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fedupfisherman Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:43 PM
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Good for Pelosi!
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/14/us.turkey/

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Sunday that she intends to move ahead with a vote on a resolution that labels the deaths of more than a million Armenians during World War I as genocide........................


:applause:
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:45 PM
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1. I hope she sticks to her word.
I like her but I have been dissapointed before.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:45 PM
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2. Yeah. Good for her. Whoop-de-do.
It's about time we told the Ottoman empire what we think! Nancy doesn't mess around. I hear she's already writing into her will a provision asking her great grandchildren to consider impeaching Bush.

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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:14 PM
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14. Maybe by the time her great grandchildren are old enough...
we'll have enough votes in Congress to impeach.

But, not now.

So sad, I want it bad, but I can also face the facts.


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nightrider767 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:38 PM
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22. TOO FUNNY!
You soo nailed! I almost blew my beer through my nose. Those dang Ottomans, you HAVE to watch them every minute!

Thanks!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:21 AM
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29. No it's her great great grandchildren
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 12:21 AM by proud2Blib
Get your generations straight, okay? :)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:48 PM
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3. Of course that's what she was elected to do
send a stern message to the Ottoman Empire
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:56 PM
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4. No doubt she'll condemn the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand later in the week
Granted, the Armenian genocide should be called what it is, but I agree that it's not quite the cutting-edge of political relevance.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:57 PM
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5. It may be for the Turks who are now shelling the Iraqi border.
:(
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:44 PM
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24. You're right, of course
I should have stipulated that, until last week's vote, it wasn't the cutting-edge of political relevance.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:47 PM
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25. I agree with you, though. Maybe soon Nancy will announce
the sad sinking of the Titanic. :)

More seriously, Tom Lantos manages to be wrong even when he's right. That must be really hard to pull off. Things aren't tense enough -- let's piss of the Turks, too.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:23 AM
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30. I heard she is going to lay a wreath at The Alamo too
but I think she is just pandering to the anti-Mexican voters.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:29 AM
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33. LOL
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:57 PM
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6. No shit!.......Have we entered some kind of time warp?
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 09:58 PM by Webster Green
Pelosi is full of shit!

I was excited when the dems won big in 2006, but I'm over it now. We have gained nothing.

She is fucking clueless!
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fedupfisherman Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:58 PM
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7. She's doing this to turn Turkey against Bush
Then the Turks will not allow US supplies through Turkish airspace and Turkey will attack the Kurdish region of Iraq, destabilizing it and making Bush look bad.

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Dave From Canada Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:47 PM
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26. That's great, destabilize the region to make Bush look bad,
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:25 AM
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31. And the republicans (who control the talking points) will place the blame
right at Nancy's feet. And the American public will blame her too.

Yep, smart move, Nancy.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:22 PM
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17. This gives me great hope that she will also call out the odious Hapsburg dynasty! (nt)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:29 PM
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18. you know I really think the Irish should be given priority here
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:58 PM
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8. Wow!!! WW 1!!! By 2065 we'll be getting to Vietnam!!!
:wtf: The entire Congress is as guilty as the Administration!!!

We're Dyin' here!!!

Goddamnit!!!

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:01 PM
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11. The Hmong are waiting also Nancy
please?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:59 PM
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9. Yes this is the single most important issue 'on the table'.
Isn't that grand?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:59 PM
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10. Yes pissing off Turkey over something that happened almost 100 years ago
is a great move!! :sarcasm:
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fedupfisherman Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:02 PM
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12. Crippling the war in Iraq
It's gotta be about turning Turkey against Bush and his illegal war
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:05 PM
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13. Thank goodness there are other people here who see that this is a stupid
piece of legislation offered at a time when there are so many important things in this counrty that need attention. What the hell does it matter now? Will this bring back anyone? Will this legislation change anything? Will it save any lives? What the fuck? We have things going on right NOW that need attending. Because if we don't, no one may be around to remember the Turks and the Armenians.

And why kick up such a fuss over it now? What with the Turkish Government threatening to go into Kurdish-controlled Iraq to stop the raids over their borders, there's a little problem we can work on right now. And then we can pick another time to piss off what has been a strong NATO ally in the area.

