chairperson and ranking member of the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee (MILCON) from 2001 through the end of 2005, Feinstein supervised the appropriation of billions of dollars a year for specific military construction projects. Two defense contractors whose interests were largely controlled by her husband, financier Richard C. Blum, benefited from decisions made by Feinstein as leader of this powerful subcommittee."<<<

I hope you choke on your Blood Money! :mad:

[Klaxon]

20. Imagine..

If San Francisco voted for Jello Biafra instead of her for Mayor...

[pink-o]

39. I was here then and I did!

...But seriously, by hindsight Di Fi got her start cuz of our own little mini-911. She was head of the Board of Supes when Mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk were killed and became mayor cuz she was next in line. Everyone rallied behind her like they did with Bush--thinking she was gonna heal us. By the time most of us--and especially the gay community realised her betrayal, she was already on her way to a higher political career. She was horrible during the AIDS crisis, but that was overshadowed by her hosting the Demoractic National Convention in 84 and getting noticed by the outside world.

And as was said, her husband is a huge defence contractor. At one time she had some good votes did her assault weapon ban, but now her true colours have fully emerged. She's a DINO for sure!

[Megahurtz]

40. Hell Yeah.

I wish! Things would have been much different.

[ProudDad]

48. Imagine if Mosconi hadn't been shot... (n/t)

[MurrayDelph]

31. Well, we have four years to find a Democratic alternative to her.

My Letter to Feinstein follows:


Last week I wrote to you asking you to explain your vote against the First Amendment, when you played into the Republican's hands by voting against Moveon.org, despite the fact that there was nothing in their ad that was either incorrect, or offensive to anyone who had actually read it. You did not respond; which I suppose is better than the usual "making decisions is hard" letter I have received in the past.

I am writing today to ask for an explanation of your vote for Joe Lieberman's "Let's go to war with Iran!" amendment. Given the history of the current administration, you have just given him authorization to turn the Middle East conflict into World War III.

Admittedly, Mr. Ahmadinejad is an unpleasant person. But, so is the person at the top of America's executive branch. The louder we rattle our sabres against Iran, the more they feel they need someone as crazy as "our guy" at the top. Please, stop enabling both of them.

I look forward to your response. Failing a cogent response, I will be looking at who the Democrats can replace you in five years. Assuming we are all still here.

[aggiesal]

81. Amen! n/t

[Sufficient Voice]

23. Okay will any who still does PLEASE stop supporting CLINTON!

[HughBeaumont]

24. Sherrod Brown - Thank you.

Voinovich, you're NEXT.

[pattmarty]

25. NOTICE: Clinton voted YES and Obama DIDN'T VOTE, how convenient

[Zodiak]

27. how typical, actually n/t

[kysrsoze]

29. Fuck them both. Is this all the Dems can muster? I really despise about 75% of our government.

[ProudDad]

49. The vote was NOT SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE

You want to blame someone, blame that DINO harry reid...

"Obama is in New Hampshire trying to become our next President. Majority Leader Reid said last night that there would be no vote on this amendment in the near future, so Senator Obama had no reason to expect that this vote would be happening today. The announcement that the amendment would come up for a vote today didn't happen until 12:30pm. What was Senator Obama supposed to do, hop on a private jet and fly straight back to the Capitol? It's not like his vote would've changed the outcome."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[AZ Criminal JD]

65. How many times is that excuse going to be used? n/t

[regnaD kciN]

68. Which excuses Obama (absent), but not Clinton (voting in favor)...!!!

Seriously, it only proves Hillary learned nothing from her part in the Iraq War Resolution debacle. :grr:

As our War President failed to put it, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

:argh:

[suston96]

28. Sense of the Senate?

And that means what? "To express the sense of the Senate regarding Iran."?

Anyone know what that means?

[grasswire]

34. it means cover -- a blank check.

They can claim senate approval for their murderous actions.

[cosmicdot]

45. they're writing lines for the Daily Show

according to the "C-SPAN Congressional Glossary" is legislative language which offers the opinion of the Senate, but does not make law

my interpretation: they're helping pave the road to Iran for Bu$h, as well as, living up to a Do-Nothing Congress.

It's the sense of the Senate "regarding the need for the United States to address global climate" http://preview.tinyurl.com/yvzlce. That 2005 one failed btw by 4 votes. Had these Democrats and Indpendent voted YEA, the outcome would have been different: Conrad (D-ND), Dayton (D-MN), Dorgan (D-ND), Jeffords (I-VT) ... Coleman (MN) opted not have any sense in the matter.

How about this one from this past July? It's the "sense of the Senate that it is in the national security interest of the United States that Iraq not become a failed state and a safe haven for terrorists" http://preview.tinyurl.com/2xo7ez. There, we said it. Passed overwhelmly to stay the course.

Just for the record, I sensed I was for it before I sensed I was against it. I didn't sense it would actually lead to Bu$h bombing.

Now, can we have a common sense vote???

[ProudDad]

50. Beating the drums for war against Iran

That's what it means... :nuke:

[oNobodyo]

30. Actually...

The danger was in the way it had been written previously being interpretted by the administration as a go ahead to bomb Iran.

"it should be the policy of the United States to <u>combat</u>, contain, and roll back the violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, its foreign facilitators such as Lebanese Hezbollah, and its indigenous Iraqi proxies."

"to support the prudent and calibrated <u>use of all instruments</a> of United States national power in Iraq, including diplomatic, economic, <u>intelligence, and military instruments</u>"

By an overwhelming margin the above underlined things were rejected by congress...Bush just got a big "eff you" right in his face and everyones tweaking out?

He was just told that he can't use the military or intelligence in a combat role against Iran...GET IT?

[knight_of_the_star]

33. How does it say that?

"to support the prudent and calibrated <u>use of all instruments</a> of United States national power in Iraq, including diplomatic, economic, <u>intelligence, and military instruments</u>"

That does NOT say he can't use intelligence and military assets, they just have to be in a "prudent and calibrated" fashion and unfortunately that's open to interpretation.

[ProudDad]

51. And "prudent and calibrated" are concepts

one couldn't apply to cheney/bush...

And the damn dems know that!

[truedelphi]

36. If what you are saying is true Barbara Boxer would have voted for it

SInce she didn't, I can only say that Sorry, but you are wrong.

[Megahurtz]

55. That's for sure. n/t

[eyepaddle]

47. I wish I could believe that, but it still

names the IRG as a terrorist organization, as far as Bush is concerned he has already been authorized to do whatever the fuck he wants WRT terrorists.

Keep your eyes peeled for a lot of cross border skirmishes.

[jayfish]

53. Yeah, Just Like The IWR Was Just A Means To Put Pressure...

on Iraq to open up to weapons inspections. :eyes:

Jay

[knight_of_the_star]

32. So we know where our presidential candidates stand

On a VERY important vote Clinton shows her true colours and has permanently lost my vote. Before this I was willing to hold my nose in the general, now she can go take a long jog off a very short pier for all I care she is NEVER getting my vote for any office in this country if I have anything to say about it.

Obama also showed himself to be somewhat of a coward, not even being in town to vote on this seems like his campaign is more important than doing his damn job he has right now, especially on something this damn important.

Biden and Dodd both voted against, sounds like they have good heads on their shoulders there, and thankfully most of our new Dem senators from '06 voted the right way, looking at Webb, Tester, McCaskill. Shame on Casey and Whitehouse, especially Whitehouse I would have expected better of him.

So I'm curious to all the Clintonistas, how do you justify this latest demonstration of a total LACK of leadership?