Oh what the fuck, who cares anyway? bush** and cheney taking the country down a path of rags and ruin (except of those they call their 'constituency'), all the death and destruction from wars of major catastrophes, treason in every level of this administration, the threat of a war with Iran that hangs over our heads every damn day, the two wars we got now that will never end if the people in Washington get their way. What the fuck, let's piss off another country, shall we?
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:14 PM
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15. I hope she knows something no one else seems to know.
Otherwise she is clearly an idiot. If Turkey does attack the Kurds after this vote, the Dems will be blamed for losing Iraq. It doesn't matter that it was probably going to happen anyway and was clearly Bush's fault. It will instantly become the Dems' fault.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:22 PM
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16. it is truly beyond comprehension why they
have time for such crap but not for impeachment.....I cannot fathom ANY upside of pushing this--and yes, there may be serious repercussions.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:31 PM
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19. So can we expect her to be for ending the Iraq occupation sometime around 2080?
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Cleetus Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:33 PM
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20. Just fucking fabulous.
How many Americans have died, and will die, in the time it takes her to get this done? And not just Americans either, innocent Iraqis continue to pay the price with their lives.

First, cut off funding. Then impeach him.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:34 PM
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21. Nancy Pelosi is showing the kind of relevance
I expect from a republican.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:39 PM
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23. This concerns me as I think it will seriously harm our efforts to bring our
Iraqi invasion to an end. We NEED Turkey right now, and in addition to that, this will turn yet ANOTHER ally against us.

It accomplishes NOTHING.

We're fucked no matter how the vote goes. I'm furious it got this far.

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Dave From Canada Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:50 PM
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27. I've changed my mind on this issue. At first I applauded the Dems, however, now that I've found out
this type of action has already been taken several times over the last few decades, it seems like overkill, and just a lousy attempt to embarass Turkey.
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:51 PM
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28. Turkey
What is the big damn fuss? Why doesn't the Turkish leadership have the decency to say, "Yeah, that was a bad time for our country. We're sorry that it happened." Hmmm? Why?

There are Armenians still living who would like to see this terrible action of their times condemned by America as it has been in other countries.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:29 AM
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32. And there are American soldiers dying in Iraq every day
We need Turkey as an ally so we can end the damn war and bring our troops home. Pissing the Turks off right now is pretty stupid.
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:38 AM
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34. Again
Again, why would the Turks be pissed off? They STILL don't think what happened all those years ago was wrong? Someone should sit down with them and explain that no one is blaming THEM for what happened all that long ago. The action by a leader in Turkey at that time is being condemned, as it should be.

Maybe if Turkey hadn't been our 'close' ally we wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

Cozying up to those in Turkey who think genocide is okay is not the American way. I say the Turks should either apologize (as the US has done with the dirty deed done to Japanese citizens during WWII) or shut up.
It isn't Pelosi who is wrong here. It's the Turks who are defending that genocide oh so long ago.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:51 AM
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38. We have no control over Turkey so we can't tell them what to do
Pelosi, however, works for us.
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Dave From Canada Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:56 PM
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39. Why continue the Bush legacy of isolating allies? It's ridiculous. Like the Middle East isn't
messed up enough, Pelosi has to pick now as a time to introduce this resolution. Which has already been done in the past. And why Turkey? There's plenty of other countries in the world that have committed atrocities, that have never been apologized for. Is she gonna pass resolutions condemning them as well? And what would be the point? How about instead, working on the things the Democratic Party was elected to accomplish? Gee, what a concept.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:51 AM
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37. I have to disagree...first of all it is WAY overdue..secondly..
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 11:52 AM by truebrit71
...it is a backdoor way to make life very, VERY difficult for the Windshield Caowboy and his gang of war criminals...

I doubt that was the thought process when initially deciding to bring it to the floor, but quite by accident they have made life uncomfortable for the * Junta...
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:40 AM
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35. somebody really need to have a priority adjustment.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:49 AM
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36. this is a dangerous action by Pelosi
she could likely prevail in a high-profile foreign policy battle with Bush.

It must be spun somehow as *****BAD******
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