[saracat]

35. I just started a thread asking that question.Crickets... except for those that do NOT support her!

[aquart]

38. Obama missing in action again?

[ProudDad]

52. He got snookered -- check upthread (n/t)

[madrchsod]

41. guess i`ll have to email durbin and ask him

why in the hell he voted on this....jesus just when i thought he was against war he votes for it...obama is the smart one,he`s not that stupid to vote on this bullshit.to bad the democrats did`t show some courage and refuse to vote...

why is everyone so fucking afraid of bush? for god`s sake no one in the world can stand this guy and the democrats treat him as a god...it`s down right sick

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

43. HEY USA - - -

KISS YOUR ASS GOODBYE

:nuke:'s

[suston96]

46. Sense of the Senate....what does it mean?

From C-SPAN Congressional Glossary

Term Definition Used In
SENSE OF THE SENATE
SENSE OF THE SENATE is legislative language which offers the opinion of the Senate, but does not make law.

"Does not make law"? So what's the problem?

Here is another discussion on this on DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1912471

[ProudDad]

54. It greases the skids

under the war juggernaut...

It gives cheney/bush cover...

It furthers the propaganda directed at the public...

It's just bad SHIT...



It also assumes that this Senate has "Sense"... Not a safe assumption...

[ProudDad]

56. Gee, we're still waiting for the hillbots' latest rationalization (n/t)

[truedelphi]

59. Well the way Rubert Murdoch explained the bill to her

Her vote for it was going to ensure that poverty level children would all have health care!

It was FOR THE CHILDREN!!

[ProudDad]

63. Riiiiiiggggghhhhhttttt....

It was the village doing it for the children...

:eyes: :crazy:

[OneBlueSky]

57. I contacted both of my senators about this, and they both ignored me . . .

neither Sen. Clinton nor Sen. Schumer will ever get my vote again . . . for any office . . . period . . .

[laylah]

58. My head SO hurts..

did I really see Durbin? DURBIN?????????????

[TheWraith]

60. For the umpteenth time, folks, this DOES NOT authorize in any way a war with Iran.

It's a glorified PR statement blaming the Iranians for the situation in Iraq.

[laylah]

61. Okay, please help me understand this...

the vote is blaming Iran for conditions in Iraq? Is that what I am understanding you to say?

[ProudDad]

62. That's part of it!

Beating the drums for war on Iran...

They're moving the propaganda...

[FREEWILL56]

67. So what does it mean?

That we'll bake them a cake after inviting them for dinner?

[high density]

72. Have you forgotten how we got into Iraq already??? NM

[high density]

70. Why was this moved from LBN??

I know it's not a news article, but it's certainly more newsworthy than Vick BULLSHIT!@!!

[truedelphi]

77. The impending end of the world makes some mods nervous

Better to do somethin' than nothin' at all (Even if somethin' is just moving stuff around)

[FREEWILL56]

82. It also stops you from seeing that you've got a reply it seems.

That also keeps it from growing and getting more attention. Unfortunately, people do need to see this as it is not just republicons screwing everybody over for oil. That vote proves it. I guess they aren't having as much luck getting Iraq's oil so they'll go for Iran. Why don't they just do what they really want to do all at once and invade all major oil producing nations so they can have a monopoly on it?

[ecstatic]

71. OK. EVERYTHING has changed. How could Clinton do ths... again?! and Obama a no show

on the most important vote facing not just the US but the world?! Fck this. Everyone has their limits. This is mine. This is so not fair that war is continuing to go on in my name.

[FREEWILL56]

83. Many people think they are getting Bill when seeing Hilary,

but that is not the case it would seem and I guess I can see why Bill went elsewhere on her as they don't see eye to eye on everything. Don't get me wrong as I am in no way condoning Bill straying.

[amandabeech]

73. Lugar is very experienced in foreign relations. As far as I know, he

usually gets lots of respect, even from dems.

I find it interesting that he voted against this.

Does he know something that we don't?

[Danger Mouse]

76. i can't believe it. i can't fucking believe they did this.

god bless webb for trying to fight it.
to hell with the rest of them. clinton, you hakwish SHIT, you will not get my vote on a cold day in hell now.

[truedelphi]

78. Husband just got in from work. Told him about the vote. He wearily replied:

"Well it just shows you that there is a fix in with the voting machinery.

They can pander to the Corporate Oligarchs running everything because we the voters no longer matter."